Heating Ohio pole barn

   / Heating Ohio pole barn #21  
Nothing is needed to be changed on the roof.

If you get metal liner panels, just screw them up to the bottoms of the trusses. Metal will span the 4' opening just fine for holding up lightweight insulation. But you wont want to walk on it from the top side. So when doing the insulation, make sure you stick to walking on lumber up there.

Diagonals in the corner are for lateral strength. I usually see them on the outside of the post. Where they are at now....kinda interferes with doing inside walls. But if doing inside walls, those really arent needed.

At this point, the hardest part is gonna be working around all the stuff in there. Trying to do insulation as an after though once the building is already in use and full of tools is a PITA. (pain in the @$$).

I have seen fiberglass insulation done two ways in a "pole barn".

1. You can add your own vertical studs, toe-nailed into the horizontal wall girts, either every 16" or 24". And run your fiberglass vertically just like in a house between studs.
2. You can add a 2x6 studs, horizontally, between the posts....attached to the horizontal girts.....and run the fiberglass horizontally.

What is the current spacing between the horizontal girts now.....would be nice to be right at 24" on center. If you decide to add vertical studs.....price the job as a whole before deciding if 16" or 24" centers is better. 16" is gonna require more studs....so more cost. But most times 16" insulation rolls or batts are cheaper per sq ft. So price it both ways if doing yourself.

A couple of pointers, keep the OSB wall sheathing and insulation OFF the concrete floor. Dont let it touch or it will draw moisture.
 
   / Heating Ohio pole barn #22  
I pretty much agree with LD1. You are fine overhead. The corner bracing is probably a local thing, my pole barn never had it but when I finished it with OSB inside, that resulted in the same bracing function.

Call some commercial roofing/insulation places and see if there is a local source of used roofing foam panels. That would cut down on the amount of studding you would have to add. Those panels are much better insulation than the panels under your roof.
 
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Nothing is needed to be changed on the roof.


What is the current spacing between the horizontal girts now.....would be nice to be right at 24" on center. If you decide to add vertical studs.....price the job as a whole before deciding if 16" or 24" centers is better. 16" is gonna require more studs....so more cost. But most times 16" insulation rolls or batts are cheaper per sq ft. So price it both ways if doing yourself.

They are 24" on center.
 
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Call some commercial roofing/insulation places and see if there is a local source of used roofing foam panels. That would cut down on the amount of studding you would have to add. Those panels are much better insulation than the panels under your roof.

Would this be for the walls? Not quite making out how to go that route...
 
   / Heating Ohio pole barn #25  
Vapor barrier, well tape sealed, is very important especially over fiberglass insulation otherwise humid air will permeate the insulation and you will have 2-3" of frost where you thought you had nice dry wool.
In fact you want the literally be inside of a nice big plastic bag!
 
   / Heating Ohio pole barn #26  
Would this be for the walls? Not quite making out how to go that route...
If you can find the used insulation, esp 1 1/2 thick. I would cut & fit them horizontally against the metal & behind the posts, then an additional layer over it all now that your purlins are flush with the insulation. Most of this recycle'd insulation is Poly-iso at 6.5 r value per inch. 3" would make your building easy to heat at near R 19.5! This method will also dramatically reduce or completely eliminate airflow (drafts) through the wall if you caulk or seal the edges with can foam. No additional framing needed for this method.
 
   / Heating Ohio pole barn #27  
I have poles on 8 foot centers, 12 foot ceiling. I put two layers of polyiso sheets, just fitting in the 4 x 8 sheets bringing out the insulation surface to within 1.5 inches of the inside of the poles. Then I added two horizontal 2x4s between the poles (to be able to nail the OSB) and filled in between them with the third layer of polyiso sheets. Then I covered the whole thing with a plastic sheet for a vapor barrier and finished with OSB. Seems to be working pretty well. I should have a total R value of at least 30 in the walls, which is way more than I need. My barn is 2000 square feet and I have a 80,000 btu wood stove. It easily keeps it warm enough to work inside in shirtsleeves with single digit temperatures outside.
 
   / Heating Ohio pole barn #29  
There is a craigslist ad in Columbus for insulation. Rick

Nov 21 INSULATION ROLLS / BOARD & PINK FOAM (COLUMBUS) map
 
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There is a craigslist ad in Columbus for insulation. Rick

Nov 21 INSULATION ROLLS / BOARD & PINK FOAM (COLUMBUS) map

Ha that was just posted. Great find. I would want 1" and half though correct?
 
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Ha that was just posted. Great find. I would want 1" and half though correct?

Called the guy. He has a little of everything. He has about 800 pieces of 2'x3' x 1'2" for 500 bucks. It is only 1.5 r value. Said guys are putting that in between the Girts then going over it with a rolls to double it up. He has rolls varying from 6, 8 feet wide between 100-300' in 1'2" for 75 bucks a roll. Also has about 20 4x8x1" boards left for $7 a board. Not sure on the r values as they all vary depending on what ya want.
 
   / Heating Ohio pole barn #32  
I can't open CraigsList at work, but if the polyiso sheets are really $1 it's a screaming bargain. If I recall they are about $20 new and usually go for about $5 used. Polyiso will outperform any other foam insulation. It also cuts much cleaner.
 
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I can't open CraigsList at work, but if the polyiso sheets are really $1 it's a screaming bargain. If I recall they are about $20 new and usually go for about $5 used. Polyiso will outperform any other foam insulation. It also cuts much cleaner.

The link cut off the title. They are $10 a board but less if bought in bulk.
 
   / Heating Ohio pole barn #34  
Never used the foam boards. How well it works is all up to how its installed. If you dont cut clean straight lines, you end up with gaps and voids. Where as fiberglass conforms.

When it comes to insulation.....Blow in is the cheapest per R-value. But I dont like it in the walls as it "can" settle.

Fiberglass is next.
Then foam boards
Then spray foam.

To get the most insulation for the least money.....fiberglass in the walls ans blown in for the ceiling.
 
   / Heating Ohio pole barn #35  
With those poly boards at that price you could always use 'spray foam in a can' to fill the gaps.
Often you can buy a larger spray kit vs cans.

Another option is to stuff insulation fiberglass into any voids and then tape over the filled joint.
I did seem to note that those foam boards were foil covered and that would act as a vapor barrier hence you'd want to tape the joints.
 

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