Perimeter fencing pasture

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drumminj

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With the garden, greenhouse, and beehives now up and running on our property it’s time for the next project — building a barn and fencing in our pasture. Looking to get some guidance from folks on woven wire fence (I’ve read many of the older threads here but still have some questions).

The CFO sadly denied my request to buy a hydraulic post pounder, so I’ll be hiring out the work to fence our ~4 acre pasture. The plan is to raise sheep with a couple of standard donkeys as guard animals (and pets to be honest), but I want to build everything to work well for horses if we decide we want some in the future. The plan is to go with 5” round posts pounded into the ground (thicker corner posts - I forget the size), then run 4’ no-climb woven horse fence with three-board over it for aesthetics, using the top board to get us to about 4.5’ total height. We’ll run the wire and boards on the inside of the posts.

I’m in the middle of getting a quote from the fencing contractor who did our dog/yard fence, and have a few questions for the experienced folks here:

1) I’m trying to ensure we get class 3 galvanized wire. Doesn’t look like Red Brand sells that in a no-climb horse fence, but Bekaert and OK Brand seem to. Is there something else I should be looking at?

2) With horses, my understanding is you want to avoid 90 degree or sharper corners. How is this normally done with tensioned fence that needs bracing? Can you do two consecutive 45 degree “corners” instead?

3) We’ll want some curves in the fence line - see photo below. Bekaert’s install guide suggests swapping the fence to the other side of posts to keep it on the “outside” of a curve, but obviously we’d like to keep the wire and boards on the same side of the posts. For mild curves and posts 8’ apart will it work to keep the wire on the “inside” of the posts?

4) what about a larger “sweeping” 90 degree turn?

What else should I be concerned about making sure they do it correctly? Appreciate any thoughts or input.

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i used red brand 48” non climb for the 10 acres across from my main property about 3-4 years ago. I used standard field fence for the main 20 acres of fencing and cross fencing. I like the look of the non climb better than the field fence, but money was real tight 20 years ago.

I will never include wood top piece on any fence. Ive seen horses chew that to pieces. I just run a top hot wire.

As to donkeys and sheep. My wife put a few sheep into pen with the donkey thinking the donkey would protect the sheep. Donkey ended up killing both sheep. The donkey was real friendly with people, but didnt like the way the sheep would climb on him while he was asleep. Wasnt into king of the mountain games.

I did 90° corners by placing all corners as 3 posts with bracing and cross supports. A post all by itself in a corner will pull out of the ground.
 
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I push T-posts down with the loader bucket. It's much quicker with a helper.

Of course, the type of ground may require something more meaningful than a loader bucket.
 
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i used red brand 48” non climb for the 10 acres across from my main property about 3-4 years ago. I used standard field fence for the main 20 acres of fencing and cross fencing. I like the look of the non climb better than the field fence, but money was real tight 20 years ago.

I will never include wood top piece on any fence. Ive seen horses chew that to pieces. I just run a top hot wire.

As to donkeys and sheep. My wife put a few sheep into pen with the donkey thinking the donkey would protect the sheep. Donkey ended up killing both sheep. The donkey was real friendly with people, but didnt like the way the sheep would climb on him while he was asleep. Wasnt into king of the mountain games.

I did 90° corners by placing all corners as 3 posts with bracing and cross supports. A post all by itself in a corner will pull out of the ground.

Thanks for the feedback. Any rusting on the red brand so far?

I've read that donkeys can kill sheep, and the book I'm reading recommends getting sheep specifically bred/raised for being guard animals, and also it's better to get them when they're young/to bond with the flock. As much as I love dogs I don't want to get/deal with a LGD for a handful of sheep.
 
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I'm 73 & fenced by myself. We're in Virginia. There are 100+ ways to fence but I did it like here with 1 exception. I used tractor & auger (Danuser w/9" auger&spare bit & cutters).
If you have that...no big deal.
I ran string line on property lines. Only help was my wife I had long pole & a good rifle/scope (yes...unloaded). Pole had a level on it. She would hold it & I'd guide her L&R...then stick in ground mark.
Then stakes & string. Start at corner, auger down 2-3ft with PT 9s. go out 10ft each way & auger & another PT9. Then a PT5 w/ galvanized dowel...everything straight&level (level ground)...then X'd heavy galv wire & ratchets.
Now I had starting point.
Then all fencing a PT9 every 50ft, four 7ft heavy T posts between every 10ft. Then red-top woven wire. I wired up a foot (we have horses...they're not going under 1 foot & bush hog can mow under. I wouldn't want even galvanized wire touching the ground.
Every transition I used 3 posts, even a small angle.
Now wire. I used two 2x4s holes drilled & carriage bolts, washers, nuts. Use fence for guide. Idea is clamped tight to wire fence now with come-a-longs & ratchets I pulled so tight you could play a tune on it. Galvanized staples hammered in.
Corner posts I poured in quikrete. Others a 7ft tamping iron. T posts pounded in w/ tamper (good exercise).
18ft gates were fine for me.
Very top used T post insulators & post insulators, white flat elec. ribbon with solar charger. A driven ground plus I connected ground to fence.
I've never fenced but figured it out.
 
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Thanks for the feedback. Any rusting on the red brand so far?

I've read that donkeys can kill sheep, and the book I'm reading recommends getting sheep specifically bred/raised for being guard animals, and also it's better to get them when they're young/to bond with the flock. As much as I love dogs I don't want to get/deal with a LGD for a handful of sheep.
It still looks new
 
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As said above, horses will chew wooden boards. Also run a top strand of electric with woven wire or the horses will lean over the woven wire to get at the greener grass on the other side. A 1000 pound horse leaning on woven wire will cause all sorts of problems.
 
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It looks like you aren’t getting close to your boundary. If you are have you had a boundary survey done.
 
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It looks like you aren’t getting close to your boundary. If you are have you had a boundary survey done.

The tree lines aren't necessarily the property boundaries. I do know exactly where the property lines are (all recently surveyed and marked). Only one side (the top in the picture) of the pasture will run on a property line, and I'm purposefully putting the fence about 3' off the line due to TN laws on fencing as well as to leave us room to maintain the backside of the fence.
 
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But an LGD can be so sweet!

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That black mouth cur dog brings back memories of the one we put down the other year after he got a lung infection. Ours was also yellow. Our latest 1 year old is a red BMC. BMC's are the best dogs ever!
 
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As said above, horses will chew wooden boards. Also run a top strand of electric with woven wire or the horses will lean over the woven wire to get at the greener grass on the other side. A 1000 pound horse leaning on woven wire will cause all sorts of problems.

One way to look at my proposed approach is it's running 4' no climb with a top board, which is a pretty common approach to add visibility and avoid horses pushing down on the top of the fence in the situation you describe.

We just have two other boards lower down to make it look "prettier".

Horses, donkeys, or sheep may chew boards, but the hope is with the low stocking rate we'll run they won't spend much time at the fenceline.
 
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One way to look at my proposed approach is it's running 4' no climb with a top board, which is a pretty common approach to add visibility and avoid horses pushing down on the top of the fence in the situation you describe.

We just have two other boards lower down to make it look "prettier".

Horses, donkeys, or sheep may chew boards, but the hope is with the low stocking rate we'll run they won't spend much time at the fenceline.
Four acres is not much space for a couple of horses and the grass will get greener on the other side when the grass gets short unless you use some electric fence.
 
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I have goats and goats are famous for escaping. I also have horses, so I wanted a fence that was horse safe. And worse of all, there are tons of wild hogs where I live, so keeping them out was a huge priority. I went with 2x4 horse fencing. I started with Red Brand because they had the best price before Covid at Lowes with my military discount. After Covid, they went way up in price, so I bought OK Brand.

I wanted Class 3 galvanized fencing, but couldn't find it, and when I did see it online, it was crazy expensive. Class 1 is expensive enough!!!

I have a 12-inch auger. I'm a Contractor that does a lot of repairs for homeowners. I'm convinced that the only way to keep a wooden post from rotting in the ground is to set it in concrete with the concrete coming up above the ground, so standing water isn't able to touch the wood. I've never pounded posts into the ground, and I don't know if water will sit next to the post after it rains. Backfilling a hole with dirt is the very worse way to set a post and the fastest to rot.

My wood posts are every 100 feet or less. My T-Posts are every ten feet or less. I use a Mansaver T-Post pounder to set my T-Posts. It runs off of a small pancake air compressor that I power from my little Honda Generator.

You want straight lines for fencing. The longer the line the better. Bends and turns require additional bracing, which is more work and more money.

Everything starts at the corners. Anywhere the fence turns, it's a corner. I set those posts first. Then I stretch barbed wire from the base of each post to create my straight line. I measure off for my wood line posts and set them. Then I measure for my T-Posts and install them.

Handling and unrolling the horse fence was my biggest challenge. I built a way to do this using my pallet forks and hay forks. Then I use two come alongs to pull the wire tight.

I'm at the point that it's pretty easy to build the fence by myself. I'm 60 years old and fairly active in decent shape. What takes me the most time and is the most work is clearing the trees. I won't do any fencing if I can't drive and mow along the side of it. Fortunately, when doing my property line, my neighbor felt the same way and allowed me to remove all his trees that I wanted removed.

Trees hate fences. They will attack and destroy a fence if they can. The only way to avoid tree damage is to remove the trees!!!

My fence is goat proof, hog proof and horse safe.


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Thanks @EddieWalker, I had hoped you'd chime in based on some of your threads on fencing I saw.

That pneumatic post pounder is nice. Didn't know those existed! I'm still young enough to somewhat enjoy the workout of pounding t-posts, but certainly not that many.

Lookng at pricing, the Bekaert is $2/ft which is cheaper than Red Brand (and I think OKBrand, but so far haven't found it locally). It has their special coating they guarantee for 30 years: Buy Horseman® 30 1348-2 12.5/13.5 ga 200' Horse Fence | Fence Products | Bekaert Fencing

The OK Brand has high-tensile no-climb fencing that's class 3. Our co-op carries their livestock panels but apparently not woven wire fencing. I haven't inquired about them ordering it to get pricing.

Fencing contractor didn't seemed concerned at all about following the curves of the driveway without any extra bracing. I'm a little concerned about that but they're an established company in this rural area so I would expect they know what they're doing /shrug.
 
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I should also add that I've been clearing trees along the planned fenceline on and off for a few months. We do want to keep a visual buffer with the neighbors (and the monster of a house currently being built two lots over) so there will be some trees overhanging the fence. Hoping I don't come to regret that.
 
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I made my own unroller and stretcher myself also. I build my fences the same way as eddie, but i manually pound my own posts. The trick is to i stall tposts right after spring thaw. If i wait until late summer….its like pounding thru concrete.

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When I was building fence, I found that the cost of materials was about half of what it cost to hire out the work. That might help in getting the post pounder cost past your CFO.

I did the rounded corners, but that really only matters if your horses are too loony to not run into the fence line.

I would NOT want to have boards on the inside of the fence. Over time, the nails and boards can come loose and create sharp hazards.

I'm not a fan of wire fencing, but I second the advice on adding a top electric wire. Our horses treat the fence line as "look but don't touch".
 
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That black mouth cur dog brings back memories of the one we put down the other year after he got a lung infection. Ours was also yellow. Our latest 1 year old is a red BMC. BMC's are the best dogs ever!
She's an Anatolian Shepherd. 100 lbs of muscle. She's considered fawn colored. Her sister is bigger and more of a red color.

We looked into the BMC as an option. Wife wanted a bigger dog bred to guard livestock. She heard Anatolians were good around chickens.
 
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I have never see horses having problem with 90 degree corner they will make their own trail and radius along the fence line corners just put your next post closer and cross brace it like the picture below, I would also suggest electric wire that way they really respect the fence and there will be zero chance of one getting stuck in the fence... I would also keep everything on the same side even if going in curves in and out.

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