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[sodamo]

Good morning all. Just cold and windy here 35 deg but with the wind feels more like 25. Good day for coffee and time spent with my wife and kids. Just a winter reminder to all of my TBN friends about snow shoveling. The cold temperatures and heavy work load increase the risk of heart attack. If you are over 40, or have history of heart disease, high blood pressure or are slightly overweight talk to your physician and please use care. I don't know WayneB's circumstance leading to his heart attach, but it prompted me to post this reminder. David

Great advice David

As Wayne and I were only months apart in age, I am doubly grateful I did the cardiac workup earlier this year.

David Sent from my iPad Air using TractorByNet

 

[dave1949]

I had the privilege and honor to look down in the water in Pearl Harbor.
Never will forget that. But will the young remember? Will they remember the Holocaust and the lessons we learned from it?
Will they remember 9-11 or will it just be a history question answer?

Ron, she's a beauty.

No, the "young" won't remember even 9-11-01 because it isn't within their age of awareness. Consider that a child would be at least ten years old before events like that are meaningful and interpreted in a personal way unless it hit very close to home. To be ten years-old in 2001 means being born in 1991, making that person 23 years-old now. That's about as young as one could be now to personally remember 9-11 as a self-evaluated event with knowledgeable context.

To anyone younger than 23, and likely more than just a few that are older than 23, it's history; which illustrates the importance of teaching our children well.

CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG, lyrics by Graham Nash, first released in 1970.

"Teach Your Children"

You, who are on the road must have a code that you can live by.
And so become yourself because the past is just a good bye.
Teach your children well, their father's he** did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams, the one they fix, the one you'll know by.
Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

And you, of the tender years can't know the fears that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth, they seek the truth before they can die.
Teach your parents well, their children's he** will slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams, the one they fix,the one you'll know by.
Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

 

[bakerg]

Afternoon, 30F here. Having family over for my SNL birthday, pizza and wings with a Black Forest cake, just what my SNL asked for.

 

[dave1949]

Afternoon, 30F here. Having family over for my SNL birthday, pizza and wings with a Black Forest cake, just what my SNL asked for.

Sounds tasty, hope you have a fun party.

 

[sodamo]

Dave1949

You make a good point, but I have to hope you are wrong. I wasn't born until after Pearl Harbor, yet I have a strong emotional reaction to it. First time I visited it was with my Dad (Army Air Corps). Living here in Hawaii, not only is it visible anytime day you fly into Honolulu, but it also makes the local news several times a year. I sincerely doubt our son feels the same. One of these days, I plan to take our granddaughter to visit and hope it makes a lasting impression, but I'll likely never know.

P0-2031540118-1339060311947

 

[forestcreature1]

2014-12-07, 0736

73 years ago, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor...a Sunday morning, by the way...

17 degrees right now, high today will be about 24 dropping to a very cold 1 degree tonight. Looks like a rough week ahead of us. Tuesday through Saturday will be snow events of varying severity...Tuesday and Wednesday being the worst.

Today's chore will be clearing the snow from yesterday...

I went out and played 'taps'. The neighbors out here at the lake [many are vets] like the way it sounds drifting across the water.

 

[Happy Gilmore]

I was born a few decades after Pearl Harbor, but as soon as I saw today's date, it struck a nerve, as it does every year. September 11, does the same. Busy day today with the kiddos, soggy outside from yesterday's rain.

 

[RoyJackson]

Just a winter reminder to all of my TBN friends about snow shoveling.

The cold temperatures and heavy work load increase the risk of heart attack.
If you are over 40, or have history of heart disease, high blood pressure or are slightly overweight talk to your physician and please use care.

David

Good points!
Since I've had a heart attack and I am on BP meds, I'm quite aware of those risks and I do not ever overdo any snow shoveling....frequent breaks are essential and don't try to lift too much in a shovel.
And it isn't just we older guys that are susceptible...if you're in the 30's or 40's...especially if your job is mostly sedentary, you're actually at a greater risk of a massive heart attack.

 

[RoyJackson]

Just a winter reminder to all of my TBN friends about snow shoveling.

The cold temperatures and heavy work load increase the risk of heart attack.
If you are over 40, or have history of heart disease, high blood pressure or are slightly overweight talk to your physician and please use care.

David

Good points!
Since I've had a heart attack and I am on BP meds, I'm quite aware of those risks and I do not ever overdo any snow shoveling....frequent breaks are essential and don't try to lift too much in a shovel.
And it isn't just we older guys that are susceptible...if you're in the 30's or 40's...especially if your job is mostly sedentary, you're actually at a greater risk of a massive heart attack.

 

[dave1949]

Dave1949

You make a good point, but I have to hope you are wrong. I wasn't born until after Pearl Harbor, yet I have a strong emotional reaction to it. First time I visited it was with my Dad (Army Air Corps). Living here in Hawaii, not only is it visible anytime day you fly into Honolulu, but it also makes the local news several times a year. I sincerely doubt our son feels the same. One of these days, I plan to take our granddaughter to visit and hope it makes a lasting impression, but I'll likely never know.

P0-2031540118-1339060311947

Your father taught you well, imbued you with those emotions and revealed those facts. It means something to you because it meant something to a person you respect, your father, and he thought to take you there to show you something important. Had your father not taught you well, you would feel differently perhaps. History isn't learned only from books and classrooms.

However clumsily I expressed it, you "remember" Pearl Harbor through the eyes and actions of others: your father's, the Monuments, the displays, the solemn atmosphere of the site; not from personal experience of the event or its time in history.

My comment was not to discount your feelings and emotions, but about the importance of creating those remembrances--teaching our children well--because the events themselves, and the context within which they occurred, are not part of their life experiences.

 

[DABSGT]

Good points! Since I've had a heart attack and I am on BP meds, I'm quite aware of those risks and I do not ever overdo any snow shoveling....frequent breaks are essential and don't try to lift too much in a shovel. And it isn't just we older guys that are susceptible...if you're in the 30's or 40's...especially if your job is mostly sedentary, you're actually at a greater risk of a massive heart attack.

Had mine at 46 after shoveling snow! Was a good reason to get my JD with a cab and plow added the snowblower last year and new tractor this year. Wish I had it before the heart attack though.

 

[Larro Darro]

I went out and played 'taps'. The neighbors out here at the lake [many are vets] like the way it sounds drifting across the water.

Hearing those notes still tug at my heart, almost 13 years after my father died. Daddy would be 91 if he was still alive, which means he was 18 years old 73 years ago. But like hundred of thousands of other farm boys around this great country, he traded the handles of a horse drawn plow for a rifle. After being wounded twice and spending 6 months in a German POW camp, he returned home to pick those plow handles back up. Like most of that generation, he never thought what he did was out of the ordinary. There were giants on the earth in those days.

Larro

 

[forestcreature1]

Hearing those notes still tug at my heart, almost 13 years after my father died. Daddy would be 91 if he was still alive, which means he was 18 years old 73 years ago. But like hundred of thousands of other farm boys around this great country, he traded the handles of a horse drawn plow for a rifle. After being wounded twice and spending 6 months in a German POW camp, he returned home to pick those plow handles back up. Like most of that generation, he never thought what he did was out of the ordinary. There were giants on the earth in those days.

Larro

Yeah, I know what you mean - I'll let you in on a secret - we stand a ways off from the ceremony site, and face a direction to avoid eye contact with the family so we don't screw up. [it also sounds better, but that is a side effect] Every note must be perfect at a funeral, regardless of the weather. [if you are going to screw up taps, do it on the base, not the gravesite <- advice given to me from the commander when I joined the drum & bugle corps.]

 

[forestcreature1]

Hearing those notes still tug at my heart, almost 13 years after my father died. Daddy would be 91 if he was still alive, which means he was 18 years old 73 years ago. But like hundred of thousands of other farm boys around this great country, he traded the handles of a horse drawn plow for a rifle. After being wounded twice and spending 6 months in a German POW camp, he returned home to pick those plow handles back up. Like most of that generation, he never thought what he did was out of the ordinary. There were giants on the earth in those days.

Larro

Yeah, I know what you mean - I'll let you in on a secret - we stand a ways off from the ceremony site, and face a direction to avoid eye contact with the family so we don't screw up. [it also sounds better, but that is a side effect] Every note must be perfect at a funeral, regardless of the weather. [if you are going to screw up taps, do it on the base, not the gravesite <- advice given to me from the commander when I joined the drum & bugle corps.]

 

[Pixguy]

There's a thread on Pearl Harbor with some interesting photos I hadn't seen over in Rural living I believe.
I remember standing at the Arizona memorial, my eyes welling up seeing the fuel still rising and skimmed cross a small area on the surface. I looked over and saw an older Japanese man there and wanting to lash out but of course didn't. There are lots of Japanese tourists in Hawaii but also Japanese Americans, so who knows. The memorial with all the names who lost their lives that fateful day got a strong emotion on me that visit. I recommend it for all.

 

[daugen]

45 degrees on a raw and blustery day. Rain forecast for tomorrow but nothing on the radar yet.
Busy but good day. Got all my remaining tulips and daffodils planted. My planting auger for my cordless drill is packed away so I had to get another one, and boy what a difference. Zip zip zip.
That step on planter turned out to be a bad idea due to the toughness of the grass here. But the drill does just fine.

Have decided to run a power cord over to the gazebo and light it up with a bunch of strings. Not many xmas house decorations up here yet. Needless to say I have more work to do on these lights.
I expect there to be some very interesting lawn ornaments going up shortly. Santa in camo on a beer keg. Santa with a deer rifle. Santa driving an old pickup with no mufflers whatsoever. Santa with a jug of shine. And my favorite, Santa holding up his gun and pointing at Rudolph hanging from a deer hook...

 

[daugen]

There's a thread on Pearl Harbor with some interesting photos I hadn't seen over in Rural living I believe.
I remember standing at the Arizona memorial, my eyes welling up seeing the fuel still rising and skimmed cross a small area on the surface. I looked over and saw an older Japanese man there and wanting to lash out but of course didn't. There are lots of Japanese tourists in Hawaii but also Japanese Americans, so who knows. The memorial with all the names who lost their lives that fateful day got a strong emotion on me that visit. I recommend it for all.

I forgot about the fuel...little tendrils of oil floating up after all these years.
I also recommend touring a concentration camp if you ever get to Germany.
16 of my very extended family died in one and it was something I had to do.
I believe I went to Dachau. My family was sent to Belzig, one with a 100% death rate.
**** On Earth.
Different, but ultimately the same as being in the engine room of that battleship going down into the mud of Pearl Harbor.

 

[Oldpath05]

I had the privilege and honor to look down in the water in Pearl Harbor.
Never will forget that. But will the young remember? Will they remember the Holocaust and the lessons we learned from it?
Will they remember 9-11 or will it just be a history question answer?

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" Don't know if that's true or not, but I think most people's memory starts fading after 10 years, or there like my kids, care more about shopping, smart phones, and what's going on, on FB. I guess it's human nature.

 

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by DABSGT View Post

Just a winter reminder to all of my TBN friends about snow shoveling.

The cold temperatures and heavy work load increase the risk of heart attack.
If you are over 40, or have history of heart disease, high blood pressure or are slightly overweight talk to your physician and please use care.

David
.......................................................................
Dang good advice David...I remember my nasty heart attack well,scare the chit out me 4 years 3days 30 mins ago.

 

[Thomas]

12F now clear sky temps dropping.
2"+ frozen solid even tractor wouldn't break thru and plow just rode on top,scraper blade did supper job w/no effort...driveway level w/plenty of grit.
3 neighbors ask if would do there driveway,2 neighbors said there snow blowers had no effect...that was short work.
Other neighbor didn't even make attempt nor try to shovel his walk way,and he has 2 teen boys that are just plain..... sure hope they got snow remove this afternoon...getting cold and dark.

Time watch little football and 60mins.

Stay warm all.