Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

   / Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #481  
One of my tacos the other Was before they even named them Tacomas I owned had manual locking hubs no air, no cruise, power nothing 4 cylinder 5 or later 6 speeds. Besides what I consider functional options, Plain basic but pricy trucks I buy these days have to have basic cruise, auto locking hubs, and AC and I'm happy with it for creature comforts.
 
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   / Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #482  
I just got back from a week in South Florida. Rented a Dodge 2500 4x4 from Hertz. ..Pretty cheap rental @350.00 ish for that time. ..Anyway..it was a fairly basic Big Horn package.
PW, PL, tilt cruse, Bluetooth radio ..Thats about it.
..After a couple days in that truck..I about had enough of it. Not sure if it was the poor comfort of the seats, or the way the interior just felt cheap.. but it made me appreciate my trucks at home more than ever.

Well, if it was a “Dodge”, it must have been at least 13 years old.
No wonder you disliked it. Dodge ain't built a truck since 2012.

Big Horn package is pretty low on their tiers of luxury compared to a Laramie.
 
   / Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #483  
So, on the Ram 4wd; I dont ever use 4w auto, and maybe I just dont understand it? I use 2wd or I engage 4wd hi or 4wd lo. I tried 4 auto once, and it certainly isn't the same as 4 hi. Im guess 4 auto means 2wd, and then it auto senses slippage and engages? I dont have any use for that. I can see Im in loose sand or mud, and engage 4 hi. Maybe its an ice/snow thing?
Yes, it senses slippage and computer locks the transfer case up and sends power to front axle. It’s mostly to give you 4WD capability if your rear wheels start slipping while cutting down on front tire wear.
Works great on semi-snow covered roads without the front tires bucking when you have good traction.
You ain’t got that problem in FL.
My 2022 F150 has something similar with "modes" but it also has a 4 hi and 4 lo button, which is how I use it.

I just dont see why you would want to drive around in 4 auto on the road?

Believe it or not, my big Challenger has “auto 4WD” and has “auto locking diffs”, too.
I generally don’t use them. I prefer fully locked, or not at all.

Of course it has the full lock 4WD and full lock front/rear diffs, too. It was an option that came with a package on the tractor with other features.

I was using locked 4WD and “auto locking diffs” (front & rear) for extra traction while pulling a 38,000lb baler up a steep hill. The ratcheting of the auto locking diffs intermittently locking/unlocking was un-nerving. I mostly just use full lock, or not at all.

The auto 4WD actually works pretty good and saves front tire wear,
 
   / Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #484  
My 2013 F150 interior is not falling apart at 280k miles. My 97 Ram had cracks in the dash and pieces of the drivers seat cushion coming out at 150k or less. That and the crappy transmission I had replaced twice is why I got away from Ram. Not sure about the newer ones, but I'd be too skeptical to take a chance.
I can assure you Ram has come a long way since 1997.
Back in 1997 I was a Ford guy. I had a small fleet of Ford F-350 plow trucks and they also ate transmissions. They were stripped vinyl trucks with E4OD automatics in them and did not hold up well plowing snow.

I have a 6yr old Ram 5500 Cummins and love the truck. Still looks & runs like a new truck.
 
   / Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #485  
My 2013 F150 interior is not falling apart at 280k miles. My 97 Ram had cracks in the dash and pieces of the drivers seat cushion coming out at 150k or less. That and the crappy transmission I had replaced twice is why I got away from Ram. Not sure about the newer ones, but I'd be too skeptical to take a chance.
2012/13 Ford F150s were a pretty nice truck. I had a 2012 Harley Davidson150 with the 6.2 V8 in it. .. I really liked that truck. Super comfortable and had more than enough power. ..I think it was 400 HP or so.
 
   / Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #486  
Wow... talk about a misleading marketing name! I had to go look that up, thinking Chevy was putting both traction control and stability control into their trucks, which would indeed be a high-end feature.

But no... "StabiliTrak" has nothing to do with stability control, it's just GM's lame name for plain old boring traction control. :rolleyes: I'm sure that if argued in court, they'd be able to point to some small proprietary feature that justifies not just calling it Traction Control, but it doesn't appear to be anything significant.

Some cars, Cadillac actually pioneered it decades ago, have dynamic viscosity fluid in their shock absorbers to provide stability control by instantly changing the stiffness of the shock absorber on each wheel. Mercedes worked with Billstein to develop another similar technology, now sold as the DampTronic, and used in AMG cars from Mercedes and SRT cars from Dodge. It would actually be useful in a pickup truck to limit body roll in corners or to stiffen rear shocks when load is increased through towing or hauling, but not a cheap upgrade on already expensive heavy duty suspension.
Can't remember GM's tradename on that (Mag something ?).... IIRC, it was something like a ferromagnetic fluid in the shock, that changed viscosity with applied voltage. May have been on Vettes, similar time frame Caddy got it.

Advanced systems have gotten pretty good at many scenarios.... but up here in Salt-Country, Stabiltrak keeps faulting on the fleet of Cutaways @ work, sometimes still in-Warranty.

GM's original production truck ABS was terrible; people up here were glad when it faulted and shut-off. Legal matters most, so few have something as simple as what Audi had, many years ago.... on/off button on the dash. Loose tracton (think rally driving) surfaces like heavy snow, or deep-gravel, fast way to emerg-stop is lock up all 4.... vehicle may rotate about the centre (just another Thursday, for a rally-driver), but will stop-quick, plowing material w. 4 wheels.

The main-gain for ABS should be steering-control....... if the driver just Target-Fixates on what they are about to hit, that advantage is not taken....

Given the # of people running around w. empty p/u beds, rear-wheel ABS (I realize 4wheel is now usually standard) in a competent or better system is a good thing today....

Rgds, D.
 
   / Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #487  
I can assure you Ram has come a long way since 1997.
Back in 1997 I was a Ford guy. I had a small fleet of Ford F-350 plow trucks and they also ate transmissions. They were stripped vinyl trucks with E4OD automatics in them and did not hold up well plowing snow.

I have a 6yr old Ram 5500 Cummins and love the truck. Still looks & runs like a new truck.
I will admit I didn't like the F150s from the 90s when they made them more "car like" with the aerodynamic sloped front end. A friend had one, and every time I got in the passenger side I would hit my head on the handle that stuck out from the a pillar. Fortunately the handle doesn't stick out like that on my 2013. I'm sure all trucks have come a long way since 97. Every manufacturer has had and will have issues from time to time. They will change and adapt. Other than too much tech and government regulations the overall reliability of even the worst trucks is better than in the 70s and 80s. I honestly have not driven a Ram in years and was curious about the newer ones. My 97 had the 5.9 gasser, and it still ran perfectly smooth when the transmission died. I parked it at 225k with the rest of the truck falling apart. I had gotten tired of working on it all the time.
 
   / Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #488  
Can't remember GM's tradename on that (Mag something ?).... IIRC, it was something like a ferromagnetic fluid in the shock, that changed viscosity with applied voltage. May have been on Vettes, similar time frame Caddy got it.

Advanced systems have gotten pretty good at many scenarios.... but up here in Salt-Country, Stabiltrak keeps faulting on the fleet of Cutaways @ work, sometimes still in-Warranty.

GM's original production truck ABS was terrible; people up here were glad when it faulted and shut-off. Legal matters most, so few have something as simple as what Audi had, many years ago.... on/off button on the dash. Loose tracton (think rally driving) surfaces like heavy snow, or deep-gravel, fast way to emerg-stop is lock up all 4.... vehicle may rotate about the centre (just another Thursday, for a rally-driver), but will stop-quick, plowing material w. 4 wheels.

The main-gain for ABS should be steering-control....... if the driver just Target-Fixates on what they are about to hit, that advantage is not taken....

Given the # of people running around w. empty p/u beds, rear-wheel ABS (I realize 4wheel is now usually standard) in a competent or better system is a good thing today....

Rgds, D.
In those 80s trucks ABS stood for anti braking system.
 
   / Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #489  
I can assure you Ram has come a long way since 1997.
Back in 1997 I was a Ford guy. I had a small fleet of Ford F-350 plow trucks and they also ate transmissions. They were stripped vinyl trucks with E4OD automatics in them and did not hold up well plowing snow.

I have a 6yr old Ram 5500 Cummins and love the truck. Still looks & runs like a new truck.
Back in the 90s I did a lot of work for a Dodge dealer and would trade out Ram 1500s every year or so for a new one. Never kept them past 20k miles. They were all the rage back then with the new body style. We also had a number of 7.3 F350s. ..That E4OD trans was not up to the challenge behind that motor. They would grenade at 70k miles like clockwork.
 
   / Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #490  
There is a 1990S Ram 2500 V10 with low miles on Bring A Trailer right now. Looks like a solid truck. .. Hard to find those big block trucks in good shape these days.
 

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