Question about hydraulics performance on different excavators.

[Hersheyfarm]

Tb260 with thumb and hydraulic pin grabber coupler, 86,000 adding an angle backfill blade took it to 89,000.

Tb370 with thumb and hydraulic pin grabber coupler, 103,000

These are both cab units tax is included in the price.

So we are 6% , that puts the tb250 $70484 without pin grabber.
i priced the u55..about 71k and the kx040 was about 76100. Non tax.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

Which machine did you go with? Have you got it?

 

[Hersheyfarm]

Kx040 break out bucket/arm 9535/4112
dig depth 11’3”
reach 18’2”
9855 lb
my sale price used 175hr, $58k


u48-5 break out bucket/arm 9304/5304.
dig depth 10’8”
reach 18’4
11531 lb
$70056

tb250 break out bucket/arm 10430/5261
dig depth 12’5”
reach 20’1”
11288 lb
$66495

on paper the tb250 is unquestionably higher performing. I know kubotas quality, only speculate on Takeuchi and that is it of equal quality.

 

[LD1]

On paper it seems the u48 only specs higher than the kx in weight

You gain no reach, dig depth, or power.

So for me, unless I'm missing something....is rule it out pronto

 

[Hersheyfarm]

That is true, but initially my intent was just to get into the new cab of the -5. Then i got into the hydro stuff when i stumbled onto the Takeuchi, and its digging lengths. But, imo, I would be going backwards in the cab refinement with the Takeuchi, probably not an issue for most, but for the sake of this thread is an important factor to me.
really need time in the cab and find the cabin filter on a tb250. Hvac longevity is important. The kx040’s cabin filter is embarrassing. I have a thread here I think where I sealed the return and retrofitted the svl75 style outer filter on mine. Just as fyi, uno those cheap blue filters they sell at lowes/Home Depot for home hvac’s. That’s the same level of filter the kx has. The svl utilizes that same filter on the recirculate filter. The new -5’s have a complete different filtration set up, as well as completely redesigned hvac system. I went all through that when I ran the kx057-5.
Also the lifting capacity is about 500lb better on the u48 over the 040, and more than a 1400lb better on the tb250. How does Takeuchi achieve this with same weight and hp…

but I’m rambling, this is not hydro related.

 

[4570Man]

The Tackuchi tb250 outweighs the Kubota 40 by a thousand pounds or so. I’d recommend taking a look at a Deere 50. It’s a tad bigger then the 40 and a more refined piece than the Tackuchi.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

So does the u48, they both weight about 1500lb more.

oh, dumb me. This is over blade. I haven’t tried to lift 5600lb over blade. I assume the boom would lift but rear will come up? Is that your thinking? with my 5’ gravel bucket it will tip wile loading bucket with boom stretched out Blade up, not tried with blade down as I’m usually just grabbing and going.

 

[4570Man]

So does the u48, they both weight about 1500lb more.

oh, dumb me. This is over blade. I haven’t tried to lift 5600lb over blade. I assume the boom would lift but rear will come up? Is that your thinking? with my 5’ gravel bucket it will tip wile loading bucket with boom stretched out Blade up, not tried with blade down as I’m usually just grabbing and going.

The 48 doesn’t have any more boom than the 40 does. The 250 and I’d assume the 50 Deere has a little bit bigger boom.

 

[Rustyiron]

Does Deere make their own mini's? I know for years that they basically used Hitachi for the full size excavators.

 

[Fixastuff]

and a more refined piece than the Tackuchi.

How dare you! Lol I'm looking forward to when Takeuchi come out with all of their 3xx series machines to replace the 200 series. Should add some of the fancy touches other manufacturers have put on em. I don't know if anyone that mad at their Takeuchi's performance though.

 

[4570Man]

How dare you! Lol I'm looking forward to when Takeuchi come out with all of their 3xx series machines to replace the 200 series. Should add some of the fancy touches other manufacturers have put on em. I don't know if anyone that mad at their Takeuchi's performance though.

I never felt like their stuff was unreliable or under performing but I certainly wasn’t wowed with the overall product.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

Does Deere make their own mini's? I know for years that they basically used Hitachi for the full size excavators.

Supposedly they just split like right now. Who knows why, and all Deere minis will be 100% Deere unless they split with hitachi to go with another manufacturer….like sany. Dont laugh, Deere is about the bottom line.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

How dare you! Lol I'm looking forward to when Takeuchi come out with all of their 3xx series machines to replace the 200 series. Should add some of the fancy touches other manufacturers have put on em. I don't know if anyone that mad at their Takeuchi's performance though.

Lol, I’ve already been looking at it. Here’s a pic of the new cab on the tb370. It is a lot better. They finally went with a screen and got rid of all the buttons. Kubota did too, but honestly i dont mind buttons and the new screens are not my thing, well except for the camera, my thing is a go solid sealed rubber floor, seat, and nice rubber joysticks. I got on a cat 505 and the sticks were like some cheap PlayStation controller.
A positive was to get the throttle off the arm rest, that’s an annoying place. The floor is a good chunk of solid rubber, so is the -5’s, unlike my 040 that is a loose fitting couple of floor mats that you can seen the ground below.


Looks like they got rid of the fold out cup holder/storage compartment. That’s also a BIG thing for me is just some place to put stuff. In my 040 there is no place to put anything, just a little cup holder. The -5’s have a few places. The 300 series has a couple of places too. Its the small things. I added a place on my 040 and a place to put Kleenex box…allergies. Every piece of equipment I got has a box of Kleenex.

heres a pic of the kubota -5 cab. Nice thing with the -5 is the ability to adjust seat back and forth separate from joysticks, but then you can also adjust the seat with the controls front to back. Very adjustable.

 

[Fixastuff]

Lol, I’ve already been looking at it. Here’s a pic of the new cab on the tb370. It is a lot better. They finally went with a screen and got rid of all the buttons. Kubota did too, but honestly i dont mind buttons and the new screens are not my thing, well except for the camera, my thing is a go solid sealed rubber floor, seat, and nice rubber joysticks. I got on a cat 505 and the sticks were like some cheap PlayStation controller.

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One of the reason I went with a Takeuchi for my baby excavator a couple years ago was the simple electronics and heavy counterweighted rear end toughness.(she got a big butt)

The Cat sticks feel different because they are electric over hydraulic design. You loose some feel at the joystick but you don't get the heat from hydraulics like you do from a piloted set up, making it easier to keep cool inside in the summer.

 

[Jchonline]

I have a kx040 I bought new last year. It’s just a hair too small. Looking at upgrading it to maybe a u48-5, or a Takeuchi tb250.

all 3 have the same hp, 39-40. Kx040, the u48, and the Takeuchi.

now my kx040 has 24.5 gpm single pump
The u48 has 32gpm single pump
The Takeuchi tb250 has 40gpm through 4 pumps, or 3 pumps and a forth for the 24 gpm auxiliary. So actually 3 pumps pumping the 40gpm.

the Takeuchi has better break out.

how does the number of pumps effect hydro capabilities with the same hp?
Doesn’t it still take the same hp to hydro flow, so wouldn’t the Takeuchi suffer from lack of power over the other machines trying to flow 40gpm?

one of my dislike with my kx040 is not being able to travel and use boom. Hydro flow gets cut in half. I blame the 24 gpm. Why wouldn’t they use the biggest pump that 40hp would pump?

The U48 is going to be less capable than the KX040. All stats are equal or worse. Trust me I just looked at this. You are going to want to move to the KX-057 to notice any real performance difference.

The U48 has less breakout, less lift, less reach. It does have more weight, but that doesnt matter because counterweight in an excavator is what matters. Only get a zero tail if you NEED a zero tail for the areas you are working in.

I am not sure about the U48 on the boom and move. However if you have a less capable machine in other areas you will have to decide which you want more. Personally I would look at the tb250 or the KX057 or some other mfg. Just not the U48.

 

[Jchonline]

Also worth consideration is what you are trailering it with. The 5t class machines are at the limit of a 14k trailer. Whereas your KX040 has alot of wiggle room and can even be towed on a 12k trailer. IF that is a concern for you or not

The KX040 with 6 way blade and cab is 10,300. Its just over 5T. 14k trailer is pushing it. 12k Trailer I doubt it. The 057 is over 13k I believe.

I do agree OP should look at Kx057 or equivalent or larger machine. However OP is into CDL territory.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

The U48 is going to be less capable than the KX040. All stats are equal or worse. Trust me I just looked at this. You are going to want to move to the KX-057 to notice any real performance difference.

The U48 has less breakout, less lift, less reach. It does have more weight, but that doesnt matter because counterweight in an excavator is what matters. Only get a zero tail if you NEED a zero tail for the areas you are working in.

I am not sure about the U48 on the boom and move. However if you have a less capable machine in other areas you will have to decide which you want more. Personally I would look at the tb250 or the KX057 or some other mfg. Just not the U48.

not 100% true. The u48 has about 200lb less bucket breakout, and 1200lb more arm break out. It has 2” more reach than the 040, 7” less dig depth and about 500lb more lift capacity. Plus a better cab. The 040 is well under 14k trailer capacity. The u48 is pushing a 14900 trailer.

heres my scaled numbers with the 040 plus chains, a solid 2.5” punch bar and a 5’ gravel bucket.

Kx 057 is an absolute no go with my current setup to stay under 26k. I could possibly go 1000lb lighter in a another trailer platform, but still wouldn’t be possible for a 057. Unfortunately.

 

[Jchonline]

not 100% true. The u48 has about 200lb less bucket breakout, and 1200lb more arm break out. It has 2” more reach than the 040, 7” less dig depth and about 500lb more lift capacity. Plus a better cab. The 040 is well under 14k trailer capacity. The u48 is pushing a 14900 trailer.

heres my scaled numbers with the 040 plus chains, a solid 2.5” punch bar and a 5’ gravel bucket.
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Lift capacity? Look at your stats again. The KX is 4200, U48 is 2900. Not very close. The U48 is a great machine…I almost bought one over the KX040. However when it came down to it there was no reason To spend more money for a less capable machine for my needs.

https://www.kubotausa.com/docs/default-source/brochure-sheets/kx040.pdf

https://www.kubotausa.com/docs/default-source/brochure-sheets/u48-5-brochure.pdf?sfvrsn=b9058eb2_4

So you are into CDL territory for what? Not really any gain. That was my point.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

Lift capacity? Look at your stats again. The KX is 4200, U48 is 2900. Not very close. The U48 is a great machine…I almost bought one over the KX040. However when it came down to it there was no reason To spend more money for a less capable machine for my needs.

https://www.kubotausa.com/docs/default-source/brochure-sheets/kx040.pdf

https://www.kubotausa.com/docs/default-source/brochure-sheets/u48-5-brochure.pdf?sfvrsn=b9058eb2_4

So you are into CDL territory for what? Not really any gain. That was my point.

No ideal what numbers you are talking about..4200, 2900?
not in cdl territory, well under. You keep saying less capable..I’m quoting kubotas stats. At best you could only say they are equal, but in reality the u48 has more numbers on top of the 040. Please explain.

 

[4570Man]

not 100% true. The u48 has about 200lb less bucket breakout, and 1200lb more arm break out. It has 2” more reach than the 040, 7” less dig depth and about 500lb more lift capacity. Plus a better cab. The 040 is well under 14k trailer capacity. The u48 is pushing a 14900 trailer.

heres my scaled numbers with the 040 plus chains, a solid 2.5” punch bar and a 5’ gravel bucket.
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Kx 057 is an absolute no go with my current setup to stay under 26k. I could possibly go 1000lb lighter in a another trailer platform, but still wouldn’t be possible for a 057. Unfortunately.

26,000 pounds for the load and trailer not counting the truck seems fair to me.