Buying Advice First time on 5 acres - tractor selection?

   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #41  
A BH attachment is not single use. I've used mine for all sorts of things I never expected to be able to do. It's a hydraulic shovel that beats the tarred feathers out of a long handled one. Within ten to fifteen minutes of deciding I want to dig a hole or scrape some ground, I can be doing it.


The other debate between mid mount and trailing mowers is also getting old and worn out. Trailing mowers seriously affect maneuverability. I can get up to edging and pavement and in many cases under fencing with my 60" MMM that cuts out beyond the tire track. I don't have to worry about trying to turn a trailing mower when backing up either.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #42  
A BH attachment is not single use. I've used mine for all sorts of things I never expected to be able to do. It's a hydraulic shovel that beats the tarred feathers out of a long handled one. Within ten to fifteen minutes of deciding I want to dig a hole or scrape some ground, I can be doing it.


The other debate between mid mount and trailing mowers is also getting old and worn out. Trailing mowers seriously affect maneuverability. I can get up to edging and pavement and in many cases under fencing with my 60" MMM that cuts out beyond the tire track. I don't have to worry about trying to turn a trailing mower when backing up either.

Your mower situation may be different from many others'. I have a front mount mower on my FEL arms. I can get into 90 degree inside corners and leave just an 8" arc in the very corner. I can reach 3' under overhanging branches. A rear finish mower would do similar. A mid mount mower won't do that.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #43  
I can get up to edging and pavement and in many cases under fencing with my 60" MMM that cuts out beyond the tire track. I don't have to worry about trying to turn a trailing mower when backing up either.
My 3 point mower sticks out beyond the tire track also, its 84" wide. I do the same with it.
Not sure what you mean by "trying to turn a trailing mower when backing up"". 3 point rear finish mowers are hooked to the 3 point. They turn with the tractor.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #44  
We’ve officially turned the OP’s request for advice into an epic TBN backhoe/mid-mount mower smackdown.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #45  
Since your goal seems to be nothing but a troll here, this is my last reply to you. Feel free to troll away after, but I will be ignoring you from this point forward.

If you will hone your reading comprehension skills, and re-read my initial post, where I refer to "belly mowers", my original comment is this:

For a mower, a belly mower will drastically reduce the amount of ground clearance your tractor has while it's on. Yes they can be taken on and off, but on most designs, it is not super simple or easy. Not near as bad as taking on and off a backhoe, but it may make you not take it off maybe every time you should, or hesitate to put it back on when you kind of need it. And a belly mower won't take much abuse from heavy brush or rocks or other small debris that a true rear mounted brush hog style cutter will breeze over and take in stride.

I have emboldened the phrase that seems to have escaped you.

I would think most people with mediocre or better reading comprehension skills would infer from that that a belly mower is NOT SUPER EASY TO TAKE OFF. However, since John Deere NOW makes at least 2 different drive over decks with their AUTO CONNECT feature (which is NOT a MANUAL CONNECT feature like the one you are complaining about-hence the term "auto-connect" in their product description), then my comment holds true that there are SOME decks that are easy to remove and reconnect.

You do get that concept, don't you?

If MOST are NOT "super easy", then that leaves some room for SOME to BE super easy.

Are you following along still?

Then you seemed to miss a few points in this paragraph as well:

Hanging a 3 point hitch style rear mower, either finish or brush, off the back of your tractor will make it hard to maneuver around obstacles, buildings, cars, etc while you're mowing. A belly mower would be easier to mow around obstacles with, but it will still be difficult to get close to walls, sprinklers, flower beds, etc. You'll need some kind of secondary mower for getting around "stuff" in your yard and around the house. Either a push mower, or a riding mower will be needed, as well as some kind of string trimmer/weed eater for getting the last finish work done.

You seem to be confused. The point about maneuvering with a 3 pt mower is you have to be able to turn the thing around. That's a LOT of length hanging off the back end of the tractor. You have to be able to swing it around in a turn without hitting anything. We're talking about a yard around a house, not a pasture or road ditches.

Maybe also see the comment about belly mowers being difficult to get close to "walls, sprinklers, flower beds..."

Seems like I stated the exact same things that you're talking about, with the main difference being I'm talking about having room to swing that 3 pt mower around in turns. Sure if you want to back-and-forth and back-and-forth mow to get around obstacles, you can use a 3 pt mower in a yard. Depends on the yard, I guess. I have a 3 pt mower. It's a 6 footer. I can't mow my yard with it because I'd be making little baby step back and forth turns to get it around in the yard. Waste of time. But I didn't say you "couldn't". I merely said it wouldn't be practical. I haven't seen the OP's yard to know if it will work for him, but neither have you. One small "Google Earth" picture posted in the thread doesn't tell the tale.

As for backhoes, you have your opinion, I have mine. We'll agree to disagree. But, if you'll bother to read what I posted initially:

It sounds to me like you could skip the backhoe attachment. They are expensive, heavy, and a pain in the 3-point to put on, remove and store when not in use. Having a flat, level paved area to set it on when storing it off the tractor will help, but then that is taking up valuable space while just sitting there gathering dust.

They are expensive. Do you think that's wrong?

They are heavy. Are they not?

You've said you disagree with them being a pain to put on or take off. Fine. Your opinion vs. my opinion.

But are you assuming the OP has the "flat, level paved area to set it on when storing it off the tractor..." that I referenced?

Have you ever taken one off, or put it back on while on UNEVEN ground? Say on uneven dirt, gravel, or just sitting in the grass?

Are you just assuming the OP has this golden space of smooth, flat, level concrete to park this thing on and leave it there?


So go ahead. Troll away at your pleasure. Please feel free to make more references to me "not knowing how to drive", or anything else. It helps put the rest of your "comments" in the frame of reference they deserve.

You forgot to highlight the part that reads 渡ot near as bad as taking on or off a backhoe which says more than anything else you posted.
Now you define driving around obstacles in a manner not consistent with cutting the grass. Most folks don稚 just drive around things since the goal is to cut the grass. That痴 why we have the mower on to begin with!


I know a guy who didn稚 buy a backhoe for his tractor because he read on this forum how hard they are to put on and off. He now knows differently as he has been here when I attached mine. The entire reason he didn稚 buy it is due to the false part of statements from folks like you who bury a lie or two inside what can be a otherwise harmless post but the untruth stands out.
He was scared of a 塗eavy attachment that was hard to hook up when the truth is that the heavy attachment is actually easy to hook up when compared with many other things.

From the zoom in on his property I would without hesitation say I wouldn稚 buy a mid mount mower! Especially if I own a backhoe as everything sure looks easy to keep open or open up. But that is something he will have to decide based on your experience and mine combined. The difference is I won稚 throw in little lies with truths to mislead him!
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #46  
This thread has made me decide that next year when I pay off my boat and car, I'm gonna take up payments on a backhoe for the mx5200.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #47  
"Backhoes excel at trenching"... over what? A shovel? Certainly not an excavator.

Many years ago I rented a small tracked excavator for a weekend rental to put in a 24' x 32' x 4' deep foundation for a garage/barn. I had never operated an excavator before that day. I dug 112' of 4' deep trench 3' wide for the foundation in less than 2 hours, removed dozens of small trees 4" in diameter, and returned the excavator with only 4 hours on it for a half-day rental VS thinking it was gonna take all weekend.

Excavators are way better at the task than backhoes. Positioning is faster, you can get them into tighter spaces, you can rotate 360 degrees, etc...

Well, I do not agree. The statement was about TRENCHING. While I would not say a backhoe excels at TRENCHING over an excavator, it is a close call. When TRENCHING you only need 90 degrees of swing and can spin around and move the backhoe forward rather quickly. An excavator is a little faster at moving during trenching.

That said, in overall DIGGING an excavator excels over a backhoe. For GENERAL PURPOSE a backhoe excels over an excavator.

Anyone who disagrees with that I challenge them to get their excavator a mile away and dig a hole to bury a cow or whatever. A backhoe would be done and back in the barn about the time the excavator would be loaded on a trailer to go there. God forbid anyone transports the excavator on its tracks to a spot a mile away.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #48  
^^ And I've done that twice for a neighbor, way back deep in his fields.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #49  
Jeff gave you a good answer for most everything. If your ground is uneven at all or brushy at all, the BX or SCUT JD is too low to the ground, and the BX has hydraulic oil cooler and fan underneath that can get damaged. I had a lemony JD 1025R but had a good experience with a JD 2025R so far and a JD 4010 (would be a 2019E if produced today) for 9 years and 660 hours until its Ujoint blew apart off the back of the engine to the HST shaft. You need at least a Kubota B. Think Jeff is leaning you towards maybe a Kubota L or M. I'm considering a Kubota B to replace the 2025R in a couple years (to avoid having its Ujoint blow apart on me). All my 3 JDs were awesome in the snow with either turf or R4 tires, using FEL and 5' back blade.

Ralph
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection?
  • Thread Starter
#50  
Hi all- thanks for all weighing in. A couple of notes: I don稚 plan on getting any finish mower anytime soon since the front yard (the only section with a true lawn look) is only about 1/8 acre. I have a self propelled push mower for that and if I can pick up a cheap rider or ZTR down the road I think I could call that good.

With regard to the backhoe: the French drain project is the shortest term one. That is about 200 long. In the next few years I will also probably be building a little cabin for guests and want to do some site work for that, and running power out about 300? I may also be burying cable for ham radio antennas in the next year or so. One of the scary things about renting would be that it would be my first time operating a BH- so its not clear that I could make efficient use of my rental.

Really appreciate the weigh-in from everyone. If I took a look at the new holland lineup, does anyone know a pound for pound and HP competitor to the L2501? Do the hydraulics on the new holland allow for multiple operations (lift and curl, etc?)

Leaning strongly towards the L2501 at present.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #51  
If I look at New Holland, does anyone know a pound for pound and HP competitor to the L2501?

Within subcompact and compact tractor categories, a significant tractor capability increase requires a bare tractor weight increase of 50%. It takes a 100% increase in bare tractor weight to elicit MY-OH-MY!


Every tractor manufacturer makes competitors to the Kubota L2501. Pull up the web sites and surf.

The key specs for L2501 are 2,700 pounds bare tractor weight, three (3) range HST transmission, high torque 100 cubic inch engine just under 26-horsepower requirements for Tier IV emission controls, which saves about $2,500 on emission controls.
 
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   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #52  
If I took a look at the new holland lineup, does anyone know a pound for pound and HP competitor to the L2501? Do the hydraulics on the new holland allow for multiple operations (lift and curl, etc?)

Again, LS makes New Holland machines, so if you want to go NH, look at LS and you might be able to save some money. The XJ2025 came with a BH, but the new MT225HE (hydro) doesn't show one. Since the MT225E (gear) does, it may just be an oversight on the web page. That machine in in the 2400Lb and 25HP range.

MT2E Series Compact Tractors | LS Tractor
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #53  
Well, I do not agree. The statement was about TRENCHING. While I would not say a backhoe excels at TRENCHING over an excavator, it is a close call. When TRENCHING you only need 90 degrees of swing and can spin around and move the backhoe forward rather quickly. An excavator is a little faster at moving during trenching.

That said, in overall DIGGING an excavator excels over a backhoe. For GENERAL PURPOSE a backhoe excels over an excavator.

Anyone who disagrees with that I challenge them to get their excavator a mile away and dig a hole to bury a cow or whatever. A backhoe would be done and back in the barn about the time the excavator would be loaded on a trailer to go there. God forbid anyone transports the excavator on its tracks to a spot a mile away.

Yes. The statement was about trenching. Excavators are better at trenching than backhoes. They're also better at general excavating.

The OP wants a compact tractor. That means a compact backhoe. Which is even less capable than a very small excavator at trenching and other general excavating projects.


 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #54  
If digging a big hole is the idea I’d put the 18” bucket in n the shed where it belongs and use my 36”. And with a size difference of that much the excavator has zero chance of winning. The excavator might trench marginally faster but they really suck at back filling.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #55  
Again, LS makes New Holland machines, so if you want to go NH, look at LS and you might be able to save some money. The XJ2025 came with a BH, but the new MT225HE (hydro) doesn't show one. Since the MT225E (gear) does, it may just be an oversight on the web page. That machine in in the 2400Lb and 25HP range.

MT2E Series Compact Tractors | LS Tractor

Second this opinion
If your going to look at NH then I would also suggest looking at LS if you have a dealership even remotely close. The last I was able to look and check prices the machines were very close as the only difference was the color and loader specs. The price was way different in the favor of LS.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #56  
If the contest was CTL and excavator vs backhoe you might be getting somewhere but you have little chance of beating a backhoe by itself. And comparing a excavator to a tractor backhoe was flawed from the start. At least use a real TLB. Backhoe vs Excavator - YouTube
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #57  
If digging a big hole is the idea I壇 put the 18 bucket in n the shed where it belongs and use my 36? And with a size difference of that much the excavator has zero chance of winning. The excavator might trench marginally faster but they really suck at back filling.

the smaller excavator in the video beat the larger TLB in backfilling. they also did the comparisons with same size buckets.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #58  
the smaller excavator in the video beat the larger TLB in backfilling. they also did the comparisons with same size buckets.
Yet, why didn't they just use the front bucket on the backhoe to backfill most of the ditch vs using the backhoe to backfill.??
Would have been a whole lot faster..
 
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   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #59  
Yet, why didn't they just use the front bucket on the backhoe to backfill most of the ditch vs using the backhoe to backfill.??
Would have been a whole lot faster..

That’s why when I was in construction every time I sent out the track hoe it was followed by a truck with a loader or at the least a bobcat. Because it’s just a one trick pony!
The biggest part that everyone is missing is we are not talking about heavy construction work here but rather light duty work in most cases with limited medium duty chores thrown in every once in awhile.
If your looking to do heavy digging and turn your yard into a construction site it’s most likely best to pay the job done by a professional that has all the equipment. Just don’t be surprised when they show up with two machines, one for digging and one for everything else.
 
   / First time on 5 acres - tractor selection? #60  
the smaller excavator in the video beat the larger TLB in backfilling. they also did the comparisons with same size buckets.

I don’t care that they were equal. If time is important use a big bucket to dig a big hole. My 18” backhoe bucket holds 5.3 cubic feet. My 36” holds over 15. It’s obvious which one moves more dirt. I didn’t even finish the video to see that part. I’ve used a mini to dig ditches before and i hated it. My backhoe would be way faster.
 

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