Overheating Information

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LMTC

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This is intended to be a general fyi. Seem to be a lot of posts lately from people having to be overly gentle with their tractors because they are flirting with the red zone. I can only speak to the models and units we have processed, but that covers a lot of ground so here goes. The CLOSEST I have ever known one of our units to come to overheating when all components were in good repair involved a customer making a first mowing in July (i.e. tall stuff) on hills during a period of daytime temps that were consistently upper 90s and one or two broke 100. Also very, very high humidity. How much more can one challenge a cooling system? I am sure this customer kept the screen clean, etc., as he is very attentive to his equipment. The unit would get close to the red zone, but never got there. It had a good clean cooling system, probably the typical 30% blend we try to use in warmer months, and it did not overheat.

And this was before we learned how to thoroughly "summerize" a unit. We recently did some tests with a 2210D, new radiator, water jacket flushed, yada, yada. Ran 30% glycol and water and pulled a 5' rotary cutter into pasture that had not been cut this year. Cut in range 3, gear 2....so we weren't going slow. Cut for an hour, mid-day, temp right at 90, high humidity (70% or so). Radiator temps were in the 160-170* range, head temps 180-190 in various locations, 218 on the hottest part of the block we could find. We then (well after it cooled down completely) drained the coolant, flushed (it was clean) and put in a very specific blend of several products. Went out and did the same thing under conditions that were very similar. Radiator temps ranged from 130-160, and the highest temps on the head and block were 162 and 202 respectively. The single most remarkable fact is that in this second test the top of the radiator was registering app. 160* where water came from the engine, and app. 130* at the bottom hose where it re-entered. This solution was losing app. 30* as it traveled through the radiator.

Three major conclusions to be drawn:
1. if a tractor is showing a tendency to even approach overheating under anything other than extreme operating conditions, there is a problem. Fix it now, or expect more problems later.
2. there are things to be done to significantly improve cooling in the summer, so long as one is willing to make VERY sure the coolant gets drained and replaced with proper antifreeze protection before temps go below freezing.
3. even if you use the typical 30% glycol/water blend, a tractor in good operating condition will likely be just fine under all but the most extreme conditions.

In our experience, the #1 problem contributing INITIALLY (i.e., before you damage your head gasket) to overheating is lack of adequate flow in the radiator. Probably 25% or more of our units get new radiators during processing. Add to that the fact that some processors/refurbishers/pick-your-own-word seem to have a tendency to go heavy on the glycol (probably because the dark color looks good and hides the **** in the crummy radiator, and with this extra burden you have a formula for early and potentially extensive damage to the engine. Remember, glycol doesn't even work unless mixed with water, and pure water dissipates heat better than any blend of glycol, but pure water does not lubricate the pump nor prevent corrosion in the cooling system.
 
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Good information.

But what temp is considered overheating?

I have a YM1700 with a new temp gauge I put on.
Here in the Louisiana heat and humidity it will run somewhere between 210 - 230.

Is that too high?
 
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Thanks Len! I knew either you or "Tractor Ernie" would come through with some good input.
 
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Big thanks LMTC! From the weather conditions you described for the testing, they would tax my cooling system! Again thanks for sharing your knowledge.
 
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vietvet--I'm wayne, not Len. But I've been called worse, so no harm done.;)

meisal...yes, I would expect it to run cooler than that. You probably do not have full flow in the radiator, and/or your coolant is too thick. Do you know what % it is? If not, shame on you....you need to. If you're not worried about freezing reduce it to 20% and add water wetter.
 
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This is good info Meisal. I have a YM2000 and bush hogged with it this Saturday with the temp around 97 and the humidity in the mid 70s. It never got above 155*. What I do is to run the 70/30 mix and flush and replace the coolant every year. I don't go any higher because the tractor's kept inside and it dosen't get that cold in SC. I also check the radiator and screen often to make sure I've got the best possible air flow. I also installed a temp gauge so I can be sure what's going on. My experience is that these tractors tend to run on the cool side if the system is operating properly.
 
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Great Post Wayne!

There is so much detail in your testing and questions answered applicable to warm weather operation.

Thanks for taking the time to share.

Mark
 
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meisal said:
Good information.

But what temp is considered overheating?

I have a YM1700 with a new temp gauge I put on.
Here in the Louisiana heat and humidity it will run somewhere between 210 - 230.

Is that too high?

The OEM temp sending unit on your YM1700 is set to turn on the temp light @ 248 degrees + or - 5.4 degrees and turn it back off when it cools down to 233 degrees + or - 5.4 degrees.

Danny
 
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LMTC said:
vietvet--I'm wayne, not Len. But I've been called worse, so no harm done.;)

meisal...yes, I would expect it to run cooler than that. You probably do not have full flow in the radiator, and/or your coolant is too thick. Do you know what % it is? If not, shame on you....you need to. If you're not worried about freezing reduce it to 20% and add water wetter.

Sorry Wayne - my bad! :rolleyes: Len has nothing on you - you're both great!!!
 
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Even though I don't own a Yanmar anymore, I want to say THANKS for the information.

Travis R
 
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Thanks for the information, I to had been playing with the Red Zone on my YM-2000, It would get to about 220 and I would have to back it off to prevent over heating. I checked into getting my Raditor flushed and Punched out, doing the cost comparision I decided to buy a new Radiator. Now I can use my 5' Bush Hog in the South Louisiana heat and it doesn't get over 190, At this time I have the coolant at 50/50, I will change it to 30/70 and see if it even gets better.
 
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LMTC, What kind of thermometor do you use to check the tempture of the various parts such as the block, head and radiator? And where can a man buy one?
 
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LMTC, What kind of thermometor do you use to check the tempture of the various parts such as the block, head and radiator? And where can a man buy one?

Good luck getting a response out of him. He left in a rage over a year ago i think. You may be able to PM him but a quick check of his website says he now charges for consultation and he dosent even give repair advice.

Anyway on to your question. You want an infrared thermometer. Google it or look on amazon or ebay. One can be had at harbor freight tools for less than $20 on sale. Its a point and shoot type thing.
 
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You want an infrared thermometer. Google it or look on amazon or ebay. One can be had at harbor freight tools for less than $20 on sale. Its a point and shoot type thing.


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I have one, and check occasionally.

LMTC (first post above) shows the values you should find. My results have always been lower than his; I'm probably not working my tractors as hard as he is.
 
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Good luck getting a response out of him. He left in a rage over a year ago i think. You may be able to PM him but a quick check of his website says he now charges for consultation and he dosent even give repair advice.


Ahhhhh... my version is that Wayne was tired of the harassment from a few TBN members, and with his health problems it was hard to tolerate. He had a lot on his plate, plus he was a hard worker.

Our phone rings a minimum 20x a day with people asking for free advice from all over the U.S and it DOES eat a lot of your time, so I can see his point. Heck ! Half the callers don't even know the model# of their Yanmar or how many cylinders it has.

But like I tell everyone, some people do drugs, but we do Yanmars soooo.... my advice is free:D:D
If you love what you do, how can you call it work ?
Back on my head.
Ernie
 
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Ernie i was just referring to the final post i read that basically said something along the order of im tired of this and this will be my last post here. It to me sounded like he was mad, and in a rage from TBN posters yes. I dont want this to lead to another argument or anything im just pointing it out so the guy dosent wait for this 1 guy to respond who wont. I understand about the countless clueless calls. Even if all you do is refer them to this site you have to still answer and spell it out for them.
 
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I dont want this to lead to another argument or anything im just pointing it out so the guy dosent wait for this 1 guy to respond who wont. I understand about the countless clueless calls. Even if all you do is refer them to this site you have to still answer and spell it out for them.



DITTO !!:D:D
 
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Yep California showed the same thermometer i got. I think i paid like 12.99 on sale? Does that sound right Cali?
 
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The infra red thremometers are currently $20 at Harbor Freight.

Invaluable for those of us without gauges.

We were able to fix the over heating threat we had back in February (!) oin our tractor. Multiple back flushes (that brown water is the pits), a 70/30 mix and the water wetter (Redline or something) that someone recommended in my overheating thread. Kept screen clean. And eventually ran out of 3-4' broomsage to mow, so that helped too. :laughing:

All good here now.
 
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I appreciate someone like Wayne providing this info since we are basically on our own.

I will add one thing and it will vary by zone but 30% wont work were I am we need 50% to get the -25 or so we can see and it also provides a higher boiling point.

My 3810D for instance I know the cooling system and engine as well as I know the key board I am typing on now for reasons a few Yanmar guys here are familiar with.

Anyway it has add on gages for obvious reasons plus I like gages :D and a 160 thermostat. For instance after tilling a 1 acre garden with my 6' KK2 or mowing my 2 acres here at the shop on a 100 degree day it will hit 225-230 and never boil a drop over into the bottle other the the same amount it normally moves back and forth so I am calling that "normal".

I dont like it at all I hate to run anything on the edge of cooling ability and I plan on having a 3 or 4 core radiator built sooner or later probably this winter but work is work I didn't buy it to look at it fwtw.

For now I honestly dont think I have anything to worry about other than it is on the edge of its capacity to transfer the amount of heat I make it produce.

So to push it like I do I realize I need to augment the cooling capacity of what I believe is a moderately under built system to start with and I also realize these were not designed to be worked as hard as we work them. my 2c
 

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