Glue??

TWINKLE_TOES · Dec 28, 2001

I just ran out of my life time supply of wood glue./w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif I went to the hardware store and could not find the same stuff. I have been using a tan powder that mixes with water. It machines well, won't gumm up blades, takes stain and is quite water resistant. Very strong and cleans up with water. Has the color of a "sugar daddy" when dry. I think it was made by Marine Tex. I don't care for the white and yellow "Elmers" type glues because they don't take stain and I always miss a spot or two when I clean up. They also are have poor water resistance. I also don't care much for the two part resorcinal glue. I am building cabinets for a boat and bookcases for the house.

I know there are quite a few woodworkers on this board and I could sure use some advise on a good glue.

Thanks in advance Al

Bird · Dec 28, 2001

Gosh, Al, your tan powder glue sounds like the stuff I used in woodworking shop in junior high school; didn't know if it was still made and haven't seen or used any of it in well over 45 years./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif But it really was great stuff.

Harv · Dec 28, 2001

Sounds like you're talking about Weldwood Glue. Great stuff. I used it for many, many years, but haven't shopped for it lately. I'm with you -- hope it's still around. /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif

RonL · Dec 28, 2001

TWINKLE_TOES
Have you tried Garrett Wade?

RonL

TWINKLE_TOES · Dec 28, 2001

Bird,
My only purchase was about 25 years ago (good shelflife /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif). I bought a 5 gallon bucket. I think it may have been put on the edangered species list or something. I think Washington plays Texas tonight. (I'll take Texas)
Al

MikePA · Dec 28, 2001

Here'a a link to <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.dap.com/retail/retail_detail.cfm?subcatid=103&catid=28&prodhdrid=42>Weldwood Glue</A>. They're owned by DAP.

Harv · Dec 28, 2001

You win, Mike! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

I was trying to post the same link when TBN went into labor pains for its re-birth. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

MikePA · Dec 28, 2001

Harv,

I got caught too! I got the link at the DAP site in one window, switched back to TBN and thought my link went dead. Then I actually read the message at the top and saw the upgrade was going on. So, I went and picked my daughter up at the local ski slope (we live 10 minutes away), came back and TBN was back up and improved.

TWINKLE_TOES · Dec 28, 2001

Ron,
Never heard of them, so I did a search and nice lead, thanks. I didn't see a description of the glue I like, but did find a place to buy "hide glue", "PVA glue".
I don't have a clue what they are, where is GlueGuy when you need him?/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
Al

TWINKLE_TOES · Dec 28, 2001

Harv and Mike,
Thanks for the leads. Sounds like the same stuff. I shall return to the market as an informed buyer and check it out. "Urea Formaldehyde" sure sounds like if it isn't banned it soon will be. If it's the right stuff I'll get another lifetime supply, shouldn't take as much this time around./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
Al

gator · Dec 28, 2001

Al,
Check out <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.gorillaglue.com> this stuff </A>.I havent used it yet but it sounds like pretty amazing stuff.

DocHeb · Dec 28, 2001

Hide glue is one of the original glues, used for thousands of years. It is made from animal cartilage, and is often used in antique furniture. It needs to be heated to be spreadable, and is used in primarily in furniture making since it can be removed easily and repaired.

PVA glue is the White and Yellow woodworking glue, with varying compositions making it have different working times and water resistance.

Polyurethane is a moisture activated glue that is very water resistant and is very strong. It has a tendency to absorb moisture from the air and often sets in the container. This is not the glue you're looking for.

Urea-Formaldehyde is a two part catalyst activated glue that is very strong and water resistant, but is a little difficult to work with.

I'm not sure of the type of glue you've used in the past. Check out <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.thistothat.com/index.shtml>This to That</A> for adhesive suggestions.

TWINKLE_TOES · Dec 28, 2001

gator,

Gorrilla glue? I'm working with wood!/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif Thanks for the link. I checked it out and it's sold by Lowe's near me. The boat cabinets are teak and the ad says it's waterproof and good for oily woods, certainly worth more investigation. Thanks gator.
Al

DocHeb · Dec 28, 2001

While the Gorilla Glue is not the powdered glue of your youth, it would be excellent for your teak. The trick to using glue on teak is to lightly sand the surface with 150 grit sandpaper and then wipe it with acetone. The acetone removes the surface oils that will make the glue joint fail (by the way, the oils help give the teak its water resistance). Then swab the surface with a slightly damp rag, and spread the Gorilla Glue. A little goes a long way since it expands as it cures. Let it cure and then scrape any excess off. If your try to wipe the excess off before it cures it will drive it into the pores of the wood and it will never come out.

TWINKLE_TOES · Dec 28, 2001

DocHeb,

AKA "glueguy"/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif Sounds like you know a little about this subject. I checked out "This to That" and bookmarked it. Thanks for the link/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif and the tips on Gorrilla glue. Do you know anything about the tan powder/water mix by Weldwood that Mike posted? The link says its a urea formaldehyde.
<font color=blue>the powdered glue of your youth</font color=blue> That was yet a different glue. It was white. You mixed it with water, worked good. Mom used it to make bread also.
Thanks Doc
Al

DocHeb · Dec 29, 2001

If you mom truly used it in bread it is probably Casein Glue, made from milk proteins. You can make your own!

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.mos.org/learn_more/ed_res/cheapbook/glue/>Make your own milk casein glue</A>.

This type of glue has been surplanted by the synthetic PVA "white glues", but probably could be found with a Google.com search.

The Weldwood powder is two dry chemicals that dissolve in water to allow the catalyst to trigger the urea-formaldehyde reaction. I haven't used this glue, but my brother used it on an oak table that has been outside for years without delamination.

GlueGuy · Dec 29, 2001

I think I think the stuff you're talking about is Weldwood, but resorcinol also used to come as a powder like that. These days resorcinol is a 2-part system.

For lots of choices on high-quality glues, try <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.aircraftspruce.com/main.html>Aircraft Spruce and Specialty</A>

TWINKLE_TOES · Dec 29, 2001

GlueGuy,

Thanks for the link, interesting site, I ordered their catalog. The glue I have been using was recommend by a "fine woodworker". He said "use this stuff", told me where to get some, and I did. My fading memory recalls it as resorcinal. Is there urea formaldehyde and resorcinal formaldehyde? I can only find the two part mix when I ask for resorcinal. Also, I gotta ask about your handle, is it all related to glue?/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
Thanks for your help/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Al

GlueGuy · Dec 30, 2001

<font color=blue>gotta ask about your handle, is it all related to glue?</font color=blue>

Only partially. When I built the Long-EZ, I learned a fair amount about glue (epoxy mainly), but where I work, we were working on a fairly intense project that involved bits and pieces from all over the place. I was responsible for pulling it all together, formulating a plan to "make it all look cohesive", and making it work. It was not clear that it was even "do-able", and there was a large amount of company money bet on the expectation that it would actually work. About a year and a half after we started (and spent almost $3 million of the company's money), it became clear that it really was going to work as we expected (maybe even better than we expected /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif). We had a little celebration, because the team that I was working with had been spending 16 hour days for that time, and my boss announced a little toast to us, and turned to me and said, "Bill, you are the Glue Guy!". One of the proudest moments of my life. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

TresCrows · Dec 30, 2001

I saw Weldwood at Home Depot I think. I used that stuff when I was a preteen to build a small hydro racer. Me and my grandfather also used it to build a small sailboat. It requires good contact. You might check some Marine Supply houses for glues and some furniture/hobby/woodworking outlets also.
J