Spencer's Pole Barn Project

[Mosey]

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"Now that it is winter I don't feel right asking people to come over and freeze their a$$ off."

I grew up in MI (just north of Jackson) and moved south because of the winters there. It was 19 here when I left for work this morning, and I hate it when it gets that cold. It's up close to 30 now though. I checked weather.com and I see it was below zero in Jackson this morning and still in the lower teens at noon! I know there are some people who can work outside in that kind of weather, my brother who still lives on the farm where I grew up is one of them, but I just can't take it.

 

[pajoube]

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Spencer,
Most just leave the bailing twine and shingle over it. Nice thing about bailing twine is that moisture will not rot the new type twine and it is smaller than the old type hemp twine.
PJ

 

[snowman]

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Re: Tyvek

My neighbor's house has been a work in progress for many many years. The east facing side has some unfinished areas that has large areas of Tyvek exposed - has probably been exposed 5+ years now. I 've never asked him, but assume that is has not caused any structural problems (water getting through, etc), as he's pretty knowledgable about this type of stuff and probably would have done something by now if it was creating problems.

I do recall hearing something on one of those home building television shows that mentioned that the ability of Tyvek to shield from ultraviolet rays diminished quickly if left exposed. I didn't quite understand that since Tyvek is always covered up anyway, so why would it be needed for ultraviolet protection?

 

[Anonymous Poster]

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I agree - that's just flat too much $$$ for that size of a structure. I hope that I did not come across as somehow saying that you should have done something differently, as that was not the intent. I like to do as much as I can myself - just means more to me (as well as saving some money).

I would have done my barn myself too, except that with all the other stuff that needed to be done, along with the immediate need for an enclosed storage area, it just was not feasible. Any future additions will be done by yours truly, since I would figure we would be moved in by then and I would have a base to work out of.

Also, that $11,600 is not the final cost - the concrete slab will run $3500 - $4000, which is higher than my initial estimate of $3,000. All plumbing/electrical/interior is by me, but there's still the cost of materials, plus the 3 doors which will run $1500 installed. So - an enclosed barn, with doors, slab, and underground plumbing will run me in the neighborhood of $17,000. Doing the barn myself would have knocked about $5600 off of that cost, which would sure buy a few more tools - I always need those!

Keep up the great work on your project and don't forget to post those pics.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

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Spencer,

Take a look at this site:

http://www.ondura.com

Home Depot and Lowes sells this stuff. It costs about twice what shingles cost per square, but looks quite durable. Enough for them ot offer a limited [naturally] lifetime warrenty as long as you own the building. Available in eight colors.

I am thinking of using this on my house when I need to replace the roof, which is pretty soon. How time flies!

I think the cost was about $12.50 per 48 x 79" sheet. 18 lbs each, easy to handle alone.

Just another thought...but in my opinion this stuff looks pretty good. I just wish they made it in longer lengths, like about 12' or so.

Anybody here have any experience with this stuff?

Bill in Pgh, PA

 

[MikePA]

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<font color=blue>I do recall hearing something on one of those home building television shows that mentioned that the ability of Tyvek to shield from ultraviolet rays diminished quickly if left exposed. </font color=blue>

I briefly reviewed the installation instructions on the Tyvek web site and didn't see any references to the need to cover it within a certain amount of time. There are materials that need to be covered, like <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.tamko.com/res/mgp/>Tamko's MoistureGuardPlus</A> because they are affected by UV, but Tyvek doesn't appear to be one of them.

 

[ScottAR]

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Ya put shingles over them. After a reroof, there are many thousands of holes in the decking.

 

[JohnMiller3]

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/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif You just know this is the nature of TBN overkill... don't ya... /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

 

[cowboydoc]

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Mike,
Tyvec is not designed to withhold water on a roof. It was designed to hold out water on the inside of some type of sheeting material. The idea, as with felt paper in roofing, is if the water gets through the sheeting the housewrap will prevent the water from getting to the plywood, osb, etc. Up where Spencer is he's talking about some big snows that will be on that roof for a long time. I just don't think tyvec has that kind of water barrier capabilities. I would sure hate to bank on it and find that I've got to replace a bunch of osb board in the spring or 5-10 years down the road when it rots. Also that stuff is expensive!!! I would think you would need a few roles to cover the roof and at $150 or better a roll that's quite alot for something you're going to throw away in the spring.

 

[MikePA]

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Good points, doc. I wasn't aware of what Tyvek costs. Builders felt and some strapping seem like a better solution if permanent roofing isn't in the cards.

 

[Mosey]

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Spencer - I was thinking about what I would do if I were you. Since the roof is going to be tough to get done before winter, then I would wait until spring. Are you going to concrete the floor? If so, that would be a good thing to get done before winter and then you would have a nice surface to work on for the rest of the project. Just a thought, I could be way off base!

 

[knucklehead]

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Hi Danny - I'm starting to get the same impression. Does the idea of stacking and tarping those trusses for the Winter bum you out, Spence? Take a look at MY progress if it does. That's fourteen yards of gravel and four bent metal stakes pounded in a 20' square. Of course, that's not the plan anymore, but it still indicates my progress.

Someone mentioned Ondura. I have seen several barns, shops and garages around here that use a fiberglass/synthetic roofing, and some include transluscent panels in strips for added light. I even saw one with the whole roof done in transluscent panels and it was really bright inside! Maybe too hot in the Summer, even. If those trees around your site provide Summer shade, and if that synthetic panel type stuff is a good choice (UV resistance? Impact strength?), I really think having natural light inside is a great idea. The first thing I have noticed in visiting modern, mostly windowless barns, is that they are as dark as a barn. /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

I liked the Ondura site, too. Does it make you feel better that several of your TBN buds are talking about not doing the roof? Do you feel empowered to wait? /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

 

[knucklehead]

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Oops! That was pre gravel. Guess I'd better check my photos more carefully. Anyway, I have been encouraged by your pace, Spence - by your apparent patience. I've been downright intimidated by some of these palaces I've seen guys put up, too. So you've been a leavening agent, a reality check for me in your project. I am glad to hear you have a balanced approach to family & stuff. Maybe this isn't what you want to hear, but maybe you should more seriously consider waiting until Spring. I'd scope out that Ondura site, too. I know I'm going to do so. The idea of natural lighting is really appealing.

As we all say, just my 2 cents.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

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I don't know if anyone else has stated this but OSB is not that great. I know it is recommended for roofs but we will only use it if we are resheating a roof over planks. It has a tendency to sag between rafters and if left in the elements too long will expand along the edges. I personally do not like it. We use plywood for all roofs and for new construction use either 5/8" or 3/4" depending on rafter spacing. Also, 3 in 1's will not withstand much wind if they don't seal. You could possibly use them and tar the tabs down on every shingle which is a lot of work or go with T-loks which are wind resistant but not the greatest look(in my opionion) I prefer the IKO's Cambridge 30 shingles. They go down fast and are will not blow off in winds, trust me I know this for a fact. We use these for just about every job we do now and have never had a problem with them as it is a full sheet of asphalt, not individual tabs. It is extremly hard for the wind to pick the shingles up. The last roof we did this year was about 3 weeks ago. We had 40mph winds while we were putting the shingles on the entire 3 days we were there. It snowed the day we were finishing. Our biggest trouble was keeping the loose shingles on the roof as the wind wanted to move them for us but not one shingle started to lift once it was down.

As for metal vs asphalt, Metal goes down fast but you should have a couple people to make things easy, one person doing it themselves can lead to a lot of mistakes:-( That is about the only advantage metal has now. Asphalt goes down fast also if you do enough of them. Your barn would take two people about 2-3 days to shingle at the most. Asphalt is also a lot quieter then metal, plus you don't have to worry about snow sliding off on your head while you are walking under the eaves trying to finish your siding (I had it happen numerous times on the last pole barn we did, last thing I hear is swoosh and I am covered) Your barn does look nice though but I really do not like OSB for roof's. Take care.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

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Just a note, most lumber yards will let you use a nailer if you buy the shingles from them. Kind of a thank you thing.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

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When Tyvek is left exposed the coating wears off and water will get thru. On a wall is not as crucial but if it is on a roof you would not want to use it. Plus it is extremly slick if you walk on it and it is a easy way to slide off a roof.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

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Tyvek only cost us around $85-$95 a roll.

 

[Bird]

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I'm with you, Robert. I wouldn't give you a nickel for all the OSB you could haul on an 18-wheeler. Plywood might cost a little more, but it's sure worth it in the long run.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

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That is the great thing, Plywood use to cost more then OSB. Now it is the other way around but people remember that OSB was always cheaper so they go that route not thinking. I dispise the stuff because I have to deal with it and know how it holds up. My grandfather used it on his roof 18 years ago. In about 2 years we will have to rip off the roof and the osb and redo the entire thing because to OSB sagged about 2" in between each rafter. Also, any little leak in a roof with OSB will result in a lot of damage before the leak is noticed because the OSB will hold the water and rot away under the shingles making the problem worse.

 

[cowboydoc]

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I totally agree with you on all points Robert. You also may be right about the Tyvec. $150 was what I had in my mind from the last house I built but I very well could be wrong on that.