Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #481  
One of my tacos the other Was before they even named them Tacomas I owned had manual locking hubs no air, no cruise, power nothing 4 cylinder 5 or later 6 speeds. Besides what I consider functional options, Plain basic but pricy trucks I buy these days have to have basic cruise, auto locking hubs, and AC and I'm happy with it for creature comforts.
 
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/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #482  
I just got back from a week in South Florida. Rented a Dodge 2500 4x4 from Hertz. ..Pretty cheap rental @350.00 ish for that time. ..Anyway..it was a fairly basic Big Horn package.
PW, PL, tilt cruse, Bluetooth radio ..Thats about it.
..After a couple days in that truck..I about had enough of it. Not sure if it was the poor comfort of the seats, or the way the interior just felt cheap.. but it made me appreciate my trucks at home more than ever.

Well, if it was a “Dodge”, it must have been at least 13 years old.
No wonder you disliked it. Dodge ain't built a truck since 2012.

Big Horn package is pretty low on their tiers of luxury compared to a Laramie.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #483  
So, on the Ram 4wd; I dont ever use 4w auto, and maybe I just dont understand it? I use 2wd or I engage 4wd hi or 4wd lo. I tried 4 auto once, and it certainly isn't the same as 4 hi. Im guess 4 auto means 2wd, and then it auto senses slippage and engages? I dont have any use for that. I can see Im in loose sand or mud, and engage 4 hi. Maybe its an ice/snow thing?
Yes, it senses slippage and computer locks the transfer case up and sends power to front axle. It’s mostly to give you 4WD capability if your rear wheels start slipping while cutting down on front tire wear.
Works great on semi-snow covered roads without the front tires bucking when you have good traction.
You ain’t got that problem in FL.
My 2022 F150 has something similar with "modes" but it also has a 4 hi and 4 lo button, which is how I use it.

I just dont see why you would want to drive around in 4 auto on the road?

Believe it or not, my big Challenger has “auto 4WD” and has “auto locking diffs”, too.
I generally don’t use them. I prefer fully locked, or not at all.

Of course it has the full lock 4WD and full lock front/rear diffs, too. It was an option that came with a package on the tractor with other features.

I was using locked 4WD and “auto locking diffs” (front & rear) for extra traction while pulling a 38,000lb baler up a steep hill. The ratcheting of the auto locking diffs intermittently locking/unlocking was un-nerving. I mostly just use full lock, or not at all.

The auto 4WD actually works pretty good and saves front tire wear,
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #484  
My 2013 F150 interior is not falling apart at 280k miles. My 97 Ram had cracks in the dash and pieces of the drivers seat cushion coming out at 150k or less. That and the crappy transmission I had replaced twice is why I got away from Ram. Not sure about the newer ones, but I'd be too skeptical to take a chance.
I can assure you Ram has come a long way since 1997.
Back in 1997 I was a Ford guy. I had a small fleet of Ford F-350 plow trucks and they also ate transmissions. They were stripped vinyl trucks with E4OD automatics in them and did not hold up well plowing snow.

I have a 6yr old Ram 5500 Cummins and love the truck. Still looks & runs like a new truck.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #485  
My 2013 F150 interior is not falling apart at 280k miles. My 97 Ram had cracks in the dash and pieces of the drivers seat cushion coming out at 150k or less. That and the crappy transmission I had replaced twice is why I got away from Ram. Not sure about the newer ones, but I'd be too skeptical to take a chance.
2012/13 Ford F150s were a pretty nice truck. I had a 2012 Harley Davidson150 with the 6.2 V8 in it. .. I really liked that truck. Super comfortable and had more than enough power. ..I think it was 400 HP or so.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #486  
Wow... talk about a misleading marketing name! I had to go look that up, thinking Chevy was putting both traction control and stability control into their trucks, which would indeed be a high-end feature.

But no... "StabiliTrak" has nothing to do with stability control, it's just GM's lame name for plain old boring traction control. :rolleyes: I'm sure that if argued in court, they'd be able to point to some small proprietary feature that justifies not just calling it Traction Control, but it doesn't appear to be anything significant.

Some cars, Cadillac actually pioneered it decades ago, have dynamic viscosity fluid in their shock absorbers to provide stability control by instantly changing the stiffness of the shock absorber on each wheel. Mercedes worked with Billstein to develop another similar technology, now sold as the DampTronic, and used in AMG cars from Mercedes and SRT cars from Dodge. It would actually be useful in a pickup truck to limit body roll in corners or to stiffen rear shocks when load is increased through towing or hauling, but not a cheap upgrade on already expensive heavy duty suspension.
Can't remember GM's tradename on that (Mag something ?).... IIRC, it was something like a ferromagnetic fluid in the shock, that changed viscosity with applied voltage. May have been on Vettes, similar time frame Caddy got it.

Advanced systems have gotten pretty good at many scenarios.... but up here in Salt-Country, Stabiltrak keeps faulting on the fleet of Cutaways @ work, sometimes still in-Warranty.

GM's original production truck ABS was terrible; people up here were glad when it faulted and shut-off. Legal matters most, so few have something as simple as what Audi had, many years ago.... on/off button on the dash. Loose tracton (think rally driving) surfaces like heavy snow, or deep-gravel, fast way to emerg-stop is lock up all 4.... vehicle may rotate about the centre (just another Thursday, for a rally-driver), but will stop-quick, plowing material w. 4 wheels.

The main-gain for ABS should be steering-control....... if the driver just Target-Fixates on what they are about to hit, that advantage is not taken....

Given the # of people running around w. empty p/u beds, rear-wheel ABS (I realize 4wheel is now usually standard) in a competent or better system is a good thing today....

Rgds, D.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #487  
I can assure you Ram has come a long way since 1997.
Back in 1997 I was a Ford guy. I had a small fleet of Ford F-350 plow trucks and they also ate transmissions. They were stripped vinyl trucks with E4OD automatics in them and did not hold up well plowing snow.

I have a 6yr old Ram 5500 Cummins and love the truck. Still looks & runs like a new truck.
I will admit I didn't like the F150s from the 90s when they made them more "car like" with the aerodynamic sloped front end. A friend had one, and every time I got in the passenger side I would hit my head on the handle that stuck out from the a pillar. Fortunately the handle doesn't stick out like that on my 2013. I'm sure all trucks have come a long way since 97. Every manufacturer has had and will have issues from time to time. They will change and adapt. Other than too much tech and government regulations the overall reliability of even the worst trucks is better than in the 70s and 80s. I honestly have not driven a Ram in years and was curious about the newer ones. My 97 had the 5.9 gasser, and it still ran perfectly smooth when the transmission died. I parked it at 225k with the rest of the truck falling apart. I had gotten tired of working on it all the time.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #488  
Can't remember GM's tradename on that (Mag something ?).... IIRC, it was something like a ferromagnetic fluid in the shock, that changed viscosity with applied voltage. May have been on Vettes, similar time frame Caddy got it.

Advanced systems have gotten pretty good at many scenarios.... but up here in Salt-Country, Stabiltrak keeps faulting on the fleet of Cutaways @ work, sometimes still in-Warranty.

GM's original production truck ABS was terrible; people up here were glad when it faulted and shut-off. Legal matters most, so few have something as simple as what Audi had, many years ago.... on/off button on the dash. Loose tracton (think rally driving) surfaces like heavy snow, or deep-gravel, fast way to emerg-stop is lock up all 4.... vehicle may rotate about the centre (just another Thursday, for a rally-driver), but will stop-quick, plowing material w. 4 wheels.

The main-gain for ABS should be steering-control....... if the driver just Target-Fixates on what they are about to hit, that advantage is not taken....

Given the # of people running around w. empty p/u beds, rear-wheel ABS (I realize 4wheel is now usually standard) in a competent or better system is a good thing today....

Rgds, D.
In those 80s trucks ABS stood for anti braking system.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #489  
I can assure you Ram has come a long way since 1997.
Back in 1997 I was a Ford guy. I had a small fleet of Ford F-350 plow trucks and they also ate transmissions. They were stripped vinyl trucks with E4OD automatics in them and did not hold up well plowing snow.

I have a 6yr old Ram 5500 Cummins and love the truck. Still looks & runs like a new truck.
Back in the 90s I did a lot of work for a Dodge dealer and would trade out Ram 1500s every year or so for a new one. Never kept them past 20k miles. They were all the rage back then with the new body style. We also had a number of 7.3 F350s. ..That E4OD trans was not up to the challenge behind that motor. They would grenade at 70k miles like clockwork.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #490  
There is a 1990S Ram 2500 V10 with low miles on Bring A Trailer right now. Looks like a solid truck. .. Hard to find those big block trucks in good shape these days.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #491  
In those 80s trucks ABS stood for anti braking system.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were lawsuits over that, back-when.

Rgds, D.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #492  
Another reason: resale value down the road. A used gasser truck with 200K miles has very little resale value, however a diesel truck with the same mileage is can be resold at a decent price.
Have you priced used trucks lately? :eek:

When I bought my Colorado I sold my old Dakota to a neighbor who used to own a body shop. Mechanically, the truck was solid but it had quite a bit of rust (cab corners, rockers, front fenders...frame was OK). He fixed the rust and re-sold it for a little over $8k. Not bad for a 25 year old truck with a quarter million miles on it.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #493  
^^^^
One thing I will miss when I trade my Colorado is that convenient step in the rear bumper. Sure, other manufacturers have something you can buy. Yet that adds cost, and I have yet to see anything as versatile as the GM step.
That is handy. Another feature mine has that I really appreciate is a fulltime 4WD setting. I still go with full 4WD off road, but this is great for winter driving...I just leave it in that mode all winter. I think all GM trucks have had this since the late 00s, a colleague had a '12 Silverado and it had it too. Dunno about other mfgrs.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #494  
Have you priced used trucks lately? :eek:

When I bought my Colorado I sold my old Dakota to a neighbor who used to own a body shop. Mechanically, the truck was solid but it had quite a bit of rust (cab corners, rockers, front fenders...frame was OK). He fixed the rust and re-sold it for a little over $8k. Not bad for a 25 year old truck with a quarter million miles on it.
Maybe do, but the diesel truck will bring 50% more for resale.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #496  
Today you pay a hundred grand for something that can't make it past 5 years without a failure.

You're not comparing today's pickups to those from a few decades ago are you?

The OP photo was pretty old.

A Ford TT truck had a 20 HP motor. While it may have been able to pull a lot, I believe it had a worm drive and wouldn't be able to go very fast. Just forget trying to get it up to freeway speeds.

We never had AC in any vehicle up until the 1990's or so. Certainly not the old pickups. That was what the vent windows were for. ;)

I don't remember the MPG of our old half ton Chevy, but I heard stories of slightly larger pickups getting well below 10 MPG. My current RAM 1500 gets over 20 MPG empty, and likely can beat my old AMC Hornet wagon, as well as my old Ford Ranger 4 banger.

There is a reason why Service Stations have all but vanished, mostly replaced by mini-marts.

100,000 mile tune-up? When was the last time you had to hunt down some sand paper or a nail file to clean up your points? Even Spark Plugs are getting better.

I have had a few trailer flats, but I am having troubles remembering my last flat. I think I had a tread delam on my 1999 F150 a few years ago. Oh, I did plug my Transit Connect tire too. Anyway, reliability everywhere is going up.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #497  
You're not comparing today's pickups to those from a few decades ago are you?

The OP photo was pretty old.

A Ford TT truck had a 20 HP motor. While it may have been able to pull a lot, I believe it had a worm drive and wouldn't be able to go very fast. Just forget trying to get it up to freeway speeds.

We never had AC in any vehicle up until the 1990's or so. Certainly not the old pickups. That was what the vent windows were for. ;)

I don't remember the MPG of our old half ton Chevy, but I heard stories of slightly larger pickups getting well below 10 MPG. My current RAM 1500 gets over 20 MPG empty, and likely can beat my old AMC Hornet wagon, as well as my old Ford Ranger 4 banger.

There is a reason why Service Stations have all but vanished, mostly replaced by mini-marts.

100,000 mile tune-up? When was the last time you had to hunt down some sand paper or a nail file to clean up your points? Even Spark Plugs are getting better.

I have had a few trailer flats, but I am having troubles remembering my last flat. I think I had a tread delam on my 1999 F150 a few years ago. Oh, I did plug my Transit Connect tire too. Anyway, reliability everywhere is going up.
I have a 1999 F150 that I bought from a friend who was the original owner.. it’s a 5.4 Lariat extra cab 4x4… coming up on 195k miles. .. about 7 or 8 years ago I bought it for 2k with 135k miles on it.. and today I’m into it foe entirely too much money with all I have done to it.. probably close to 17-18k… if I get 250k out of it.. I’ll consider myself whole and move on .
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #498  
You're not comparing today's pickups to those from a few decades ago are you?

The OP photo was pretty old.

A Ford TT truck had a 20 HP motor. While it may have been able to pull a lot, I believe it had a worm drive and wouldn't be able to go very fast. Just forget trying to get it up to freeway speeds.

We never had AC in any vehicle up until the 1990's or so. Certainly not the old pickups. That was what the vent windows were for. ;)

I don't remember the MPG of our old half ton Chevy, but I heard stories of slightly larger pickups getting well below 10 MPG. My current RAM 1500 gets over 20 MPG empty, and likely can beat my old AMC Hornet wagon, as well as my old Ford Ranger 4 banger.

There is a reason why Service Stations have all but vanished, mostly replaced by mini-marts.

100,000 mile tune-up? When was the last time you had to hunt down some sand paper or a nail file to clean up your points? Even Spark Plugs are getting better.

I have had a few trailer flats, but I am having troubles remembering my last flat. I think I had a tread delam on my 1999 F150 a few years ago. Oh, I did plug my Transit Connect tire too. Anyway, reliability everywhere is going up.
New gas stations have been banned here for years and should one close zoning will not permit replacement.

Yep 20hp TT and 40 AA and worm drive was the standard replacing chain drive up to about 1929…

I have a fair number of hours on a restored AA 1930 vintage… good brakes, plenty of grunt and excellent in granny for field harvesting…
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #499  
I wouldn't be surprised if there were lawsuits over that, back-when.

Rgds, D.
I wouldn't be surprised either. I remember one time I hit the brakes in my 85 S10 like I used to in my old truck, and all I felt was the brakes pulsing. I had no way to stop, and did not lock up the wheels. I don't think I would have hit the car in front of me in my other truck. No one explained ABS or told me anything about it when I bough the S10. If I had seen it in action and not stopping I would have shopped elsewhere.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #500  
I wouldn't be surprised either. I remember one time I hit the brakes in my 85 S10 like I used to in my old truck, and all I felt was the brakes pulsing. I had no way to stop, and did not lock up the wheels. I don't think I would have hit the car in front of me in my other truck. No one explained ABS or told me anything about it when I bough the S10. If I had seen it in action and not stopping I would have shopped elsewhere.
Westbound in my 1st Dakota with an inch of snow on the ground, I topped a hill 9to find an eastbound lowbed with an excavator in my lane swinging wide to make a right (southerly) turn. I hit the brakes and nothing happened. My passenger was screaming at me to stop but I couldn't. If I'd been alone I would have taken the guardrail on the right. We shoehorned between the two so close that I don't know how we didn't scrape.
After that I started running in 4wd if there was a hint of snow on the ground. At least with the driveline locked up the front brakes would control the rear.
My father had a cartoon at camp of a rider on a horse plummeting down a cliff; with the horseman sawing back on the reins screaming "Whoa, dammit! I said WHOA!!!"
That's how I feel when driving with ABS.
I still practice with the E-brake, although that's getting harder and harder to utilize.
 

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