Buying Advice Glide shift transmission versus hydrostatic

[teg]

No grinding on the GST, on gears 1-6 I will direct shift, 7 and above I will start at 7 and work up using the throttle peddle through the gears just like a truck.

It was with the higher gears... I guess you are talking a big rig truck about using the throttle peddle??? Not sure what you mean... (wondering what to tell my friend, he just gave up and uses the clutch like a "normal" tractor... and doesn't use the GST feature)

If properly run I can beat with my GST any HST...

What the rush... :confused3:

 

[Oldoak]

Just one more individual's opinion, expressed on You-Tube.

I believe this comment about it covers it all.

"Hydro is nice for heavy, daily loader work but more expensive, whines & robs power so you need a larger tractor to do the same job. I believe that almost if not all commercial/industrial TLBs use shuttle shift exclusively for these reasons."

It's all a matter of personal preference. Just like vehicles. Some people can handle a standard shift quite well while others need a automatic.

Edit: I believe we all can find pros and cons to both the GST and the HST transmissions as evident in this thread. No one size (transmission type) fits all.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Doing it wrong, turn 90 degrees grip with grapple and pull straight out. Done exact thing many times.

David

Off camera right next to me was an ever-growing slash pile that left me without enough room to continue pulling that windfall out with a chain or grappling it straight out.

I was working on the other side of this pile that had become twice as large from when this photo was taken.

 

[airbiscuit]

Doing it wrong...

David

Oooooh! Words that are seldom spoken about EricTheOracle :grumpy:

 

[Fallon]

Just one more individual's opinion, expressed on You-Tube.

I believe this comment about it covers it all.

"Hydro is nice for heavy, daily loader work but more expensive, whines & robs power so you need a larger tractor to do the same job. I believe that almost if not all commercial/industrial TLBs use shuttle shift exclusively for these reasons."

It's all a matter of personal preference. Just like vehicles. Some people can handle a standard shift quite well while others need a automatic.

Dozers, front end loaders & what not are changing over to HST. Bigger ag tractors at the top end off the CUT range or bigger are gear shift because they are targeted at pulling a plow or what not and the 15% HP penalty isn't worth it pulling a plow for hours on end.

I'm a HST fan myself, but don't have anything against a FAT or PowerShift. Both are very superior to a manual.

A HST is more precise with less effort & can be pushed to max load even as the load varies. Handy when blowing snow, mowing & stuff. Just keep pushing the pedal harder until the RPMs drop then ease off a hair. You can get a gear or GST as precise as a HST, but it's harder on clutches & takes more work. The HST shines on slopes for precise stuff. No rolling or juggling clutch & brakes, the HST keeps you put when your foot is off the go pedal except for a tiny creep.

The whine is a little annoying, but my cab mitigates it a lot.

 

[mike69440]

No grinding on the GST, on gears 1-6 I will direct shift, 7 and above I will start at 7 and work up using the throttle peddle through the gears just like a truck.

On the BX I will tap the HST peddle for 3 point hookups. On the L3130GST I will set 1 or 2 notches on the parking brake and leave it in 1st and just bump the shuttle for 3 point hookups and kicking to neutral before the kill timer kicks in.. Do not tell the tractor police please.

If properly run I can beat with my GST any HST in any many to medium to longer distance loader runs. As I can go directly from loading gear (2 or 3) to travel speed 7+ most times the HST needs L or M for loading full buckets. Short distance the HST will beat me slightly.

David

David

I have a bypass switch on my seat safety switch. The Tractor Police will be on my trail. You and I know think the same on GST. I plow snow with the GST, 7th to 11th gear depending on the snow

 

[David_Kb7uns]

It was with the higher gears... I guess you are talking a big rig truck about using the throttle peddle??? Not sure what you mean... (wondering what to tell my friend, he just gave up and uses the clutch like a "normal" tractor... and doesn't use the GST feature)


What the rush... :confused3:

Yes in the higher gears above 7 rev up engine and release move shifter 1 or 2 notches depending on if flat or hill and hit the throttle again while it clutches, pauses to shift forks and unclutches, on the newer GST transmissions it tracks tractor and engine speed, oil temp and pressure and modulates the timing of the clutch solenoid to provide a smooth shift, never need to use the foot clutch except in emergency.

GST= Glide Shift Transmission shifts on the fly easy

Since it is full synchronized you just move the shifter (lever is attached to a potentiometer) a notch or two and the ECU does all shifting of forks and clutching, somebody used to an automatic transmission can pick it up quickly.


David

 

[DK35vince]

Off camera right next to me was an ever-growing slash pile that left me without enough room to continue pulling that windfall out with a chain or grappling it straight out.

I was working on the other side of this pile that had become twice as large from when this photo was taken.

Then simply pick the log up higher and pull it over the top that twig of a tree you were trapped behind.
Or pull it straight out the other direction.
Sure looks like you were making things unnecessarily difficult trying to prove your point to me.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

"Hydro is nice for heavy, daily loader work but more expensive, whines & robs power so you need a larger tractor to do the same job.

Personally, I just HATE that hydro wine... It would drive me nuts to have to listen to it all day...

As for rototillers and gear drive, I prefer it. I can select the proper speed and let the tractor do it's own thing holding that speed, hour after hour.

Most guys go waaay too slow when rototilling, in my gardens and the folks I till for, we want to maintain good "soil structure", not beat the soil to death going too slooow.

SR

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

My experience with the two is about and garden tractor I have ever been on was HST and I loved it there, my tractor is HST and I still love it, I drove a partially synchronized shuttle shift in a 6105D a farmer let me use to load up bales when I bought off him, first geared bigger tractor that I had driven and I didn't have and probs with it.

It would take a bit to get used to and make operations smooth and flawless but I pulled it out of his barn, loaded up round bales onto a trailer from where he stored them and parked the tractor back where I found it, I did that 4 diff times buying 3 bales a trip.

Would I want a shuttle over HST? No, HST runs circles around the geared tractor with precision and speed with loader work, I'm sure with time you could get as smooth as HST but would take practice.

If I was tilling fields all day and used it for Ag type work, heavy pulling for long hours I would prefer a geared tractor just for the extra HP.

Honestly I would be happy with both, if I had a geared tractor, I'm sure there will be many times I wish I had a HST tractor, so far I have never wished I had a geared tractor.

But the correct range is very important with HST tractors, I run mainly in mid range which is good up to 7-8mph, low range is max at 3.5mph, high is 15.9mph. About all high range is good for is road gear, I would never attempt to pull much with high, it's kinda like starting a 5 speed car in 4th gear, gotta go slow off the start or engine bogs way down. Pulling at road speeds, I feel I would rather have geared tranny.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Then simply pick the log up higher and pull it over the top that twig of a tree you were trapped behind.
Or pull it straight out the other direction.
Sure looks like you were making things unnecessarily difficult trying to prove your point to me.

When I watch videos I give people the benefit of the doubt that they know what their doing in the context that they find themselves in. Too bad nobody was there to teach me a better, more efficient way.

So you know: I avoid damaging living oaks when their sap is running so I lessen the risk of oak wilt killing off thousands of oak trees on my property.

 

[Baby Grand]

Going on 10 years with a GST on an L3240 & still very pleased with its performance.
This tractor is a fairly high weight/HP combination and the GST allows the tractor to put more power into doing work by wasting less HP making heat.
Extremely fine position control is routinely handled by using a low gear, throttle & clutch, together - it just takes a little more coordination to do it.
“I never said it would be easy, I only said it would be worth it.”
― Mae West
Best transmission, ever:

 

[number two]

Going on 10 years with a GST on an L3240 & still very pleased with its performance.
This tractor is a fairly high weight/HP combination and the GST allows the tractor to put more power into doing work by wasting less HP making heat.

Best transmission, ever:

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Good memories Baby Grand!
Drove a few Tri-Plex Macks a long time ago.
Lot's of fun for a kid.
Never could move both sticks at a time without grinding or getting lost.
Thanks for the post!

 

[mopardude318]

As some of you seen my other thread on which tractor I should buy, I am having trouble deciding between the transmission choices, HST or GST. I think for what I will be doing, a little bit of everything, esp loader work, an HST would probably be better for me, being a new tractor operator.

EricTheOracle, thanks for the video. I kinda see what was going on there.

Tractor shopping is exciting and frustrating at the same time. Lol.

 

[teg]

...Tractor shopping is exciting and frustrating at the same time. Lol.

Have you thought about what TIRES you should put on that new tractor!!!! That's another can of worms....

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

Have you thought about what TIRES you should put on that new tractor!!!! That's another can of worms....

Which debate? The R1, R4 and turf tires or the windshield washer fluid, rim guard or foam?

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Which debate? The R1, R4 and turf tires or the windshield washer fluid, rim guard or foam?

Rim guard. That's easy.

Tire wise, lots of mud, lots of snow or something tough?

 

[mopardude318]

Have you thought about what TIRES you should put on that new tractor!!!! That's another can of worms....

yes, im almost positive the R4 tires will work for my application, due to them providing a lower and wider stance, and possibly able to hold a little more liquid.

as far as what liquid? i havent looked into that yet, but seems rim guard is the best, however, most expensive..


as a side note, the more i think about which tractor, i lean more and more towards that Grand L 5460!
dang, they are not cheap...but the longer I wait, the more $$ I have for a down payment each week, which helps me rationalize my desire for a grand L...lol...

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

yes, im almost positive the R4 tires will work for my application, due to them providing a lower and wider stance, and possibly able to hold a little more liquid.

as far as what liquid? i havent looked into that yet, but seems rim guard is the best, however, most expensive..


as a side note, the more i think about which tractor, i lean more and more towards that Grand L 5460!
dang, they are not cheap...but the longer I wait, the more $$ I have for a down payment each week, which helps me rationalize my desire for a grand L...lol...

Don't buy out of you means or you won't have the tractor long enough to pay it off.

There's advantages and disadvantages to rim guard, nothing's perfect.

 

[Fallon]

yes, im almost positive the R4 tires will work for my application, due to them providing a lower and wider stance, and possibly able to hold a little more liquid.

as far as what liquid? i havent looked into that yet, but seems rim guard is the best, however, most expensive..


as a side note, the more i think about which tractor, i lean more and more towards that Grand L 5460!
dang, they are not cheap...but the longer I wait, the more $$ I have for a down payment each week, which helps me rationalize my desire for a grand L...lol...

The L5460 has bigger tires (I think) & more HP than my L4060, but the same frame. Other than being able to take a slightly bigger loader than the L4060 for marketing reasons it won't do more work than the L4060. It however will do things faster. I was wishing for more HP when mowing some tough fiberous yucca today & a bit on roading to & from the gig. I didn't stall it, but the bigger yucca put the burn on my engine & really tried. But the extra cost for that extra HP wasn't & still isn't worth it for me. That turbo (think 54 is the one they finally turbo) would be nice at my altiude though.

I'm a fan of R4's for the extra carying capacity & durability, not to mention not tearing out the ground quite as much. Much more of a comprimise tire than R1's pure focus on traction, but I'm happy with that comprimise. My dealer uses bio ballast instead of rim guard, but I'm happy with t. Similar cost, weight & freezing chararistics. I'd consider methonol (windshield washer fluid) or non-toxic anti-freeze if I were penny pinching, but bio ballast or beat juice (Rim Guard) is the best for weight & enviromental concerns.