iMatch Mismatch

[rivers]

I recently purchased a 2210, FEL, with an iMatch and ballast box. The arms on the ballast box do not extend past the iMatch to allow pins to be placed into the arms. This leaves the box so that it is able to slide in the hitch. It can't really fall off, but I don't think that it should be this way.

The dealer brought me a new ballast box and the arms on that are even shorter than the first. He tells me that all of the ballast boxes that they are recieving are like that. Has anyone had a similar problem ? Is this standard for an iMatch - ballast box combination ?

 

[Kevin37]

nystrpr,

What timing for this post. I just purchased a 4710 with iMatch and a ballast box. When I went to pick up the ballast box the other day to do loader work, I had the same problem. When my equipment was delivered I was told to use the bushings from my mx-6 on the ballast box pins. These bushings are only about two inches long and the iMatch is still too wide to pick up the box correctly.
I went home and found looking through some Deere brochures that there are pictures of the iMatch and ballast box and they show bushings on the pins that are about four to five inches long! No clevis showed to hold them in as they most certainly cover the holes in the end of the pins.
I sent an email to my dealer asking about this and whether or not I was supposed to get these longer bushings with the ballast box.
I'll let you know what the dealer says.

Good luck with yours

Kevin

 

[JDdude]

There is a part number for longer pins-knobs they call them for the imatch hitch..Have you dealer parts guy look it up, they are in the picture with the imatch hitch..You might find the number on John Deeres parts site..I will post it if I get around to finding it after while..

 

[beenthere]

There is a bushing kit (BW15056 - I think- maybe BN15056) that I bought to make the ballast box fit the I-match, which is spelled out in the fine print. Its about $30 and converts the Cat I to Cat III, and comes complete with roll pins to attach it to the ballast box pins (via the 'holes').

There is no way, IMO, that I want to run bushings back and forth from one attachment to another. This defeats the purpose of the I-match system. I think the bushings should be more readily available, and the salesmen should know when and where they are needed.

 

[Cliff_Johns]

When I got my 4110 with a ballast box and a iMatch, they gave me a bag of parts that is a little kit to convert the Cat 1 pins to Cat 3, but I haven't taken the Backhoe off and tried it yet. Looking at the parts, it's not obvious exactly what to do with them. If you know of a picture of these parts installed, I'd be very interested in the link.

Cliff

 

[beenthere]

Maybe this pic of mine shows what you want to know.

The bushing is in place and the 'hub' is to the outside.

 

[JDdude]

I cannot find the part number..I will post it when I get mine next week..It should be in by then..

 

[Kevin37]

I am waiting to see if my dealer tells me i need to buy the extra bushings to make my system work.
Not appropriate, in my opinion.
I bought the iMatch system and the compatible ballast box. At least one of those purchases needs to INCLUDE what is needed to make the two work as designed. I liken it to buying your tractor, which doesn't include the key which makes it work!

We'll see what the dealer says.

Kevin

 

[beenthere]

Yep, I here you, and thought the same thing. Then I was shown the brochure that has the footnoted *fine print, something about a kit needed to make the ballast box compatible with the I-match.

Wish you luck however, in getting it thrown in. I didn't put up a fuss (although I thought it was about $15, and not $30) because I thought the ballast box price was reasonable. But this thread did remind me of the 'extra' cost. I like it anyway. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[Kevin37]

I know what I expect. I won't raise a fuss either because I got a fair price on the box as well. I just tend to take a common sense approach to things. Don't sell me something that won't work because it doesn't include all the parts necessary to make it work.

Kevin

 

[JDdude]

They did include mine with the purchase after I brought it to thier attention..My guess is your dealer will do the same..They should anyways..It isnt a attachment if it wont fit..Right?

Oh, I have also found that 460 lbs of ballest is almost more than the 2210 wants to carry..It seems to creep down with that much weight sticking out the back. I could hear it creeking while I shut the tractor off..They rate it at 700 lbs at the end of the lift arms(I believe) so the added length out in the ballast box must be about 350-400 lbs..I removed some wieight and it seemed to work better..Been using old disc brake rotors for ballast and weighing on the Grain elevator scales..

 

[Cliff_Johns]

OK, I went out and took a photo.

With my 4110 and iMatch and ballast box I got the things in the picture. The two thick bushings on the left came attached to the iMatch with a tie. The rest came in a black sealed bag marked "bushings". The only reason I got the extra bushings was that a mechanic happened to be there when I picked up my iMatch and he said I couldn't use the ballast bow without out that kit, so they gave me the kit.

The two groupings of three items on the right are, I believe the Cat 1 to Cat 3 bushings for the side pins. I guess the little bent metal tubes are to afix the bushings to the pins if you want to. I guess I would get some removable pins instead. (thanks for the photo, they make sense to me now.)

The next two bushings (going right to left are concentric (one fits inside the other) and I guess they fit over the top pin to make it cat 2 to fit the iMatch.

I don't know what the other two are for, but they are cat 1 to cat 3 bushings and will work some some implement I do not have that presumably has captured cat 1 pins.

Cliff

 

[JDdude]

The ones with the roll pins are what I need..I have the spacers on mine now and just been using it like that without the lock pins-keepers..

 

[beenthere]

Cliff_Johns
You have that figured out, at least as much as I have it figured out. There are combinations in the kit for more than just one tractor. And maybe one attachment, as you suggest.

Pssssst. (Now if we can sweet-talk JDdude to downsize that schematic attachment, this thread will be much easier to read). /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[dj1701]

I had a similar problem. I did not get any bushings with my iMatch system. I went to the closest dealer from my house, and they did not seem to know what I was talking about. That did not suprise me any. Just another reason why I did not buy from them in the first place. I then went to the dealer I bought the tractor from. They looked up the part and I had what I wanted in no time. I can't remember what John Deere wants for a set of them, but you can get them from Tractor Supply Co. for much cheaper. They are in the hitch pin section at my local store.

Dave

 

[stuart]

Kevin : You are correct. The bushings to make it all work should be included when you take delivery and in the price that you paid. You deserve them just because they have inconvenienced you in this fashion. Mine came with the Box but I had to install them. Good luck

 

[chevy]

I have the same problem. I got my 2210 & weight box Thursday & I had to pick up the Imatch friday because they had to get it from one of there other stores. I did not find out until Sunday morning that it would not work.
Why dosen,t John Deere just make the weight box 2 1/2" wider?
That would just be to simple.

 

[rivers]

I just wanted to thank everyone for the replies, especially Cliff_Johns. I spoke to the dealer and they weren't aware that such a kit existed. After emailing them the pictures which were posted in this thread, they emailed them to Deere. Deere told them the part number and the dealer then had to order 8 kits because several customers needed them.
TBN has come through again !

 

[Cliff_Johns]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( After emailing them the pictures which were posted in this thread, they emailed them to Deere. Deere told them the part number and the dealer then had to order 8 kits because several customers needed them.
TBN has come through again ! )</font>

Glad it worked out -- and that you could help all those other owners by educating the dealer. This kit seems to be an obscure bit of trivia. Digital cameras are a great invention.

Cliff