SA200, what it worth?

[muddstopper]

Went to shop this morning, Piston have moved under the hydraulic jack pressure. Made a couple of more strokes on the jack and it moved some more. Took wire wheel on drill and cleaned up the bore to remove all rust scale. Turned block over and put jack on rod end of piston and it pressed right out. rings stuck on piston, but I dont think they will be a big problem. Cylinder has sever pitting. Hone job wont do. Took to machine shop, he's going to check out the block to make sure no cracks, then measure all bores. If rest of bores are good enough for standard rings, then just going to sleeve bad cylinder. If other bores check out to have to much wear, going to bore and install oversize pistons. Will deck head and do a valve job, install new cam bearings. When it comes back home it will be ready for re-assembly. Said it would be next year before I got it back. LOL.

Mean time, going to order some gyptal insulating paint for generator parts. Also will be doing some body work on hood and frame. Might as well do a paint job while its apart. Got to do a little cleanup on carb and magneto and govenor to make sure they function properly. Should have it up and running in a few weeks.

 

[Shield Arc]

Might as well do a paint job while its apart.

Won't be long until your shop looks like this. :thumbsup:

 

[muddstopper]

Won't be long until your shop looks like this. :thumbsup:

I could only dream! My shop is so cluttered up, I am ashamed to even post pic's.
You would think that as much trouble as i have had just getting this thing unstuck and torn down, I wouldnt even want to look at another one. Problem is, as I am driving around, I keep looking at all the scrap heaps just to see if I can spot another one. I am now torn between a rebuild or a restoration. It looks like I will probably be into this one for around $1000 or so, plus labor. If i do a complete restore cost could go up quite a bit.

 

[monckywrench]

They aren't making any more SA 200s so expect the current quantity of cheap ones to shrink steadily. I'd take any I could get near scrap price and shove them in the back yard if nothing else. You can always part out what you don't use for a profit.

 

[muddstopper]

Is there really that big of a demand for good running sa200's. I see plenty of running machines for sale on Ebay. Some with big prices, some seem reasonable. Dont know if any of those machines are selling. I would think because of the limitations of a sA200, (DC only) that there would be much more demand for a newer, more modern machine with AC as well as DC.

 

[Brad_Blazer]

They aren't making any more SA 200s so expect the current quantity of cheap ones to shrink steadily. I'd take any I could get near scrap price and shove them in the back yard if nothing else. You can always part out what you don't use for a profit.

They still make them. The diesel engine makes sense on a machine that's intended to accumulate lots of hours.
Airgas - LINK6090-11 - Lincoln® Pipeliner® 200D Engine Drive Welder With 4 Cylinder 27.8 hp Kubota® Diesel Engine

 

[muddstopper]

$17500 for a new one. I may have more to work with than I thought.

on another note, BIL brought down some old tools his FIL had. They seem to have the same plug end as the 110vdc outlet on the welder. I dont know if any of them will work, but he threw them in the back of my truck before he left. These old tools are all metal housings, no plastic.

 

[firemanmike69]

$17500 for a new one. I may have more to work with than I thought. on another note, BIL brought down some old tools his FIL had. They seem to have the same plug end as the 110vdc outlet on the welder. I dont know if any of them will work, but he threw them in the back of my truck before he left. These old tools are all metal housings, no plastic.

Just wait till you weld with it the arc is wonderful. Do the tools have the tags on them? They will usually show a symbol for ac/dc on them, for the most part it will be on single speed tools such as a grinder.

 

[dstig1]

I missed this earlier. Nice thread! I see you are a lot like me - you see a challenge more than an opportunity to make big money with something like this. I like it! Good luck moving this forward

 

[muddstopper]

Just wait till you weld with it the arc is wonderful. Do the tools have the tags on them? They will usually show a symbol for ac/dc on them, for the most part it will be on single speed tools such as a grinder.

I will have to look for the tag, I havent even taken the tools out of the truck yet.
I am hoping to get my engine block back Friday. I have been waiting for the block before ordering any parts. Right now I am trying to locate a decent bodyshop to pretty up the cover for the welder. Havent made up my mine if I want to go with the factory gray, or the newer charcoal color.

 

[shawnspeed]

On the tools...Most of the older Brush type motors will work...I have a 1945 Hobart with the DC only plug...My milwakee 4.5 inch grinder works great on it..(plug prongs will be the same size) Incandescent light bulbs will also work...the outlet should be 120V DC....and as mentioned above, they weld VERY nice...I have several newer welders that have DC capability, and by far , that old engine driven unit is the best, followed close by my Syncro 250 and XMT 304..(both Millers) . Looking forward to you getting it back together...Shawn

 

[firemanmike69]

I will have to look for the tag, I havent even taken the tools out of the truck yet. I am hoping to get my engine block back Friday. I have been waiting for the block before ordering any parts. Right now I am trying to locate a decent bodyshop to pretty up the cover for the welder. Havent made up my mine if I want to go with the factory gray, or the newer charcoal color.

The tag will look like this



The wiggly line represents AC current and the solid line represents DC

 

[muddstopper]

Weather been so cold, I aint even went to the shop. Supposed to get to -1 Monday and they are calling for snow. I did go by the machine shop, but switch went out on his boring machine, so I might get the block back next wkend. Told him I aint in any hurry, no heat in shop so I wont be working on it anyway.

 

[Brad_Blazer]

I think any single speed AC motor that runs on brushes will run on DC. My harbor freight grinders work fine.

 

[muddstopper]

Still havent got my engine block back from the machine shop. He must not of gotten his boring bar fixed or is to busy catching up to call.
Instead of doing nothing, I did have a fix to the amp switch I needed to take care of. The Macarta insulating board that hold the contacts was broken and one contact loose. A new switch is about $200 and I didnt want to pay that. So, I orderd a 12x12x3/16 peice of macarta board from granger. Total cost $13. took the old switch apart and drilled out all the rivets that hold the contacts to the board. I Then laid the old broken board on top of the new board and used a scatch awl to outline the edges of the board, With the old board and new board clamped together, I used the old board for a templet to drill the 14 1/8 in holes for the contacts. A little bit of work with a jigsaw and dremel and here are the results. Less thant $20 instead of the $200 for a new switch.

 

[Arc weld]

Looks like a professional repair.:thumbsup:

 

[muddstopper]

Thanks, its nice to have a buddy that owns one those fancey rivet squishing machines. Took him all of 5 minutes to attach the contacts

 

[muddstopper]

Been a wk or two. Went by machine shop today. He just got in the cylinder sleeve. Engine mic'ed standard. Going to sleeve one cylinder and everything will go back standard. Will be shaveing head and block. 3angle valve job and ready to reassemble. Since my shop isnt heated will probably bag and wait for some warmer weather to put everything back together.

 

[southerndeere]

I paid $200.00 for this 1966 Red Face, and turned down $6,000.00. Guy was mad as a wet hen when I wouldn't sell it to him.:laughing: Paint will cost you around $150.00. Remember those Continental engine went is a lot of equipment, especially forklifts, and tractors. I'd offer him $250.00 remove the spark plugs and fill the cylinders with Kroil penetrating oil, and let it set for a month.

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Man I've been repairing welders for 10 years. I own a sa200 myself. Still restoring it. Already restored an sold a sa250. Very nice looking machine. Great job!