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[RayIN]

I have a 24' RAM 2500 w/ the Cummins. So far I really like the truck. I was a Ford guy but kept having issues with them. Tried Chevy for a brief time and then decided to look at RAM. As soon as I test drove it, I knew I was I buying it. Are they without issues? No, but I think it's the better choice out there right now.

Check out the newest Cummins engine specs: https://www.cummins.com/en-na/engines/octane

 

[deserteagle71]

Check out the newest Cummins engine specs: https://www.cummins.com/en-na/engines/octane

Interesting. But only 660 lb-ft of torque max - a far cry from the latest Cummins diesel @ over 1000 lb-ft of torque. And I'm wondering at what rpm that engine makes that 660 lb-ft of torque? All the article says is that "rated" speed is 3200 rpm. One of the things I love about my Cummins diesel is max torque is about 1600 rpm. The truck rarely gets to 2000 rpm.

 

[92blacksunshine]

I might suggest having the underside treated with Woolwax, fluid film, even used oil to give whatever you buy a fighting chance.

Just an FYI, a guy at work had his GMC sprayed with Woolwax, and when he went to put airbags on it, everywhere he wiped off the Woolwax it took the paint right off, right down to the bare metal. User beware!

 

[General Lee]

Check out the newest Cummins engine specs: https://www.cummins.com/en-na/engines/octane

Be a while before I look at that engine. Being new, I'll give it several years to see how it does and if it sticks.

 

[Hay Dude]

Interesting. But only 660 lb-ft of torque max - a far cry from the latest Cummins diesel @ over 1000 lb-ft of torque. And I'm wondering at what rpm that engine makes that 660 lb-ft of torque? All the article says is that "rated" speed is 3200 rpm. One of the things I love about my Cummins diesel is max torque is about 1600 rpm. The truck rarely gets to 2000 rpm.

660 ftlbs would put it FAR ahead of the other gassers and 3200 rpm is really low for a gas motor to make max torque. It's going to be a heck of an engine.
Probably way better fuel economy since it's a six

 

[sd455dan]

Interesting. But only 660 lb-ft of torque max - a far cry from the latest Cummins diesel @ over 1000 lb-ft of torque. And I'm wondering at what rpm that engine makes that 660 lb-ft of torque? All the article says is that "rated" speed is 3200 rpm. One of the things I love about my Cummins diesel is max torque is about 1600 rpm. The truck rarely gets to 2000 rpm.

Preliminary dyno tests suggest over 550 lb. ft at 1200 RPM for the 87 octane gas engine.
None of the new Cummins seem to make under 500lb at 1000 RPM.

Freaking Impressive for an 87 octane gas engine. That one line is showing about 430lb. ft. @ 600 RPM!

All versions of the new Cummins in gasoline form are completely Off the Ford graph -where the dyno starts measuring torque.

Under 1000 RPM gas Cummins are all making 500 foot pounds versus under 150 foot pounds.

Want to pull a heavy trailer from a dead stop up a hill? Compare the way it would feel doing the same job with say a 10 year old 6.2 Ford V8 gas engine starting at 1000 RPM, 530 vs, about 110 lb. ft. Doing it with a manual transmission...

Eco boost kicked the 6.2's butt.

Not really fair busting Fords chops by using a decade old engine, but does show how much things have changed and also which is a better truck power band.

Cummins are not horsepower kings, but sure shine in low RPM torque.

 

[Hay Dude]

The off-pedal torque rivals early 2000’s diesels and the torque curve is also flat from what would normally be a peaky gasser.

 

[FullMetalBucket]

I tow a 7k 14ft trailer weighing 2040lbs with my 2024 z71 Colorado. No issues. It’s got 430 lb-ft torque which is pretty good for its size.

 

[ruffdog]

Newer gas V8 engines are posting similar stats as diesel engines available in the same vehicle. The Ford Godzilla V8 is a work engine designed for Ford trucks all the way up to the F550.
I've owned my one and only V8(GM) with the fuel saver function of disabling 4 cylinders; that rules out GM and Ram gas engines.

The GM engines that are compared to the Ford Godzilla engine in the HD would be the 6.0 and 6.6 gassers. Both of those do not have DOD...

The 6.6L V8 gas engine (L8T) in the Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD/3500HD does not feature Displacement on Demand (DoD), also known as Active Fuel Management (AFM). This heavy-duty, direct-injection engine is designed for durability without cylinder-deactivation technology, providing 401 hp and 464 lb-ft of torque.

 

[RayIN]

The GM engines that are compared to the Ford Godzilla engine in the HD would be the 6.0 and 6.6 gassers. Both of those do not have DOD...

The 6.6L V8 gas engine (L8T) in the Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD/3500HD does not feature Displacement on Demand (DoD), also known as Active Fuel Management (AFM). This heavy-duty, direct-injection engine is designed for durability without cylinder-deactivation technology, providing 401 hp and 464 lb-ft of torque.

GM 6.6L since 2020, previous years do have AFM. There is a "Ranger" brand AFM delete sold that works all the time for pre-2020 models.
reference: https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/0...ne-no-active-fuel-management-auto-stop-start/

 

[ruffdog]

GM 6.6L since 2020, previous years do have AFM. There is a "Ranger" brand AFM delete sold that works all the time for pre-2020 models.
reference: https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/0...ne-no-active-fuel-management-auto-stop-start/

Before 2020, the 6.6 was the 6.0 and in HD aplications like the 2500/3500 trucks did NOT have DOD. You are thinking of light duty.

Most GM 6.0L (LY6, L96) engines in 2500HD trucks do not have DOD/AFM (Active Fuel Management/Displacement on Demand). Designed for heavy-duty work, these 2500HD engines prioritize durability over light-load cylinder deactivation, unlike 1500-series models. They are highly reliable, commonly featuring VVT (Variable Valve Timing) instead.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/l96/

 

[RayIN]

GM 6.6L since 2020, previous years do have AFM. There is a "Ranger" brand AFM delete sold that works all the time for pre-2020 models.
reference: https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/0...ne-no-active-fuel-management-auto-stop-start/

Edited to ad; The easy way to defeat AFM was run in tow/haul-mode but terrible fuel milleage was also a result.

 

[AntiqueIron]

Sounds like you want a 1/2 ton,
for the salty times. Aluminum is not the end all be all but it's miles ahead of a steel body that the other 2 offer.
My observation of the "other 2" backs this up and come time to move on the obvious body appearance is worth thousands!

GM pickups have had aluminum hoods and doors since 2014. Not the end all be all, but definitely an improvement.

I want a pickup with a fiberglass tilt nose!

 

[Hay Dude]

GM pickups have had aluminum hoods and doors since 2014. Not the end all be all, but definitely an improvement.

I want a pickup with a fiberglass tilt nose!

Too bad their rocker panels & cab corners aren’t
Those fantastic GM’s of the 2000-2007 era rusted really bad.

 

[ruffdog]

Edited to ad; The easy way to defeat AFM was run in tow/haul-mode but terrible fuel milleage was also a result.

The better way to turn AFM off was to be in M5 (manual limit to 5th gear). I also have a Range AFM delete but it is turned off for most of my driving.

 

[WinterDeere]

GM pickups have had aluminum hoods and doors since 2014. Not the end all be all, but definitely an improvement.

I want a pickup with a fiberglass tilt nose!

Hay Dude beat me to it, but I've never lost a hood to rust!

Doors are a good start, but cab, bed and tailgate are all susceptible.

I need to find some time to get out and test drive some stuff, in the coming weeks. This is no emergency project, my truck is fine... but I do want to take care of this before end of summer. Rapidly progressing rust and failing bed tie downs are one thing, but I'm also due to put four new tires on this truck before next winter, and would rather put the $1k+ I'd put toward those into a new truck.

I think I'll check out the aluminum Fords and the latest from Dodge. I don't really see any good reason to add Chevy to the comparison, since I've never had a positive experience with that brand or their local dealers. I'm not a fan of any of the recent Fords I've been in, either... but have to admit the aluminum body is a factor I can't ignore, given I'm trading-in my second very low miles truck due to body rust.

 

[ruffdog]

Stellantis is trying to improve their lacking first-pass quality numbers this year:

Stellantis is undertaking a "deep reset" to improve first-pass quality and vehicle reliability, hiring over 2,000 engineers and implementing strict quality controls. Faced with mixed quality rankings and launch glitches, CEO Antonio Filosa has prioritized improving manufacturing quality to drive a sales resurgence, following, in some cases, declines in industry studies.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Too bad their rocker panels & cab corners aren’t
Those fantastic GM’s of the 2000-2007 era rusted really bad.

Some of the best trucks ever made, particularly 2003+ after they worked out the gremlins of that eras electronics.

 

[Jstpssng]

Funny thing about rust... my last 2 trucks were junked because of the frame long before the cabs rusted out. Each had been factory sprayed, and I crawled down underneath with a ball peen hammer checking. Yet after just 1 winter the undercoating came off along with a layer of frame.
Before they get bad enough to pull off the road, do you really want to hook onto a trailer with a thin frame?

 

[Hay Dude]

Some of the best trucks ever made, particularly 2003+ after they worked out the gremlins of that eras electronics.

If I had the $ laying around, I’d buy a used one from the South or Southwest. Has a REAL Allison.
These were also fast bone stock, rode great, had a beefy 11.5” rear, neat center console, and comfy seats.