I'd like to build a barn!

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I'm glad there's lots of barn threads on here, I've read through many of them for pointers. I hope you guys don't mind if I add another thread on this topic.

We bought our land a little over 2 years ago. Originally I wanted to wait for the barn construction at least until the house was started to make sure we put it in the right place. We're coming to the point to where there's a few problems with waiting. For one our search for the "perfect" house plan seems interminable. I need storage for our quickly growing arsenal of tractors, implements, and tools. And the more we spend time at our land with the kids the more we would like a shelter. On the plus side if we already have a barn while the house is being built I think that would be a great resource for storage if building materials. Although we don't know what it will look like, we know where we want to put the house, so forward we go with the barn instead.

My wife and I have a variety of expectations for this structure and I drew an initial draft on grid paper over the weekend. Ill attach a picture. It will have 4 areas: a shop, a guest bunk/bathroom, an enclosed storage, and an open storage.

I'd like to do pole construction for looks and cost effectiveness. On the sketch that's attached, I marked where I thought the poles would go with x's. Might have missed some or it might make sense to do it differently. I tried to keep the overall dimensions divisible by 3' and a combination of 12' and 8' lengths. I used 8' spacing for the posts around the loft for strength.

The shop and guest area will be finished eventually and have a concrete floor, but that won't likely happen at first.

I'm thinking 14' ceiling for the main area and attic trusses for the loft area.

I forgot to add windows for the guest area and shop, as well a big window for the loft. The overhead door will actually be a sliding door since it will enclose uninsulated space.

I put double doors to the shop, but what other options are there for a more traditional look? The shop will be mostly wood/hobby and I thought opposing doors would be hand for long materials. Ill address dust collection, electrical, plumbing, and hvac when the floor gets poured.

I'm considering my options for framing it myself and subbing out the excavation and metal work versus having all the work done. Do you have anyone local for central Missouri that you could recommend for building barns? I was going to try a couple of regional contractors online for quotes, too.

I'm waiting on a materials quote from the local lumber yard to see how we are on price for materials (and to know what to expect as I attain bids from contractors.). So it begins…
 

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What are the wall length width and height?
 
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Sorry it doesn't show up well in the pic. The overall dimensions are 54 by 48. The scale is 2' per square.

I forgot to say that we're thinking 8/12 or 10/12 roof pitch for the main 24' central gable. The central area will have a 14' height. Then we'll have full length lean-tos on both sides with 4/12 pitch. The left one will be part bunk/bath part storage in the tractor area. The other lean to will be full length open implement storage. These areas should slope down to a 10' height.

I'm told it will also have a single cupola but that's a bit nebulous at this point.
 
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Sorry it doesn't show up well in the pic. The overall dimensions are 54 by 48. The scale is 2' per square.

I forgot to say that we're thinking 8/12 or 10/12 roof pitch for the main 24' central gable. Then we'll have full length lean-tos on both sides with 4/12 pitch. The left one will be part bunk/bath part storage in the tractor area. The other lean to will be full length open implement storage.

I'm told it will also have a single cupola but that's a bit nebulous at this point.

How tall are the walls?
 
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You're posting too quick! I was editing my post! 😊
 
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Everyone loves a big barn, but it isn't always the best thing to do. Livestock and feed and tools and machinery don't co-exist that well. I would suggest that you build a small shed now, for what you need now, that you can accomplish now without putting too big a demand on your time and finances.

Maybe consider building a small cabin now, so the kids have somewhere to be, that could be used as a guest cabin later on.

Building what you think you're going to need, rather than what you actually do require can lead to costly errors. It is easier and cheaper to move/remove a 16'x10' shed than it it is to take down the big barn.

Getting your land in order needs to be your priority.

If I had my time all over again.......
 
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That steep of a roof will be a real pain to shingle or tin.

Animals should be in a seperate building, feed and hay atract mice and rats.
 
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Is the 12'x54' section on the right an overhang, or is it closed in?

I have a 2nd story shop, and it is a much more efficient use of space, but boy is it a PITA getting material up those stairs. Lumber is not so bad, but full sheets of plywood or MDF is no fun. And neither was moving a 200 lb drill press up the rickety wooden stairs. If I had my fantasy, I would have a big swing-out door in the 2nd floor shop wall, to allow me to move pallets of goods up there with the tractor's loader. Well... actually, my tractor's loader doesn't have enough lift to get that high, so I would also have to buy a different tractor. Alternatively, maybe do a hook-style lift from the loft, like they do in Amsterdam.

What if you moved the bunk space to the 2nd floor loft and kept the shop downstairs?
 
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No animals for this one. Purely shop/machines and bunk house. I currently have a 10'x24' that I built last year and I've outgrown that.

What happened to the unrelenting TBN motto about "don't go too small"!? 😜 I didn't listen to that advice when I bought my first tractor last year and I've already had to upgrade. I've looked at a lot of barns and I think this is a good size for our plans. I made the first building portable and I'd rather my have several smaller buildings if I can avoid it. Of course $$$ is going to dictate what eventually happens. This is all just planning now.
 
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Is the 12'x54' section on the right an overhang, or is it closed in?

I have a 2nd story shop, and it is a much more efficient use of space, but boy is it a PITA getting material up those stairs. Lumber is not so bad, but full sheets of plywood or MDF is no fun. And neither was moving a 200 lb drill press up the rickety wooden stairs. If I had my fantasy, I would have a big swing-out door in the 2nd floor shop wall, to allow me to move pallets of goods up there with the tractor's loader. Well... actually, my tractor's loader doesn't have enough lift to get that high, so I would also have to buy a different tractor. Alternatively, maybe do a hook-style lift from the loft, like they do in Amsterdam.

What if you moved the bunk space to the 2nd floor loft and kept the shop downstairs?

The 12 by 54 would not be closed in. It would be primarily implement covered storage. I thought it would a clever out of site place for a compressor and dust collector too someday.

I thought about putting the bunk on the second floor but I like the idea of this space having windows and I wanted to avoid dormers/skylights. Plus I like the idea of the shop/bunk/bath all being over a concrete pad with radiant heat.
 
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No animals for this one. Purely shop/machines and bunk house. I currently have a 10'x24' that I built last year and I've outgrown that.

Well there you go, you followed my advice a year before I gave it!
 
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go, main floor ceiling is 14'? Sounds a bit high if so. Mine is 10' and works great for me. I just went too small at 24x32!

I didn't describe that very well, sorry. The 24x30' area I have labelled for tractor storage would be 14'. I figured plenty of headroom in this area both since my tractor is over 8' tall and 14' would be nice if someday I get more into cars and such and want a lift. This also accommodates having a 10' shop with a loft/loft trusses over it in the central portion of the barn. Everywhere else other than the tractor storage area would be 10' ceilings at most.
 
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I would consider adding more access doors on the end. When I bought my place, the 40 x 48 barn had only a single 12 foot wide overhead door. It was a real pain until a cut another 9 foot wide door into the end.
 
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Can anyone suggest a type of door for me to use? I'm collecting bids and don't know what to do about the larger access doors I want to the shop. This will face the house so I'd like for it to be aesthetically pleasing (like a sliding barn door). Not that I need it now, but I'd also like it to seal out drafts (like an overhead door). Maybe slider now and add an overhead someday when I pour the floor?
 
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Will this building be inspected by the county building inspector? If it is an ag building, it may not need to be. If not, be careful putting the living quarters in such an uninspected building. If you have a nosy neighbor rat on you, they are going to shut it down. Around here, people try this (putting living space in a shed) to avoid as much real estate taxes, and get stuck. Myself, I was cited for allowing my hunting buddy to spend the night in his camper occasionally here on my 86 acre farm. The government nowadays prevents people from fully enjoying the use of their land, at least here in Virginia.
 
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Just a thought, but how much of a hurry are you in and how much do you want to spend. I ask because for a quick build, using shipping containers might be a quick and viable alternative.
Eddie built a barn/shed out of three large shipping containers at one time and also incorporated a living area. I believe the cost was not too bad and it was quickly built. The roof was probably the hardest part of the construction from what I recall.
Anyway, I mention it as it could be a reasonabley cheap alternative until you house is built - you will get safe storage and a well built place with steel containers. I know that if I wanted another large workshop I would consider two or three 40ft containers. I believe there have been several threads on this subject - might well be worth looking into.

Jim
 
 
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