Will UAW Strike?

[Milo]

One problem with unions is it seems the leaders always are generating animosity between workers and management simply because if management and workers worked well together there'd be no need for the union or union leaders.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Amen. It's dicey when you make such wild demands in an industry where they can just move your job elsewhere. Or automate it. Pretty bold.

Some industries have seen massive pay raises... we saw 80% raises last year. Can't be outsourced. Can't be automated. And there aren't enough of us to do the labor as it is.

 

[Milo]

Amen. It's dicey when you make such wild demands in an industry where they can just move your job elsewhere. Or automate it. Pretty bold.

Yep that's the leverage used by the UMW. Only suddenly there became competition from less expensive natural gas from (non-union) fracking so coal fired power plants converted.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Amen. It's dicey when you make such wild demands in an industry where they can just move your job elsewhere. Or automate it. Pretty bold.

Some industries have seen massive pay raises... we saw 80% raises last year. Can't be outsourced. Can't be automated. And there aren't enough of us to do the labor as it is.

What trade are you in?

 

[5030]

Less than a week to go now. Automakers all have at least an 85 day supply of vehicles on hand presently. Probably last longer than 85 days considering the inflated costs. The average Joe has been priced right of the new car market and interestingly, so has the autoworkers themselves.

 

[ultrarunner]

The day in 1914 when Ford shocked the business world paying $5 a day enabling many to buy the cars they were building…

100 days labor for a new base Model T…

Of course I don’t think taxes were much of an issue in 1914.

Another way to look at it is 800 hours bought the car and $5 a day quashed the union at the time…

The Five Dollar Day

My first W2 job paid $8 a day and then 12 and stayed around $16 through High School

 

[5030]

The issue with most UAW rank and file is, most all of them live well beyond their means and when the union strikes and their 500 a week strike pay kicks in, it will be a 'Heartache Tonight' for them and pretty quick like I might add.

I sometimes wonder how large the UAW 'piggy bank' bank is. I have to surmise not enough to be on strike for a protracted amount of time, plus they loose their health and welfare as well.

Like I said, gonna be an interesting week. I would imagine that some will get other jobs but not very many jobs come with the wages and benefits they now enjoy for doing as little as possible and being rewarded for it.

Also interesting that the main stream media is ignoring it. Guess, putting your head in the sand will make it all better.

I'll comment again on Friday after they strike.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

What trade are you in?

Airline pilot

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

Airline pilot

The usaf was talking single pilots for tankers. Iirc airlines were as well

I'm sure eventually they'll have their way and that'll be 50% reduction in pilots.

I mean, if a single pilot can fly an f-22, then why does a 737 need 2......

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Airline pilot

10-4 sounds like the field to be in, especially for a young person looking for a career with a good future, 80% raise in one year is unheard of, congratulations.

 

[Torvy]

I mean, if a single pilot can fly an f-22, then why does a 737 need 2......

There are more reasons, but the easiest one to point out is liability. A 737 contains 1 to, what, 200 passengers? If bad things happen on that flight, there's an army of injury lawyers looking for new yachts. If an F22 goes down, it's just the pilot, except in rare cases where he couldn't avoid a populated area.

 

[MossRoad]

First they came for the pin boys....

 

[ruffdog]

First they came for the pin boys....

My dad set pins when he was young. Just think if technology never moved past those days.

 

[MossRoad]

My dad set pins when he was young. Just think if technology never moved past those days.

So did my father in-law.... 10 cents a game.

 

[bigtiller]

As a kid, I played 3 games in rented shoes for a dollar. The eats/drinks were to expensive there.

 

[MossRoad]

As a kid, I played 3 games in rented shoes for a dollar. The eats/drinks were to expensive there.

My wife was on bowling teams since she was a kid. I never bowled until we started dating. We joined a few leagues for quite a while. So did several of our friends. It's pretty fun. I was even league secretary for several years at my last employer. We had 12 teams.

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

There are more reasons, but the easiest one to point out is liability. A 737 contains 1 to, what, 200 passengers? If bad things happen on that flight, there's an army of injury lawyers looking for new yachts. If an F22 goes down, it's just the pilot, except in rare cases where he couldn't avoid a populated area.

I'm sure they can expense the people and their lawyers to bolster the short term gains.

Remember, if it makes sense. It ain't right

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

The usaf was talking single pilots for tankers. Iirc airlines were as well

I'm sure eventually they'll have their way and that'll be 50% reduction in pilots.

I mean, if a single pilot can fly an f-22, then why does a 737 need 2......

They will automate at least one seat in the next 20 years. Maybe both moving forward… the public will also have to be comfortable knowing the AI at the helm, has no skin in the game. Also, based on our current NAV and avionics glitches in each new software load… a pilot will need to be there to fill the gap for some time. We are still in the very beginning stages of ATC being able to actually send route information and changes, directly to the aircraft… they have even trying to implement it for years, and the FAA has gotten almost nowhere.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

There are more reasons, but the easiest one to point out is liability. A 737 contains 1 to, what, 200 passengers? If bad things happen on that flight, there's an army of injury lawyers looking for new yachts. If an F22 goes down, it's just the pilot, except in rare cases where he couldn't avoid a populated area.

Also, in an airliner, in civil airspace… if one pilot is working the problem, the other pilot is flying, talking to ATC, diverting etc… no one gets to eject

 

[Torvy]

… no one gets to eject

Hahaha...probably not funny, but struck me as funny.

Imagine all of those plane crash movies, but the pilots eject and the passengers go down with the plane...or all of the seats eject.