New garage time!

fatjay · Jul 13, 2020

That's good to know. It's going to be tricky getting the 3rd floor joists up to the second floor.

airbiscuit · Jul 13, 2020

I see a "Mechanic's Special" Telehandler in your future

fatjay · Jul 14, 2020

I was looking at bucket trucks today. I decided to try and build a 24' fixed pulley system though. The metal thing for finishing concrete that spanned the outside I"m going to stand up on end, put stabalizing feet on, 4' boom, and a pulley at the top. And possibly a winch at the bottom. That'll allow me to winch heavy loads up to the 2nd and 3rd floor. Definitely winch. I have one with 100' of cable.

airbiscuit · Jul 14, 2020

Given your current equipment lineup, I saw something like this in your future

fatjay · Jul 14, 2020

airbiscuit said:
Given your current equipment lineup, I saw something like this in your future

Something like that, but I think I'll make my own.

MossRoad · Jul 14, 2020

Yep. The guy that brought mine just followed me along with the skid as I walked my roof unloading them where I needed them. SOOOooooo nice compared to hauling them up a ladder over you shoulder. :thumbsup:

fatjay · Jul 14, 2020

I think today almost killed me. Up and down the scaffolding probably 50 times, lifting the joists and tracks into place was killer. I have to come up with a better system. They're about a thousand degree's sitting in the sun so we're wearing welding gloves, we tarped some so they were cooler. Well one slipped and took a chunk out of my hand. They are sharp.

The flanges for the end tracks have pre-drilled holes, but they're not all in the same place and they're just small enough so that if you do it wrong, they'll thread and push the joist out, so most of them have to be pre-drilled. There's barely any room to get the dril in there too.

But holy **** they feel solid. Screwed in and secure they do not move at all. We did the hardest part today, the partial's. 4x 24's and 5x 14'10"'s and 2 end tracks. I had to cut one end track to meet up with the 14's. I did doubles for the end that the track meets the 14's.

While a giant pain in the ***, I couldn't be happier with the product. Aside from the flange holes being a hair on the small side and flange cutout's being spaced inconsistently.

sodamo · Jul 14, 2020

Looks like a great system. Our house is all SIPs with galvanized C and H channel, angle, and flat stock. Did the interior with light gauge steel studs.
I’m not a big working in gloves person, but if I’m handling metal I wear gloves.

Kyle_in_Tex · Jul 14, 2020

Those look beefy. Hope your hand gets better quickly.

fatjay · Jul 15, 2020

They're 12ga, heaviest they offer. Self tapping screws fail at about 30% with spun heads, and getting them out is a pita. I'm not thrilled with the screws I got.

Hand is already mostly stopped bleeding, clean cut, but hurts like **** every time I touch it. Bandaids aren't the most effective when you're putting on and taking off gloves.

sodamo · Jul 15, 2020

When I built my carport earlier this year I got additional screws

#12 X 3/4'' Stainless Hex Washer Head Self Drilling Screws, (1 pc) 41 Stainless Steel Self Tapping Choose Size and Qty: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

They come different lengths

I initially spun off heads until I adjusted the clutch on the drill/driver.

dragoneggs · Jul 15, 2020

fatjay said:
They're 12ga, heaviest they offer. Self tapping screws fail at about 30% with spun heads, and getting them out is a pita. I'm not thrilled with the screws I got.

Hand is already mostly stopped bleeding, clean cut, but hurts like **** every time I touch it. Bandaids aren't the most effective when you're putting on and taking off gloves.

I was just about to ask you about the screws...

On cuts... I recently did a number on my pointer finger being lazy and stupid in the shop. Worst by far I have cut myself so I can emphasize. Still not right after 3 weeks and I think it is going to take several months to get back to normal!

fatjay · Jul 15, 2020

I have those but I have #10's. A bucket of 5000. They work pretty good unless it's a double plate not pre-drilled. I have to drill down tot he last plate or it snaps the head.

ovrszd · Jul 15, 2020

Self drilling/tapping screws are great when everything is perfect.

fitter1 · Jul 15, 2020

Why are you using metal?

chim · Jul 15, 2020

Take care of that cut. Just got a sales circular with this Milwaukee tool and thought of your " There's barely any room to get the dril in there too". RW Industries has kits on sale for $299.

Milwaukee(R) M12 FUEL™ Installation Drill/Driver - YouTube

If you were a little closer I'd stop by to help and bring one of these along. Our sheet metal guys use them all the time. This is one of the smaller ones that I used when I built my shed:

sodamo · Jul 15, 2020

chim said:
Take care of that cut. Just got a sales circular with this Milwaukee tool and thought of your " There's barely any room to get the dril in there too". RW Industries has kits on sale for $299.

Milwaukee(R) M12 FUEL Installation Drill/Driver - YouTube

If you were a little closer I'd stop by to help and bring one of these along. Our sheet metal guys use them all the time. This is one of the smaller ones that I used when I built my shed:

That is one handy tool. Good friend had one, modified it with a 12vdc winch. He used it to build his house, then I used to build mine. Awesome especially when used in combination with my tractor pallet forks (mounted upside down for added height.

fatjay · Jul 15, 2020

fitter1 said:
Why are you using metal?

It was the easiest way to span 24 with no posts. It’s also probably the cheapest.

EddieWalker · Jul 15, 2020

fatjay said:

I've never worked with metal in building anything like this, so this is very interesting for me. I remember you saying that you have an inspector and you are under Code for your area, so that tells me that this is acceptable framing for what you are using. It just surprises me that those self tapping screws are load bearing. I'm used to joist hangers and approved fasteners for each hole in the joist hanger.

This is really getting exciting!!!

fatjay · Jul 15, 2020

EddieWalker said:
I've never worked with metal in building anything like this, so this is very interesting for me. I remember you saying that you have an inspector and you are under Code for your area, so that tells me that this is acceptable framing for what you are using. It just surprises me that those self tapping screws are load bearing. I'm used to joist hangers and approved fasteners for each hole in the joist hanger.

This is really getting exciting!!!

I suspect it's why there are so many screws. The end cap also protrudes into the c channel of the joist and sits on the bottom for added security. Finished those brackets. According to the site i'm 25lb dead load, 50lb live load, which is above the 10/40 requirement for residential buildings.

These things are blazingly hot. and they seem way above 90lb, I think they're closer to 200. We're going to weigh them tomorrow. we're wearing welding gloves while handling them and even then the heat transfers through after a few minutes. Getting them up there is another challenge. I'm on top of the scaffolding and the other guy is passing them up to me. It's painful in every sense of the word. And if my arm or leg touches them I know it immiediately, i've gotten a few burns already. I'm happy with them but I'll be happier when it's done.

We got 5 done today working from 10-4, went through 6 water bottles between the two of us. One of the walls was leaning in which was easy to discover when we were putting them in. Since the end caps are c channel but not hard 90's at the top and bottom, it's hard to get them in tight and hold them in place, so we started using ratchet straps to bring them in tight. Really made it easier.