newbie recommendations for 50+hp 4wd UT?

cowboydoc · Jul 10, 2003

Robert I have to disagree with you about the 5000 series. I think the not so good rep was from the earlier 5000's. Deere has made that tractor twice what it was when they first came out with the 00 series. Then they went to the 10 series and now they are on the 20 series. Many improvements in that tractor over the last 13 years. The cab alone that they used to put on was basically a box. Now it's as nice as any vehicle I've ever owned and very quiet.

I do agree that any of the NH you mentioned would do a fine job as well.

Robert_in_NY · Jul 10, 2003

I have no doubts that the 20 series is better then the earlier 5000 series but I have never seen a 5020 series in the grape fields or farmers fields yet. JD has to work hard to win back the vineyard farmers around here and so far I don't see the 5020's doing that yet. There are a lot of farmers buying new equipment around here and I am starting to see more Masseys on traditional JD farms. Notice though, I did not ever say they were bad machines, they just were not the best on the market and it is going to take some time to get their sales back in that hp range. As for the cabs, they are nice and roomy. There are only a few cabless tractors in the vineyards here and they are the old JD's and Fords from the pre cab days on narrow tractors. Now everyone gets the narrow tractors with cabs for running the sprayers.

Of all the new JD's I see in this area they are mostly the 4000's and 6000's and up. I would be curious to see JD's sales figures on their lineup and see how the 5020 series is selling around the country.
Take care.

fishman · Jul 10, 2003

You might consider getting two tractors, one very large older tractor for bushhogging duty (the JD 4010 and 4020 comes to mind) and a smaller newer tractor for earthmoving capabilities. It seems to me you only need the extra HP for mowing duties, the other chores might be taken care of just fine with a 30-40 hp compact tractor with hydrostat and other niceties.

Woodbeef · Jul 10, 2003

Aaahhhh..........the 5020s are only assembled in the USA. As the Deere spin-doctors put it"Assembled in the USA from parts sourced World-Wide" The engines in them are Hecho en Mexico!!

The only Deeres actually built in the USA from now on will be the larger 7020s (7220-7520 moving to Mannheim) 8020s and bend-in-the-middles.

cowboydoc · Jul 11, 2003

do you have a reference for that woodbeef? I was told from a couple engineers and from numerous salesman that isn't the case with the upper end 5000's and up.

Woodbeef · Jul 11, 2003

Yup,just look at the parts on them,and where they are made. used to be on their site,and I think it's in the brochures at one time too. You're Deere faithful,they do not like telling you about those things unless you put them on the spot. It's just like the 2000 series that Zetor built for Deere in the 90s........most dyed in the green wool Deeroids deny it today.

The 5005/6003 also are Hecho en Mexico.

The 5003 comes from the joint venture with L&T in India.

In the future if they ever start production we might see some of the Turkish tractors made at Hattat/Deere,unless Deere buys Belarus(MTZ,LTZ) first.

Sorry,did not mean to burst your bubble,but I thought these facts were common knowledge.

cowboydoc · Jul 11, 2003

I still disagree with you Woodbeef. You haven't said anything that disputes what deere and the dealers have to say. The dealers will even tell you that the compacts, the 03, etc. are not made here. They tell you exactly where they are made. There isn't anybody trying to hide anything. You are right about the 5003 and that's been brought up already. I also am not saying deere doesn't have alot of their stuff made by someone else and branded deere. I am talking about the upper end 5x20 series and the 6020 and 6015 series.

Woodbeef · Jul 11, 2003

Like I said take a look at the parts on the 5020s especially the ones with plates on them and you'll see what I mean. Better yet go to GA and look at the shipping boxes for the components. As for the 6015/20s you'll see that they are built in Mannheim Germany,with the engines coming from Saran France.

Tell you what if you still have trouble believing me on this then go over to @g-Online and on Machinery Talk post a question. Title it "Where are the JD 5020 series manufactured at". Then in the message body ask if the whole tractor is built in the US,and if not where do the components come from!! www.agriculture.com

fivestring · Jul 11, 2003

Ah, America the melting pot of John Deere, too....
My neighbor (62 years old) had JD's since a kid, sold them a few years back when he heard about them being made all over, especially Mexico. He now has an old 8N and a Kubota.
He works 'em both a lot. When his Kubota was down for service, he even used my Iseki!

cowboydoc · Jul 11, 2003

Well you are mostly right Woodbeef. I contacted JD corporate and they just got back to me. They claim that with exception of the 5x03 series the rest of the 5x20 series and 6420 and 6415 are both assembled and a majority of the parts are made here in the US. The advance clutch, transmission, and engine on the 6420 and 6415 are made in Waterloo. They said some of the other parts are made in other countries and put on the assembly line here. He stated majority, but not all of the parts, are the same as the 7000 series. The 20 series engine is made in Germany like you said and the transmission is from Italy. He stated there are a number of parts that are US and foreign machined. The cab is made here as well. The 7000, 8000, and 9000 series are all made and mfg. 100% US in Waterloo, IA.

Woodbeef · Jul 11, 2003

Me thinks you need to do some investigating yourself at your nearest Deere dealer,seeing as Deere & Company will not even tell you the truth!! Like I told you above just check the ID plates for info. Boy did they ever give you a load of totally useless info!! Deere has not made let alone assembled any utility tractors outside of assembling the 5000 series in the US since the early 80s with the 40 series. As a matter of fact if you check the Deere website it will tell you about the tractors that are made where in the press releases about each series. You'll also see that they moved the rest of the US engine production that was not already there down to Mexico except for the ones used in the US built series. The main parts for the existing 7020s including cabs,rear ends,trannies and engines have came from Europe since the beginig of the series,and now the whole range of smaller 7020s are moving totally to Mannheim to be built along sidce the full frame large 5020s ,6015s and 6020s. The black painted engines in the 5000/10/20 have always came from Mexico as does the whole 5005 series. The engines in all of the Deere utilies since the 50 series on which have always came from Mannheim have came from France.

Dahammer · Jul 11, 2003

I'm beginning to think that only thing JD makes in the USA is lots of $$$ /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

SageBrush · Jul 12, 2003

I don't think I own any equipment made in the US. Its always Italy, Korea, Japan, Mexico etc. Are there any real "100% made in the USA" tractors? Its probably impossible to have all US parts. Its rare to find any thing completly made in "North America" much less the USA. Even the Russian tractors I have are not 100% Russian. Deere is just like everybody else, except for the color....

On second thought, I think I saw a Deere green color on a big Valtra /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Woodbeef · Jul 12, 2003

Naw it was not deere green on the Valtra..... They give you a choice of three greens though. Valmet green,Valtra green metallic or Claas green.

Of course though if Deere does buy Valtra.................

glennmac · Jul 15, 2003

Buy American?

While that still resonates emotionally with many of us, at the same time we intellectually know that we are in a global economy and that the globalization of all products will increasingly be the case. We really can't Buy American for most things even if we want to.

But I wish the US Government would Buy American with our tax dollars. Stop giving it, lending it, and spending it overseas to "help" people who hate us anyway. Give it, lend it and spend it here, and only here, to help Americans in need.

frank_f15 · Jul 15, 2003

back in ww2 when we finally got into it the US. cranked up it's steel production to supply steel for war machines. if we were to get into ww3 WHAT STEEL MILLS WOULD WE CRANK UP?. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif this is not reall a tractor subject so i will let it go. sorry moderators /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

GAKubotaFan · Jul 15, 2003

If you are willing to take a Kubota the 6800 is an excellent tractor. It should be large enough to do what you want. It you need more power go with the 8200 or 9000. The 6800 and a loader can really do a lot of work. We are looking at one for our 1000 acre deer club.

glennmac · Jul 15, 2003

Thank your for the reminder, Frank. Before the moderators think I was a bad boy, I have to finish my thought: We Americans need those tax dollars so we can buy utility tractors in the 50 to 75 hp range.

Kyle_in_Tex · Jul 15, 2003

We have a 5420 and a 4310 in our family. The 5420 is a great machine. The 277 cu. in 4 cyl is naturally aspirated which is what we prefer due to fewer moving parts. I like turbos (like the 5320)but they can cost more money in the long run. I agree with your counterparts, stick to big name brands. They usually have better parts availability, better resale, etc... We almost bought Kubotas but the price on the JD's were competetive and the dealer is 8 blocks away. Our dealer takes good care of us.

Anyway, the 5420 is 4WD with 541 FEL. Power Reverser. We have the insulated driver's station with a canopy. Basically, all the bells and whistles except for the economy PTO option. It is a "boss hoss" and a dream to drive. Plenty of power for most any type of brush hogging. We use it for the big jobs and the 4310 for the "nimble" jobs. I highly recommend 4WD. It is far better to have it and not need it, than to need it, and not have it. Yes, they are expensive but they hold their value and should last a long time.

I use to be in the motorcycle business back in the 80's and importers were required by law to provide parts for 7 years after a given model year. Most manufacturers usually did better than this and I'm not sure if there are any laws that still govern this but I'm sure someone on this board will know. I guess the law of supply and demand will always be in effect.
Good luck with your research. It took us about 3 months of pouring over every small detail on 4 major brands before we ended up with what we have....Kyle