Want to buy a dump trailer, kinda torn here.

[Gord Baker]

I have a bumper pull because I don’t have any vehicles with a GN but it’s riding close to 1k on the hitch empty. Add any load and you’ll really be feeling the sag with a 2500. My trailer is 14’ foot and it’s about the minimum length for putting a skid steer in. I also have a 20’ equipment trailer and it’s leaps and bounds better for putting equipment on.

Check your Weights carefully. GVW , Towing weight as per card on truck doorpost. Best to rent one if you can or you will be doing all your buddies trailering. Thats what happens!!!

 

[Noelie84]

Why I bought a 12ft bumper pull.

• Vehicle tow capacity minus weight of trailer = legal/safe load you can put into the trailer.
• I can fill a 12-foot trailer with more material then I could have a 14ft trailer because of the added weight of the 14ft trailer. This is the safety aspect of my reasoning.
• I do not have a GN. I do now but I have not installed it and I already purchased the 80”x12ft bumper pull.

Towing capacity 2011 Tundra 10,000LB

3570LB 83” x 12’ 12,000 capacity, available capacity minus trailer weight 8,430 (approximately 3 yrds of material)

4200LB 83” x 14’ 14,000 capacity, available capacity minus trailer weight 9,800, But vehicle capacity minus trailer weight = 5800lb available capacity.

Comparison BigTex 12XL and 14XL-14.

A similar reason to why I bought my 12 footer. It was an extra 500lbs of capacity. The other reason was maneuverability. A lot of where I'm working is fairly tight, and 20 feet of truck plus 18 or 20 feet of trailer (with the tongue) was a real pain. The 12 footer (16 with the tongue) makes it that little bit easier.

 

[can do]

Wanting to buy a dump trailer, I’ve wanted one for a while as it would be handy. My buddies and I could have used one many times for various things. I’m also humoring some sort of side hustle if I get one. I have a newer 3/4 ton Silverado gas truck with the 6.0 and 4:10’s out back. If I buy one I’m just going to go for one in the 14k trim.

I see a lot of guys pulling these things and nine times out of ten they’re a bumper pull. Toss a skid steer in one and unless you’ve got a one ton Dually I see a lot of these trucks with the front end reaching for the moon. Obviously they cold have loaded it a little tongue heavy ect.

I don’t have a skid steer but that’s another purchase down the road. That said I do have a 20 foot bumper pull electric tilt speedloader in 10k trim so that’s probably more ideal for hauling/loading/unloading a skid steer.

What I’m torn on is if I should go 12 or 14 foot. Should I go for the gooseneck? I’ve never pulled a gooseneck before, I get the obvious pros and cons to one. With my truck now it’s rated for 14k which I think is a stretch for it being a gas truck. Just seems if you loaded a 14k dump trailer to the max with a bumper pull that might get sketchy especially with such a short trailer.

Price wise I’m another 675$ to go gooseneck, drop in the bucket compared to the price of the trailer already. If a guy could have both bumper pull and a gooseneck that would be great but that’s not a option for now. I should also add I don’t have a gooseneck hitch in my truck so I’ll be out another 600$ or so for that.

Just need some guidance thanks in advance!

I myself never thought about a dump trailer. I came across a good deal on a 1999 Chevrolet 3500 1ton dually with a very nice Heil dump bed, That I use on my property for gravel, top soil, fill dirt & to hall away yard debris . I have a 2003 Silverado 1/2 ton that I use to pull my travel trailer & a 18 foot car trailer I also had 2 boats that i was not using since I acquired the travel trailer & the 1 boat was free a 1977 the other a 87 & they needed some work to get them running again , Long story short I traded the 2 boats & gave him a couple grand for the dump truck & the mileage was at 52,000 & at the time it didn't need hardly anything done to it & I have had it for 5 years now & over that time I've put a grand into it normal wear & tear items & I still get offers for way more than what I've paid for it.1 other thing I like about having a small dump truck I can pull either one of my tractors with it & still be able to haul a load in the dump bed. & I'm not saying this is the way to go , But for me it was Because I didn't have the space for another trailer & I got rid of stuff I wasn't using & it was cheaper for me than buying a new dump trailer. 1 other thing check into insurance rates, If I had the choice I would go the same way the truck has a 5.7 Vortec (350) with a 4 speed auto. trans.

 

[macklong]

Bdog is right on with the 14' dump trailer. The GN is the best way to go if you have the bucks to buy the hitch. I have a HD 2500 Ram 5.9 and no GN as the wife wants her shell on the bed to haul crap in so i put Air Bags on the rear and it works fine for me. I have a 22' equipment trailer i haul my JCB backhoe on and i just make sure i load most of the weight on the trailer axles not on the truck. I highly recommend a Diamond C trailer, they have the Paten on the design GN part and i think it's much stronger then the industry I beam that is being used.

 

[ScottK]

With a bumper pull, you can always add a weight distribution hitch if the payload gets too high.

 

[Hay Dude]

Good info thank you, I’m for sure gonna stick with the gooseneck.

Not sure if anyone mentioned yet, but a gooseneck puts more weight on the front axle than a bumper pull, because the down pressure point on a GN is 4’ further forward on the truck than a BP. This means the back axle and to a lesser degree, the front axle share the pin weight.
On a bumper pull, the rear axle bears all the weight and furthermore, lifts the front axle off the pavement, creating a lighter steering feel.

Gooseneck all the way every day except for a low GVW or short trailer.

 

[dboreham]

Interesting thread. I'll add my datapoint:

I have a 6x10 7K bumper pull scissor dump trailer that I haul with a 1 ton. I use it to transport gravel and rock as well as random other things such as skid steer attachments and construction waste. It is useless for hauling equipment but for that I'd use an equipment trailer. I realize there is a tendency to want the biggest trailer you can tow, but note also that larger trailers weigh more, which needs to be subtracted from the max GVW. Also more "beefy" trailers weigh more. Finally I have heard from the gravel pit guys that it is very common for homeowners to pick up gravel in trailers then find the hoist can not lift the load at the other end. My 6x10 has the same hoist setup as the manufacturer's 14k models and will dump without breaking a sweat when loaded to the door with rock.

 

[4570Man]

Interesting thread. I'll add my datapoint:

I have a 6x10 7K bumper pull scissor dump trailer that I haul with a 1 ton. I use it to transport gravel and rock as well as random other things such as skid steer attachments and construction waste. It is useless for hauling equipment but for that I'd use an equipment trailer. I realize there is a tendency to want the biggest trailer you can tow, but note also that larger trailers weigh more, which needs to be subtracted from the max GVW. Also more "beefy" trailers weigh more. Finally I have heard from the gravel pit guys that it is very common for homeowners to pick up gravel in trailers then find the hoist can not lift the load at the other end. My 6x10 has the same hoist setup as the manufacturer's 14k models and will dump without breaking a sweat when loaded to the door with rock.

I’d rather my trailer have a little Honda on the front. The electric is slower than molasses and isn’t overly powerful. I’ve never had a load my trailer wouldn’t dump but I’ve never even came close to its payload either. I pretty much just use mine for trash and even shingles is barley half the load rating. On the other hand filling up a dump trailer box with dirt or gravel is usually going to result in way overloading them.

 

[Hay Dude]

I think a telly hoist would make everyone a more happy owner in that respect. Most of your bigger/heavier dumps have a telescopic hoist, as did my dump.

 

[4570Man]

I think a telly hoist would make everyone a more happy owner in that respect. Most of your bigger/heavier dumps have a telescopic hoist, as did my dump.

I think the main dump trailer problem is a lack of power in the pump and not so much a design flaw of the hoist. That or they’ve undersized the cylinder to make it dump faster with the pitiful flow.

 

[Hay Dude]

I think the main dump trailer problem is a lack of power in the pump and not so much a design flaw of the hoist. That or they’ve undersized the cylinder to make it dump faster with the pitiful flow.

I watched the tele hoist dump trailer in action and though it was like child’s play lifting a heavy load, bit yeah-not super fast. Man I could cycle my IH dump tele hoist in seconds even fully loaded. I also thought where it’s positioned is more effective at the front of the bed rather than the scissor in the middle

 

[rickdh]

I have a 2020 Iron Bull 7’x14’ 14k dump trailer, number pull. Since I also have a 5’x10’ 10k dump trailer and a flatbed, I move them around often so I prefer a bumper pull. I haul with an F350 with a 460 so weight is not an issue. My favorite is the 7x14 by far, perfect size, I can haul my 40 hp new holland in it pretty easy.

 

[rickdh]

I think the main dump trailer problem is a lack of power in the pump and not so much a design flaw of the hoist. That or they’ve undersized the cylinder to make it dump faster with the pitiful flow.

My first dump trailer was a 16 ft with 2-30k rams but would only raise to a 30 deg tilt. They had not refigured the rams for the extra length so I had to have it re-engineered. The 2 that I have now are sizzor lift and I like them much better.

 

[4570Man]

I watched the tele hoist dump trailer in action and though it was like child’s play lifting a heavy load, bit yeah-not super fast. Man I could cycle my IH dump tele hoist in seconds even fully loaded. I also thought where it’s positioned is more effective at the front of the bed rather than the scissor in the middle

Yea both my dump trucks go up fast. The dump trailer takes a couple minutes to make the cycle. I’d way rather have a little Honda up there instead of the electric pump. My 6500 truck will stall the engine it idle so it must have a pretty good size pump.

 

[LD1]

With a bumper pull you can also use it with your tractor , I plumbed mine with couplers so I can hook into the tractors hydraulics. it dumps considerably faster on the tractors hydraulics than electric pump. I have an H&H 16' and it's fairly easy to overload with soil, shorter would have been fine, buy the 16' was cheaper at the time.

Same reason I went bumper pull.

I can drag trailer to woods with tractor and drop it. Open doors, load logs....leave doors open.....drive home and dump without ever getting off the seat. ANd about 3x's faster than the battery. And never have to worry about battery being dead.

Alot of people Pushing gooseneck. I have the 7x12 12k dump, bumper pull, a 25' 24k GN, and a 12k 22' BP at my disposal.

The bumper pulls will go ALOT of places the GN simply wont. Narrow back roads, driveways need about a 35' approach to make the swing with a GN. Bumper pulls follow the truck path ALOT better. Dont have to worry as much about the trailer cutting a driveway short and crushing someones culvert or gashing trailer tires if its a galvanized culvert.

Dont know if GN dump trailers being shorter overall if there is as much difference as there is with longer equipment trailers? But I deliver quite a bit of firewood on the above dump trailer. And I have been in a few drives that it was tight even being a BP. If I had a GN.....not sure I would have made it.

 

[Hay Dude]

You can easily pull a GN behind a tractor

 

[electrycmonk]

Wanting to buy a dump trailer, I’ve wanted one for a while as it would be handy. My buddies and I could have used one many times for various things. I’m also humoring some sort of side hustle if I get one. I have a newer 3/4 ton Silverado gas truck with the 6.0 and 4:10’s out back. If I buy one I’m just going to go for one in the 14k trim.

I see a lot of guys pulling these things and nine times out of ten they’re a bumper pull. Toss a skid steer in one and unless you’ve got a one ton Dually I see a lot of these trucks with the front end reaching for the moon. Obviously they cold have loaded it a little tongue heavy ect.

I don’t have a skid steer but that’s another purchase down the road. That said I do have a 20 foot bumper pull electric tilt speedloader in 10k trim so that’s probably more ideal for hauling/loading/unloading a skid steer.

What I’m torn on is if I should go 12 or 14 foot. Should I go for the gooseneck? I’ve never pulled a gooseneck before, I get the obvious pros and cons to one. With my truck now it’s rated for 14k which I think is a stretch for it being a gas truck. Just seems if you loaded a 14k dump trailer to the max with a bumper pull that might get sketchy especially with such a short trailer.

Price wise I’m another 675$ to go gooseneck, drop in the bucket compared to the price of the trailer already. If a guy could have both bumper pull and a gooseneck that would be great but that’s not a option for now. I should also add I don’t have a gooseneck hitch in my truck so I’ll be out another 600$ or so for that.

Just need some guidance thanks in advance!

Well, it’s the weekend. I fully admit not reading the whole 14 pages....

I have a curiosity here.
Why are you going brand new trailer?
Have you decided to go GN yet, or are you still on the fence?

I used to be an OTR driver trainer, 5th & GN are so much easier on my brain and anxiety. I have seen too many BP fiascos.

And are you also looking at brand new skid steer as well?

 

[BBHomestead]

Wanting to buy a dump trailer, I’ve wanted one for a while as it would be handy. My buddies and I could have used one many times for various things. I’m also humoring some sort of side hustle if I get one. I have a newer 3/4 ton Silverado gas truck with the 6.0 and 4:10’s out back. If I buy one I’m just going to go for one in the 14k trim.

I see a lot of guys pulling these things and nine times out of ten they’re a bumper pull. Toss a skid steer in one and unless you’ve got a one ton Dually I see a lot of these trucks with the front end reaching for the moon. Obviously they cold have loaded it a little tongue heavy ect.

I don’t have a skid steer but that’s another purchase down the road. That said I do have a 20 foot bumper pull electric tilt speedloader in 10k trim so that’s probably more ideal for hauling/loading/unloading a skid steer.

What I’m torn on is if I should go 12 or 14 foot. Should I go for the gooseneck? I’ve never pulled a gooseneck before, I get the obvious pros and cons to one. With my truck now it’s rated for 14k which I think is a stretch for it being a gas truck. Just seems if you loaded a 14k dump trailer to the max with a bumper pull that might get sketchy especially with such a short trailer.

Price wise I’m another 675$ to go gooseneck, drop in the bucket compared to the price of the trailer already. If a guy could have both bumper pull and a gooseneck that would be great but that’s not a option for now. I should also add I don’t have a gooseneck hitch in my truck so I’ll be out another 600$ or so for that.

Just need some guidance thanks in advance!

I would go with gooseneck and a 20ft dump that has 2ft sides like 7ftx20ft with 3 7k axles! If you go higher than 2ft sides do you have a loader that can reach and dump over 4ft into center of the trailer? With 3 axles the weight is spread out more front to back less goes onto the truck but enough to not be tail heavy! If you plan to get a skid steer and pull it in dump trailer you will probably be looking for a 1 ton soon afterwards! Plus difference between 14k and 21k is not much empty so it will be how you load it! I pulled a 20ft 21k bumper behind my 3/4 ton truck it was fine just have to drive with it in mind! Now have 1ton and gooseneck dump trailer that is 8ftx22ft with 4ft sides and 26k ! Look at the empty weight of those 14ft 14k trailers and see how much dirt or rocks that actually is! On my old 21k it can have about 15k loaded into it because it weights 6k empty if the 14k trailer weights 4 to 5k that's only 10k of dirt! So for every 2 trips in one its 3 in the other! Thats at 5mpg so all the extra trips add up fast!
Hope this helps good luck in deciding! J

 

[Hay Dude]

Lota of guys don’t like triple 7’s because the front axle takes a beating in tight turns, but I would own one. The problem is, his setup doesn’t have the GCWR to utilize the 21k load capacity of a triple 7.

 

[Hay Dude]

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if he overloaded it once in a while, the axles, tires and hoist can handle it. The floor is extra tough for dropping rocks into.