mig welder preferences

   / mig welder preferences #21  
I really like my Esab C-170, 380 v/3ph, but that is not really an option for most of you.:D I have a local dealer and can get everything that I need for it.

Mike
 
   / mig welder preferences #22  
Don't get too hung up on the infinite voltage control machines. in the hands of a new or inexperienced welder, too much adjustablity can sometimes cause more problems than they solve... however, if you know what you are doing, they can be a bonus. I have never wanted for more adjustability in my welders. I can tune with the finite voltage taps and the wire feed speed for my needs. I am partial to the Miller line, and have a 130, a 210, and an older 200. If you are looking to do structural (trailer) at all, I'd definitely skip the 110 volt units, and be looking at least at the 200 amp minimum machines.

You really can't go wrong with Miller, Lincoln, or Esab. look at what is sold and supported locally, and if you have a good welding supply dealer, buy from them. they will be able to handle all your service and consumable needs better than any box store.
 
   / mig welder preferences #23  
What are you guys using for a mig welder, what are your recommendations, specific brands to buy or stay away from? should I go for a 110 or 220 model. How much amperage do I really need? I hate to spend money on too much or too little welder. I will be using it for general repairs around the home and on my tractor. I would also like to fabricate items like trailers etc... Any good sources for buying this welder? Thanks for all your imput.:confused:

I'm looking for a MIG welder myself, probably 220V, 150 amp or more.

If I were to start fabricating trailers, I'd be darn sure to include a lot of gussets and other stiffeners in my design to be sure, with my limited welding skills, the thing held together.
 
   / mig welder preferences #24  
I currenty have a lincoln 140 and have been really impressed with what I can do. Sometimes a bit slower than the larger units but it beat the heck out of my Harbor Freight flux core machine. When I can get approval from the better half I will be moving to something like the lincoln power mig 255xt or 350mp.
 
   / mig welder preferences #25  
I would also put a vote in for the Hobart Handler 210. Lots of power in a compact size. Miller is great too but it's a Hobart with more bells and whistles and if you're not using it on a regular basis, I doubt the extras would make much difference. If would want to weld anything heavy, skip the 110V.
 
   / mig welder preferences #26  
This is one thing that is wrong with today's society. Thinking bigger is always better. Americans can be so full of hot air these days (sometimes I wonder if there is anything between there ears :rolleyes:). Every time I go to a welding supply dealer, I always look at the welders that they have displayed. When the salesman comes over to me, I always think he has me pegged as a sucker that bigger is always better when it comes to welders and how many amps they put out. First thing out of my mouth is, I'm just looking. Which most of the times, goes in one ear and out the other with them. But they never listen and try to sell me a very high amperage welder. They opened the door, so I asked them, when was the last time that they have welded with that welder that they are trying to sell me? Most will say its been awhile or they have never used it before. And of course, I say, and your trying to sell me a welder that you don't even use yourself. I walk off while laughing and shacking my head. Knowing that there sales pitch just went down the drain. They say, in there defense, what do you intend on welding on? What thickness and so on? I just keep on walking up to the counter to get what ever I went there for (most of the time, its replacing my empty bottle or getting wire). This is one of the reasons why I don't shop at my local airgas welding supply store anymore. I get my torch and welding bottles replaced at tractor supply store. I even buy my wire there (hobart wire). All I had to do was pay a $19 upgrade fee and exchange my airgas bottles for the TSC bottles and pay for the content in the bottle.

As for bigger is always better. That is not true. I have a Lincoln Pro 100 mig welder with shielding gas (argon/CO2). Most will say 100 amps is too small to use welding thicker steel. I say hog wash. Most would be surprised at what I have welded while using this welder. I have welded thin sheet metal on muscle cars (quarter panels, door skins, rocker panels tail light panels ect.). I've welded mounting brackets on rearends before, made solid motor mounts, and welded together 4-link suppensions as well. As for my tractor, I've built a canopy for it, built a 1200 lbs rear ballist for the three point and built a 7 ft road grader for it that I use to make extra money on the side. Even repaired my 7 ft rock rake/landscaping rack that I broke while using my tractor. I've also built a tooth bar for my front end loader bucket that will pickup almost 2500 lbs. The last thing that I've built using my 100 amp welder, is a waste oil burning stove. I'm not going to hunt down all of the threads that I have started while building the items that I have listed above. But I will say, I've welded very thin automotive sheet metal and up to 3/4 " steel with my Lincoln 100 amp mig welder. The kicker here is how you design your project that you are welding and the technique that you use to weld. There are more factors that play a role here but I will not go into detail. Now, the downside for using a low amp mig welder and welding thicker steel. The technique that I use, I have to turn my wire speed up a tad more and I have to slow down my molten puddle of wire. Plus it has a lower duty cycle. I end up using a little more wire, but it gets the job down. And I have never had a weld brake. If someone want to pick and try to punch holes in my way of welding by using a small amperage welder. So be it, I will not argue about it, period. I know what will work and what wont work. Been there and done it, got the t-shirt and wore the t-shirt out (its now a shop rag :D).

Some of the comments on this thread even makes me wonder if some of these folks even know how to weld or even know how to use there welder(s) (kind of scary :confused:). Who's building the titanic here? (Not me, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to weld.)

Tag, your it. :D
 
   / mig welder preferences #27  
There are some who will insist that a small welder cannot do the job--about that I agree 100% with "Let's Roll" (I built my roll over box with a $100 stick cheepo). However, there is a frustration to it too. I remember the welds that I had to grind out, because the bird doo that the welder put down just before the thermal protect shut it down for 15-25 minutes, because I had exceeded the duty cycle. :mad:

The job can be done, and done well, with a small welder, but it will be easier, faster, and neater if you have more power to put it down. With the wire feed you can up the wire feed and slow down to increase the size and temp of your puddle. Therefore, the best thing is to analyze what you will be welding, your budget, and the time constraints of your work, and then decide which machine will best help you to get the job done.

Mike
 
   / mig welder preferences #28  
It just scares the living daylights outta me when I hear people tell about using pukey little MIGs to weld up big projects. I'm sure most of you have (or should have ) seen the pictures by not so highly skilled "welders" that built motorcycles and trailers with these little machines.
I just cannot stress enough the importance of having a big enough machine to handle any possible application. You may be able to pick up the gun and make pretty welds right off the bat only to find out at the most possible moment that the penetration amounted to squat. Cleanliness,fitment and deep root passes are critically important with MIG. It is often said that "Stick is more art then science and MIG is more science then art". Please be sure to study your science before you worry about how good that weld looks.
 
   / mig welder preferences #29  
MJpeterson is in Poland.....so.... Tag:)


Letsroll, I am just guessing here but your Lincoln 100 is not your first welder nor the welder you learned on???? Right??


In Dale1955 first thread on this subject a few days ago I recommended 220v machines just because they have a wider spectrum of projects that can be accomplished without having to work that 110v machine to it's limit more frequently.
 
   / mig welder preferences #30  
Running out to buy a Home Despot hot glue gun won't teach you how to weld.

FAR better to sign up for night classes at the local voc tech, take it seriously, make local contacts, see what is used 'n abused at the school, maybe get a lead on good used equipment there.

OK, so you'll get a bit spoiled on 300 amp rigs that you won't be able to afford, but you MIGHT learn the difference between running a pretty surface bead and meaningful penetration.
 
   / mig welder preferences #31  
I have seven welders but the one I use the most is probably the old Century 130 TIG. For the big stuff, I just break out the old 230A buzz box. For pretty stuff, I use the Esab 140 MIG. There's preheat methods that will make a small welder do big jobs but you still can't get away from the poor duty cycle on smaller units. It takes longer to weld with a smaller unit and if you're welding for income, duty cycle pays the bills.

You'll need to sit down and think about the types of welding you intend to do. Steel and Aluminum require different setups. If you might do aluminum trailers, then get an inverter welder that is switchable between AC/DC. Aluminum welding takes lots of power too so 240v should be a starting point.
 
   / mig welder preferences #32  
Letsroll, I am just guessing here but your Lincoln 100 is not your first welder nor the welder you learned on???? Right??
No, my Lincoln Pro 100 was not the welder that I learned on. But it was my first welder many years ago. For many years, I had means or resources that I could get in contact with to use there welder if I needed to. After getting tired of using other peoples, my employers welder(s). I finally decided to buy my own welder. So, I purchased a Lincoln Pro 100 for my needs (auto restoration and drag racing). I've worked many years dealing with metal, so I knew what it took to bond two pieces of metal together. For welding, I learned how to weld with not a welder but a torch. I know your going to laugh at me, but I learned how to weld with a torch and a coat hanger. Most people laugh when I tell them that I can weld with a torch. They always call me a cheap skate (and of course a back yard hillbilly) thinking I don't own a mig welder. And of course, I tell them I have a mig welder and they ask how I learned how to weld with a torch. I learned the old school ways. Back in the days when hard working folks could not afford a mig welder. So, they used what they had on hand, a torch and coat hangers (ok, you can stop laughing now).

Many years ago, I used to work at AFCO: Drag Racing making parts for dragsters, circle track, dirt track and sprint cars. Now, I'm in the machining industry (engine components).

OK, who's turn is it now. Tag, your it. :D
 
   / mig welder preferences #33  
For welding, I learned how to weld with not a welder but a torch. I know your going to laugh at me, but I learned how to weld with a torch and a coat hanger. Most people laugh when I tell them that I can weld with a torch. OK, who's turn is it now. Tag, your it. :D

Well you won't get me to laugh at ya. I used to do the same thing. I would sand the coating off the hanger and start in gas welding with it and did some fine welds with it If I must say so myself.

I do basically all types of welding here. Not a real fan of the small cheap Mig welders due to problems they have with the wire feed systems but if you can afford a good quality Miller Mig I'm sure you won't be disappointed. All my shop is Miller and it's never let me down. I just sold a Miller Mig that was built in 1972. It still worked perfectly. I just wanted to upgrade to a newer model. Actually my older brother bought the unit so that will tell you how good it was. I've owned it for 14 years and the only part I replace on it was a small trigger switch on the torch that cost $22. 00. Just my 2 cents worth speaking from experience.
 
   / mig welder preferences #34  
I have a miller 135XP (mig) and a Thunderbolt 225 ACDC stick. Both my welders have been great, but if i was going to do it all over again id go for a Millermatic 252. The cost would have been about the same, plus i would have ended up with a mig that suits my welding style a little better. Now when i weld anything heavy, I tack with the mig, then finish up with the stick. YOu can never have too much power( within reason). When i bought mine, the salesman was leading me towards the 220V machines. I figured he was just trying to make a bigger sale, but no, he was right. We laughed about it when i was back a year later buying my stick:eek: Those little migs don't have the power to weld heavy steel and get good fusion even on properly prepared joints. If you do try, your going to be running it wide open, which will max out your duty cycle in a hurry.

I recommend a welding night course. You;ll learn the proper way to fit up joints, and get to try out some machines to see what you like.

When i learned in school, we started with the welding with the torch, then brazing, then stick, and finally mig. You can make a really pretty looking weld with a mig, but it has no strength. People think mig is easy, and it is to a certain extent, but skill is required to get a sound joint.
 
   / mig welder preferences #35  
I have a miller 135XP (mig) and a Thunderbolt 225 ACDC stick. Both my welders have been great, but if i was going to do it all over again id go for a Millermatic 252.
I recommend a welding night course. You;ll learn the proper way to fit up joints, and get to try out some machines to see what you like.

You can make a really pretty looking weld with a mig, but it has no strength. People think mig is easy, and it is to a certain extent, but skill is required to get a sound joint.

I agree with your recommendations on the Millermatic 252. I have the Millermatic 251 which is a year older than the 252 and it can weld up to a 1/2 inch thick in one pass. It's basically took over where the stick welding used to be in my shop. I don't agree with you when you say Mig isn't strong. As a matter of fact I've never heard of anyone stating that in my life. In fifteen years welding basically everything from heavy equipment to structural steel I've never had a weld facture with the Mig process.

Even now when I go mobile with my Miller Trailblazer 302 I use the Mig process with it on site because of it's speed, appearance and strength. Arc welding will never be replaced and there will always be a need for it but I think Mig is the best advancement in welding since welding has been around.
 
   / mig welder preferences #36  
I agree with your recommendations on the Millermatic 252. I have the Millermatic 251 which is a year older than the 252 and it can weld up to a 1/2 inch thick in one pass. It's basically took over where the stick welding used to be in my shop. I don't agree with you when you say Mig isn't strong. As a matter of fact I've never heard of anyone stating that in my life. In fifteen years welding basically everything from heavy equipment to structural steel I've never had a weld facture with the Mig process.

Even now when I go mobile with my Miller Trailblazer 302 I use the Mig process with it on site because of it's speed, appearance and strength. Arc welding will never be replaced and there will always be a need for it but I think Mig is the best advancement in welding since welding has been around.

I, too thought that was a foolish statement. I've heard it before, but not from credible sources. But then welding threads tend to get like engine oil debates.
 
   / mig welder preferences #37  
I think the idea of MIG not being strong comes from the idea that pretty makes a good weld.
I see so many guys that go out and buy a purple welder,spend a few minutes playing with the knobs,and see welds fail. Properly prepped and executed,MIG will be as strong as arc,but most guys won't take the time to learn this....they wanna build things!! I personally believe that if you're gonna spend time learning,you might as well learn stick and save a bunch of money and time screwing around with feeds,liners,clogged tips,gas pressure......blah blah blah.
 
   / mig welder preferences #38  
I think the idea of MIG not being strong comes from the idea that pretty makes a good weld.
I see so many guys that go out and buy a purple welder,spend a few minutes playing with the knobs,and see welds fail. Properly prepped and executed,MIG will be as strong as arc,but most guys won't take the time to learn this....they wanna build things!! I personally believe that if you're gonna spend time learning,you might as well learn stick and save a bunch of money and time screwing around with feeds,liners,clogged tips,gas pressure......blah blah blah.

You might be right on that statement. I never looked at it that way. Arc might be the simplest way to go for some. I've never had a liner or feed problem with my Millers. Haven't had much trouble with the Wing either :D Nice looking bike you have there!
 

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   / mig welder preferences #39  
I think the idea of MIG not being strong comes from the idea that pretty makes a good weld.
I see so many guys that go out and buy a purple welder,spend a few minutes playing with the knobs,and see welds fail. Properly prepped and executed,MIG will be as strong as arc,but most guys won't take the time to learn this....they wanna build things!! I personally believe that if you're gonna spend time learning,you might as well learn stick and save a bunch of money and time screwing around with feeds,liners,clogged tips,gas pressure......blah blah blah.

Thats what i was getting at ( maybe i wasnt clear in my post). Of course mig can be strong. I was refering mostly to amateurs who use small migs at the high end of their rating and dont believe in or know about proper joint prepairation, but can leave the prettiest looking bead you'd ever see:rolleyes:. Is it strong? Dont know, but i wouldnt chance it. Mig is the most common process for production welding.Do i think it has value and is a sound process when properly executed? You BET!!! . Ive welded things that take some of the worst vibrations possible (Rock Crushers) with mig. No problems.The fundamentals are equal or even more important with mig.Just cause its point and shoot, doesnt make it foolproof.
 
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   / mig welder preferences #40  
Thats what i was getting at ( maybe i wasnt clear in my post). Of course mig can be strong. I was refering mostly to amateurs who use small migs at the high end of their rating and dont believe in or know about proper joint prepairation, but can leave the prettiest looking bead you'd ever see:rolleyes:. Is it strong? Dont know, but i wouldnt chance it. Mig is the most common process for production welding.Do i think it has value and is a sound process when properly executed? You BET!!! . Ive welded things that take some of the worst vibrations possible (Rock Crushers) with mig. No problems.The fundamentals are equal or even more important with mig.Just cause its point and shoot, doesnt make it foolproof.

Ah now Jason we're on the same page :D Well put sir ;)
 

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