Used CK30 purchase help

[Mark_G]

I know of a 2006 CK30, 4X4 gear, with 350 hours. It comes with a KL130 loader and 3-point back blade. I am told it has a small dent on the hood near the headlights, and the tires are industrial turf and in good condition.

The asking price is $9500.

It sounds good to me, anything I should ask or particularly look for?
The owner is moving from 6 acres to a city lot, so doesn't need it anymore.

I have 5 1/2 wooded acres. I have a long gravel drive I maintain. I would like to skid a few logs (I have a chainsaw mill). I intend to do some general cutting etc. some landscaping on the place. Push snow in the winter.

I have never owned a tractor before so any advice appreciated!

Thanks,

Mark

 

[Lloyd_E]

See if the warranty is transferable. Ask for maintenance records.
If mechanic is close - get a compression check on engine and look for any leaks - engine or hydraulics.

It sounds like a good deal. 350 hours is not a lot.

Good luck.

 

[Gittyup]

Ask about the loader. Is it a KL130B, where the "B" is important. If so, it's a great buy. If it's the old loader style (non B models), make sure it has the retrofit kit installed. Ask the owner about loader cracks and do a search in these Kioti forums for loader cracks so that you are aware of the issue.

All in all the CK30 is a very nice machine. But, you should also evaluate your intended uses and make sure it is the right tractor for you.

 

[wallace]

Even if it doesn't have the new b style loader and the kit is not on grab that deal!!!
That is a smoken deal!

Couple other quick questions..
Is this a private owner or dealer?
If a private owner make sure there is no lein on the tractor.
Ask the purchase date of the tractor, that will tell you how much more warranty is left on the machine.

 

[JoelD]

Quick thought on pushing snow. If you plan to move snow with loader alone its not very efficient. A loader with a plow blade attached is another story. The problem is the loader fills up fast and is not the best snow removal tool. The perfect snow bank moving tool though. when my plow truck finally goes to the plow truck resting place (probably my backyard if current inventory of stuff back there is any indication), I'll take the 8 foot fisher and mount onto my bucket. I am thinking that is probably one of the best set ups for snow removal.

As you mentioned this was your first purchase just thought I'd point out.

Good luck, I am very happy I purchased my used Kioti.

Sincerely,
Joel

 

[Mark_G]

It is a private owner. He indicated he bought it nearly 2 years ago to the day (plus or minus) from today. I hope to see it on Saturday.

A friend said to look closely at the draw bar for signs of abuse, not that it is a critical hard to replace part etc. but unusual wear there can be an indication of abuse. Any other rules of thumb?

I will look for fluid leaks etc. I am told all the records/receipts are there to show maintenance.

He also has a backhoe for it for $5,000 with 2 buckets. It is a Kioti quick attach unit. Sounds like it has relatively light use. I may be inclined to pick that up as well. Any points to consider with that? He also has the Kioti finish mower, brush hog, auger and a few other bits (generator, Gill pulverisor).

The asking price for the brush-hog is around $1200. My lot is wooded, with lots of brushy under growth I'd like to cut. I have been using a DR field and brush mower for the last 10 years, but a brush hog for the majority of it couldn't help but speed up the cutting I'd think. I've brocken the frount deck off the DR at least 3 times in the past.

Thanks for all the advise so far.

Mark

 

[JoelD]

get the serial number and call wallace or another dealer to check on the warranty history of the machine and for the amount of remaining warranty.

Look at all lubrication points to be certain it's been lubricated, make sure the loader is not full of slop (sign of lack of lubrication). If at all possible, validate the dates and hours of motor oil changes, that's another critical point, particularly within first 50 hours or so.

If possible, test the clutch by pushing up against a tree, make certain there is no slipping, by ensuring the tires spin when trying to push the tree.

As for the hoe, what model number? My thought on this is, I would think not a particularly easy sell for him on it's own, not like there is a million Kioti's out there and the likelihood of him finding a buyer for just the hoe is somewhat remote, I would think. Therefore, my thought is you are in a position of power on that one. $5000 sounds like a lot to me. There are others here who could speak a whole lot more intelligently on this point than me.

The key really is frequency of maintenance, you need to be certain she's been lubed regularly and all maintenance per manual performed.

Joel

 

[Cyberroc]

I would agree with Joel on the BH. I am almost sure I remember seeing a new one for around that price.

If you can get the model number give it to Joel and he can tell you.

 

[Mark_G]

I should get the model number later tonight, and when I do I will post it.
I expect to see the tractor Saturday Morning. I will try to get some photos.

Thanks all,
Mark

 

[Mark_G]

The backhoe is a KB 2375. Do owners of this unit like it? How well does it hold up? What should I expect to pay? I know they list around $6500 new, may be in the 5s discounted or package. There are 2 buckets with the backhoe, but I don't recall the sizes.

Thanks,

Mark

 

[Cyberroc]

The backhoe is a KB 2375. Do owners of this unit like it? How well does it hold up? What should I expect to pay? I know they list around $6500 new, may be in the 5s discounted or package. There are 2 buckets with the backhoe, but I don't recall the sizes.

Thanks,

Mark

Hey Mark,

I have seen both good and bad about this model. I must admit that I am no expert; however there does appear to be some design flaws with over extension or needing stronger reinforcements around joints and issues with valve assembly that is supposedly a known defect. (From what I have read).

See this link for reference to the need for reinforcements or over extension: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/64076-help-kioti-backhoe-2375-broken.html

See this link about the valve assembly: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...need-input-ck-20s-purchase-2.html#post1419479

Either way I would still think that $5000 for a 2 year old backhoe with no known issues is still on the high side, but I could be wrong, however I have seen aftermarket for $4K new, although probably not great quality.

I would ask if he has had any work done or replacements while under warranty, also make sure you give it a good run though of all of it including the BH, I would suspect to spend more than an hour depending on what is attached!

GL and it might also just be easier to state what you have seen from others with this model to see if he will drop it on site

JMO, like I stated I am not an expert, just offering what I was thinking while drinking and researching that BH! If it makes you feel any better I am considering a New Kioti as one of my top two brands I am going with.

 

[rcrcomputing]

The backhoe is a KB 2375. Do owners of this unit like it? How well does it hold up? What should I expect to pay? I know they list around $6500 new, may be in the 5s discounted or package. There are 2 buckets with the backhoe, but I don't recall the sizes.

Thanks,

Mark

Mine leaks down pretty quick, it quite strong though. I just about have to run the engine at idle to use it. Otherwise it moves to quick and unruley.. Seems like some others like the woods have some extra control over that. ???

I paid about 5800.00 as I recall new in 2005.

 

[JoelD]

I have the 2376. Not certain if they are the same hoe or not.

Mine digs 7.5 feet.

My hoe has 175 hours, digs strong and is easy to control. I am very pleased. I particularly like how my hoe attaches to the machine, which would be different than yours.

I just bought a brand new 9 inch bucket for 200 dollars.

I would get serial numbers of all, tractor, loader, BH and call Rick Wallace to check for you on warranty history, any other dealer should be able to do the same.

I purchased my LK 3054xs TLB in February of this year, 2004 model with 150 hours for approximately 14K if that's any help.

I would expect the CK30 to be worth significantly more.

I'll try to start a post tonight on a used tractor checklist, have not searched as there may already be one out there.

Good luck,
Joel

 

[Mark_G]

The person selling the tractor also has a rotary brush cutter
model RC20-72 it is a 6' unit. He states he has not used it in over a year and has a total of about 4 hours on it. He said it was $1650 and he wants $1200 for it.

For a CK30 is that a good mower?

On a Kioti page KIOTI - run ahead of the pack!
they list it for use on the LK30(TLB) and the DK35. They only show the CK25 HST on the chart (not the CK30) so I am not sure if this is a good fit or not.

What would a decent 5 foot model cost? A 5 foot may be better in the trees.

Thanks

Mark

 

[IXLR8]

Mine leaks down pretty quick, it quite strong though. I just about have to run the engine at idle to use it. Otherwise it moves to quick and unruley.. Seems like some others like the woods have some extra control over that. ???

I paid about 5800.00 as I recall new in 2005.

My excavation contractor was by today, he was impressed with my CK30. He told me his dad just bought a new NH, didn't say what model. He said the BH on the NH leaks down so fast that he has to keep reaching back to bring it back up, just while he is transporting it from one area of his property to the other.

Woods does have a speed control for the swing on the BH80 and larger units. If yours is too fast, you can buy fittings with restrictors built in to slow the unit down. I run my CK30 at about 1500rpm when I am using the BH, digs fast enough strong enough for me.

 

[Mark_G]

i went and saw the tractor, it was better than I imagined. The dent is more like a ding. It is well maintained, no slop. He not only had the receipts for all the work and the dates etc in a book, he also has the old filters to show the work was done. He grew up on a farm and said his father used to say "Lube is cheaper than parts". He did the 350 hour service and has the filters for the next service or two. It ran well in all gears. I graded a bit of his drive way with a pulverizer, and it pulled well. This was his 2nd KIOTI.

Long and short I took it. If I didn't the friend I brought would have. Another person was coming to look after us, so I decided to get it. I do not think it would last. It was a "Smoken deal" as Wallace said. The loader was not the B model and there are some fine cracks, but even if I had to replace the arms I think I am well ahead.

I decided to take the back-hoe, will see if I can get something welded by the joint that has been reported to fail. He estimates he has 50 - 60 hours on the back-hoe, but it looks new. I got the Hoe for $4500 with 2 buckets. He used it to install an in ground pool. The hoe works well, but I will need some practice.

I also am taking a pto generator he had as well.

He will drop the tractor off Next week (Saturday). I apologize I forgot to take pictures, I will when it arives. Now the hard - part waiting a week!

Thanks for all your help, both now and over the last 3 years while I stalked and listened etc. here.

Mark

 

[Dodgeram]

Welcome to the pack.
The 30 is a great 'lil machine.
The only problem with having a Back Hoe.. You put it on, dig whatever you were planning on diggin and then say, "well, while I've got it on the tractor, I might as well dig out that rock over there, and that one too and etc..."
It's great to have.
Have fun "working" it.
Tom

 

[JoelD]

Congrats and good luck, looking forward to pictures.

sincerely,
Joel

 

[Cyberroc]

Congrats, and jealous (insanely jealous), further research on the issues I stated before don稚 appear to be in great numbers so nothing to lose sleep over.

Just make sure to stay on top of the maintenance and grease-grease-grease, also keep an eye out for any early signs of wear. I have seen other threads about reinforcements being done to strengthen certain parts.

Sorry if I seem over the top about BH work, it has to be my favorite attachment of all times and I have actually sent one (a rental) to the shop for repairs. LSS the rental was not maintained very well by the store I rented it from and they had to bring in another one as it broke fully extended into the hole I was working in. Lucky for me, I got to finish using the one that they brought to recover the broken one.

Congrats again and I wish you worry free years of operation!