Vietnamese rebuild owners

[YanmarFever]

I kinda agree with you on this tractorlet.
People buying a tractor should do their homework first
We cant be the yanmar police for everyone.
As PT. Barnum would say,theres a sucker born every minute.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Inspector507]

I didn't think he's slamming Yanmars..........if you look at his signature post.........it IS a Yanmar. He was just wanting to hear from someone who has bought a Vietnamese "remanufactured" unit to see what kind of quality they feel they got in their purchase.

Jerry

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Hello, This is Leon.

If you're the STINKER & the JACKER(who bad mouth about other people), and you're going read this post. I recommend you should drink a full glass of ice water, if not, you might get a heat stroke and that's not good.

For those of you who bad mouth and JACK A$$ about Vietnamese reconditioned tractors. I think it is reallllly wrong, and you guys shouldn't kept discussing about it. You guys should have it as a fair competition. You guys just run your own business, and let others run theirs. In business, if a person who misrepresents things, soon or later he/she will be really dead, and I know that person isn't me. Oh one thing I should tell you guys, I'm a busy man, my time is very valuable, my time is money, not for sratching other's people A$$. I just don't have time for the STINKER and the JACKER. If the STINKER and the JACKER wanted me to prove somethings, I'll do it unless the STINKER and the JACKER show me his/her documents from UNCLE SAM. PEACE & WISHING YOU ALL HAVE THE BEST TRACTOR SEASON!

 

[garytucker]

sorry if I misunderstood the thread...it is just frustrating that people have given yanmar a bad name...like I said...my little tractor is a gem...all it needs is a new seat! I am just tired of going into a "tractor" store and getting looked at like the devil! Again, I apologize for misunderstanding.

 

[normde2001]

No problem, Gary, we all make mistakes, Right Leon?

 

[Soundguy]

Boy.. Leon is upset... he's the one (IMHO) that needs the glass of water.... Last I checked this is a free country... if we want to discuss a topic we can... if he does produce high quality tractors, then our discussion won't hurt his business. and vice versa.

Soundguy

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Why is it that instead of putting information on the net regarding the quality of their rebuilds, Leon of ViNA tractor just calls people names. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Competition is about providing a good product/service at a reasonable price and standing behind the product. If the vietnamese can rebuild something with cheap labor and have a good quality product then people will flock to these units. If they do it with poor quality, then only the un-informed will buy and eventually these units will be required to be labelled where they were rebuilt.

If you do quality work, stand behind it, and don't call people names--it only proves the point of poor quality and attitude.

 

[tractorlet]

Leon, don't waste your time responding. Forget this place. It's
value is in the quality answers that can be obtained here and not the demands for dialogue some people make.

cfoxmd:
You say, "Leon of ViNA tractor just calls people names." Who has been attacked on this thread? Stinker and Jacka$$? How about ALL who sell Vietnamese "stop over" tractors! (I am not involved in any way with Vietnamese tractors.)

Next to nothing has been said factually about Vina quality one way or the other. Most are unverified testimonials about some dealers somewhere with some real bad Vietnamese tractors.
Nothing more. Can you say what you want in the USA? Mostly.
But that can be abused easily.

And all we need is another government reg so the poor uninformed can be sure where reman was done. Sure, right!

You conclude with, "If you do quality work, stand behind it, and don't call people names--it only proves the point of poor quality and attitude." This is a real winner. Does this mean that if you have a good product, you should undergo a TBN
inquisition (Webster 3b) and not defend against their name calling? And finally the nexus of refusing to submit and defending as proving poor quality and attitude is a leap into outer space. Enough.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

We've seen one report of 3 tractors DOA at the dealer, one positive report of only minor problems, and another individual who states he visited a dealer with 40-60 tractors in the back with significant mechanical problems. For some reason, tractorlet seems to think that people questioning the origin and quality of what work might be coming out of Vietnam is terrible. All people want to know is whether things are good, bad or indifferent with these tractors--Leon seems to want to call names, and tractorlet seems to think questions directed to Leon shouldn't be answered (calling it an inquisition somehow). He is right, Leon doesn't have to answer questions, but failure to speak up can lead others to conclude that he can't or doesn't want to stand behind his product or try to expand his sales. On the other hand, maybe its just a language problem.

In any event, I do agree that this thread isn't developing much in the way of real information, so I will not join in name calling.

Seems like this thread has brought out some issues between several dealers that have existed for quite some time. Others don't want to read this, only information good, bad, or indifferent about these tractors.

 

[Soundguy]

It all boils down to statistics.

1, we have had reports of problems from tractors rebuilt in vietnam.

2 leon is a rebuilder/dealer of vietnamese tractors.

Both can exist mutually, and do not have to overlap. Just because tractors from x vietnamese dealer is bad, does not mean all are.. just makes you look harder to determine who/where you buy from.

As was stated, by myself, leon, and others, if you have a quality product, and customer service, you will thrive as a business.. if you rip off people you want.

Rebuttals are fine if facts can be disputed.. but all can be done professionally.

I personally was told that my yanmar 1700 was rebuilt in vietnam ( private seller.. not dealer ).

It had the usual problems I would expect on a 20+ year old tractor., and one the seller did not disclose.. but I beleieve he knew of ( bad alternator / regulator ).. but as far as running.. it was a decent tractor.

Soundguy

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Very good points. More info from rebuild owners needs to be posted. 2 pretty good outcomes.

 

[YanmarFever]

Homestead tractors in Apple valley CA. sold vietnamese tractors for a while.
Maybe someone should call Ron or Paul and get their opinion on these machines.
From what I saw they sold quite a few of them.
I think they could provide an expert opinion on the subject at hand.
My 2 cents Ernie

 

[Anonymous Poster]

I agree, call Ron or Paul from Homestead Tractor out of Apple Valley in CA, and ask them who they bought tractors from and what kinds problems they have?

CFOX: First of all, let me tell you this, I'm not mad or upset at you or any one, on the other hand, I should say thanks because you guys advertise and recognize my company to people. CFOX, ERNIE or AIRNIE, I don't call people by "name" unless they BAD MOUTH about me and my business. Let me ask you these questions; Do you know how many Vietnamese who does reconditioned tractors? How do you know that I don't support and stand behind my products? Who do you think you are and why are you expecting me to prove my products to you? How many tractors have you sold? prove it? And one more things, show me your DOCUMENTS from UNCLE SAM. If you can show and prove all these to me, I'll prove anything you want.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

I want to know because I am buying a tractor. I want to know what are good, bad, and in between. I am trying to learn. I don't want to be in a squabble between competing factions of dealers. I have thought about buying a tractor at auction, but read that many of these may look good, but may mechanically needy. If there are good products at lesser prices then they will do well and I might want to buy one, if people won't give inforamtion, though, its a bad sign in my book.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

BTW I don't sell tractors nor would I consider it.

 

[tractorlet]

Just checking to see if any quality data is being posted. Same old valueless non-factual dribble.

 

[jimstractors]

What DOCUMENTS??? I got a California drivers license, and ...lets see... a NAUI scuba certification card...various credit cards...Oh!!!, almost forgot, a Subway sandwich club card with 3 stickers...I agree with tractorlet, Same old valueless non-factual dribble.

 

[Soundguy]

I too am trying to divine what documents from uncle sam leon is talking about.

And as for proving your product.. if Leon is indeed in the business of selling.. he NEEDS to prove his tractors are good... word of mouth advertising gets around. Instead of being defensive.. he needs to elaborate on why it would be good to buy his tractors, and not someone else's.

Odd fellow to figure out. Starting to smell fishy to me.

We've asked him at least 3 times in this thread for data.. and all we get is defensive...


Soundguy

 

[Anonymous Poster]

I've got a driver's license and a check book.

 

[normde2001]

Leon, I can see where we are having a problem. You are mistakenly replying to my original post when you should be responding to ones that you have a problem with. The fact is, that I am on your side, and was, I thought, being obviously facetious when speaking of "horror stories" about Vietnamese reconditioned tractors. (By the way, NONE have shown up on this forum). As I stated before, I don't see any place where you have claimed to have "factory rebuilt" tractors. That is apparently a claim made only by some retailers that you may have sold to.