M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed

   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #21  
Hi Team, I'm a Kubota fan, no doubt, I own an L series and love it. I recently decided to add an M7060HDC 12 to the fleet. The machine suits my needs perfectly, fit and finish are what we expect from Kubota. The issue is that I have demoed 3 NEW machines, as well as an 8560, and it appears they all have the same issue. When applying the brakes initially, and during operation the pedal will bottom out on the floor board. It feels just like when you were a kid, in your first new, old, chevy, you remember, the one that needed the master cylinder replaced. You can pump them right back up, but the initial activation of the pedal, sporadically, drops to the floor. One dealer said they needed to be bled, did so but the problem persisted, 2 other dealers are actively seeking answers. The machines have all been sitting idle all winter, that is apparent, the first one was dead as a doornail the first time I went to see it. The issue has been documented, and I am awaiting a definitive answer about what could be causing this issue, I am ready to pull the trigger but am leery of an impending problem. I was wondering if anyone could add some insight. I feed round bales on a feed row that requires operating on hills near my barn, the issue was unnerving when backing down a slope with a bale in the hugger and having the brake pedal drop to the floor. I was able to pump them back up, but it's just not right. What's going on?? For the record, I test drove a New Holland T4.75 today, (I know Blasphemy), and have to say it's a solid #2, the lower output hydraulic pump is apparent in loader operation, but not a deal breaker! I don't need a sunroof, but it is cool, as is the kid seat.
I've ran into this on 2 machines, we never really found a problem or solution. We pulled apart the brakes measured everything and put them back together and they seemed to work properly afterwards. The only thing I can figure is it was an air pocket that wouldn't bleed out.

Brian
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed
  • Thread Starter
#22  
I've ran into this on 2 machines, we never really found a problem or solution. We pulled apart the brakes measured everything and put them back together and they seemed to work properly afterwards. The only thing I can figure is it was an air pocket that wouldn't bleed out.

Brian

Thanks for your insight. I am unsure how to proceed. What do think I can expect, what would you do??
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #23  
I might suggest it to your dealer and see what they think and possibly have them suggest it to their field service rep so they can get reimbursed on the warranty side.
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed
  • Thread Starter
#24  
I might suggest it to your dealer and see what they think and possibly have them suggest it to their field service rep so they can get reimbursed on the warranty side.

The dealer I'm working with now has bled them, and is working with Kubota now. It is still His machine, he knows I will take it upon resolution of the brake issue and I believe he will do his best to solve the problem, I just fear it's not going to be a clear "fix", and I'll be taking a chance on a known issue in a brand new machine.
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #25  
Our field service rep is who suggested it to us after we had exhausted all other options and he had mentioned that he had run into it before and they did the same thing we ended up doing, just taking it apart and putting it back together.
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed
  • Thread Starter
#26  
Our field service rep is who suggested it to us after we had exhausted all other options and he had mentioned that he had run into it before and they did the same thing we ended up doing, just taking it apart and putting it back together.

How much of a "Nightmare Scenario" is the procedure you are suggesting? Would the machine be 100% afterwards?

Thanks again!
Patrick
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #27  
It would absolutely be 100% afterwards. It's not a terrible job but it does take some time.
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #28  
How much of a "Nightmare Scenario" is the procedure you are suggesting? Would the machine be 100% afterwards?

Thanks again!
Patrick

Any scenario that does not involve it being perfect when you drive it off the lot is a nightmare scenario. Kubota has to get to the bottom of this and make it right. It might be well to make it absolutely clear to Kubota USA that this circumstance is go-no-go for a sale, that there are a bunch of machines with the problem and that it has become public knowledge. It should have "burning ship priority" within the company. Surely the dealers are doing that quietly.
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed
  • Thread Starter
#29  
It would absolutely be 100% afterwards. It's not a terrible job but it does take some time.

Thanks very much for your insight Brian. I feel better about 7060's now!
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed
  • Thread Starter
#30  
Any scenario that does not involve it being perfect when you drive it off the lot is a nightmare scenario. Kubota has to get to the bottom of this and make it right. It might be well to make it absolutely clear to Kubota USA that this circumstance is go-no-go for a sale, that there are a bunch of machines with the problem and that it has become public knowledge. It should have "burning ship priority" within the company. Surely the dealers are doing that quietly.

You are 100% correct! I hope it is receiving the right attention, behind the scenes.
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #31  
I don't have a 7060, but my 6060 is around 2 years old and has never had any braking issues.

I hope Kubota and your dealer will resolve this quickly for you.

Good Luck!
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #32  
Thanks for your insight. I am unsure how to proceed. What do think I can expect, what would you do??

Buy from the quality dealer. Don't confuse price and value. The right dealer can make a bad situation good while the wrong dealer can make an everyday task unpleasant. I once broke a BIG u-joint on a baler when I lived in the middle of nowhere and had 2200 potential bales raked up. My nearest and only dealer said to start driving and he would figure something out before I got there. He yanked a whole pto shaft off a new machine, tossed in the truck as I rolled by and said we'll figure the rest out later. 2200 bales saved and it started to rain on the last few bales.


How much of a "Nightmare Scenario" is the procedure you are suggesting? Would the machine be 100% afterwards?

Thanks again!
Patrick


My experience with Kubota has been better than great. They treat you as you would want to be treated, solve the problem regardless of where it takes them and pick up the tab.
 
Last edited:
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed
  • Thread Starter
#33  
My experience with Kubota has been better than great. They treat you as you would want to be treated, solve the problem regardless of where it takes them and picks up the tab.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, My first Kubota has been a pleasure for 12 years. I have nothing but praise, that's why I was shocked when this occurred at the "other" dealer. When it happened at my favorite dealer, I almost ****! The owner was in the cab with me when the pedal dropped the first time and is determined to get to the bottom of it. The first machine that this occurred on, (that I had money down on), had the brakes bled, waited overnight in shop, still NG. I withdrew my down payment, and was advised that the machine had healed overnight, if I was still interested. I wont be going back there...
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #34  
JWR, FWA engagement when braking has been around since the 1990's on tractors that used electric switch to engage front axle and had brake light switches in the brake pedals. Simply closed the FWA circuit when you pushed both brakes down.
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #35  
JWR, FWA engagement when braking has been around since the 1990's on tractors that used electric switch to engage front axle and had brake light switches in the brake pedals. Simply closed the FWA circuit when you pushed both brakes down.

Appreciate the info. I had JD for 10 years and MF since 2011. All of mine had mechanical lever engagement of the FWD and none had brake lights.
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #36  
Reading through these posts, It brought forward a few thoughts. I remember stopping by the dealers when they were assembling and prepping My tractor. Once they had it all together they were out in the yard and working the tractor in both directions (left and right) and working through the brake system they were probably doing that for 45 minutes or longer, So, perhaps your dealer in their pre-delivery process may have overlooked or perhaps didn't do it long enough to get the system totally purged. I have never had any issue with my 7060's brakes.

Cheers

Roger
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed
  • Thread Starter
#37  
Reading through these posts, It brought forward a few thoughts. I remember stopping by the dealers when they were assembling and prepping My tractor. Once they had it all together they were out in the yard and working the tractor in both directions (left and right) and working through the brake system they were probably doing that for 45 minutes or longer, So, perhaps your dealer in their pre-delivery process may have overlooked or perhaps didn't do it long enough to get the system totally purged. I have never had any issue with my 7060's brakes.

Cheers

Roger

Thanks Roger, I appreciate your contribution. I am feeling more confident that this will be sorted out! Do you love your 7060? - I already know the answer!
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #38  
I do like it!! For it's intended purpose, mowing wellsite accesses and the occasional blading / grading job it is a nice little tractor, I love the E PTO system, as well as the overdrive as I put a mile or two on travelling to different sites. I also installed creeper gears for when I use My rototiller just for a little better gear selection, as well I think it also adds to resale value. I have yet to use the loader on it. as I have one on my M108, I purchased a couple of "pork Chop" aluminum toolboxes ( the type that go along the inside of truck box and up to the wheel wells)and lightly framed them in and mounted to existing loader brackets. they then act as front fenders, and now have lockable stowage for tools, grease gun, mower expendables etc. Takes less than a minute to mount them, 1 pin.

Cheers

Roger
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #39  
Your description historically would indicate air in the brake system or need for adjustment. IMO a pressure bleeder would do a better job to insure no air in the system. If a technician takes both hyd & mech apart, sees nothing broken, puts it back together and the problem is truly fixed, then there was air in the system or some adjustment not correct to begin with and subsequently resolved during assembly. My 2014 m7060 hdc12 @ 250 hrs. has no brake issues.
 
   / M7060 HDC12 New Owner, or recent shopper info needed #40  
I'm speechless. :)
 

Marketplace Items

2021 Delta Manufacturing 30ft 10-Ton T/A Gooseneck Flatbed Equipment Trailer (A55851)
2021 Delta...
2023 CATERPILLAR D5 LGP HIGH TRACK CRAWLER DOZER (A60429)
2023 CATERPILLAR...
2019 INTERNATIONAL LT625 TANDEM AXLE SLEEPER (A59904)
2019 INTERNATIONAL...
MARATHON 20KW GENERATOR (A58214)
MARATHON 20KW...
2013 Ford F-150 4x4 Crew Cab Pickup Truck (A55852)
2013 Ford F-150...
UNUSED FUTURE PG72-72" HYD PLATE GRABBER (A60432)
UNUSED FUTURE...
 
Top