Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[MossRoad]

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What about Hydro?...

Locally in our hometown....

Notre Dame dedicates new hydro facility along St. Joseph River in South Bend

The University of Notre Dame dedicated a new hydroelectric facility, ND Hydro, along the St. Joseph River during a ceremony Monday (Sept. 12) in downtow...

news.nd.edu

 

[WM75Guy]

Here is a NIMBY reaction to a solar farm near us and someone wanting to tell others what they can do with their land. I like that he said they didn't have a way to voice their concerns. He must have been living a sheltered life.

Dike community to vote on possible incorporation into city in response to solar farm build

“The landowners that have leased this land had already signed leases and everything had been done before most of the community members ever found out about it. So by that time, we had no way of voicing our opinion or our concerns.” said resident Kirk Reams.

www.kltv.com

In 2020, the Hopkins County Commissioners Court approved to build a solar farm in the community of Dike. Construction has already begun. But many community members are against the project, like Kirk Reams.

“The landowners that have leased this land had already signed leases and everything had been done before most of the community members ever found out about it. So by that time, we had no way of voicing our opinion or our concerns.” said Reams.

Reams says he is concerned about the location of the solar farm, saying they are stripping away the nature that once occupied the land.

“If you knew what this land looked like before, it will break your heart because there was cattle on it, there was ducks, deer, wildlife and everything out there.”

 

[MossRoad]

Stripping away all that nature that once occupied the land.... next words: because there was cattle on it.

 

[walhondingMF]

What about Hydro? There have been Hydroelectric plants producing energy for almost as long as there has been commercially available electricity. What, because some broke dick duck doesn't like rushing water or fish ladders are causing undue stress on fish this is a bad technology? Or, it it just these technologies don't fit the current "narrative"? E.g., there isn't enough money to line this administration's pockets.

I believe the biggest push back on hydro has not come from the "greenies" because they have been pushing back for years and got nowhere. Some more local to the issue can correct me but the commercial and recreational fishing industries have been fighting dams very hard. They have been raising a lot of funding and working on local political levels to prevent new dams and have old ones removed.
You do what you want, but don't mess with a man's fishing lol.

 

[MossRoad]

I believe large dams are not conducive to fish migration. Even with fish ladders, it's a long way up, and even with screening technology, many fry end up dying in the intakes.

Also, a lot of silting behind the dams was not planned for.

We have quit the salmon fishery here in northern Indiana. The local river ends in Lake Michigan. There are 5 dams with fish ladders that allow about a 65 mile migration. But they are not large dams.

https://fotsjr.wildapricot.org/Resources/Documents/FotSJR%20September%202010%20Newsletter_Final.pdf

 

[RidgeTopWVA]

Ford first quarter revenue, profits top estimates; EV unit loses $722 million

Ford's Q1 earnings on Tuesday will break down results by its three new business segments for the first time.

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[bvanek]

This thread started out as someones concern for his daughters property being surrounded by a forest of solar panels....I don't want to speak for anyone but myself in here I would share those same concerns, as in turning our rural landscape into a plastic and metal forest.

I homesteaded some raw land over 40 years ago putting myself as far away from the metropolitan bustle as I could. ( I was a rural kid and I guess it was in my blood,). But I still needed my manufacturing job back towards the city so I did the commute over 50 miles one way. I had to drive by Trojan Nuclear plant (now decommissioned)......This plant was built on a wetlands and to this day the waste is still stored on site. We know that plants of this type are no longer being built in the US.....There is new technology but here's the rub; the "green new deal" can't promote their ideological plan (using the virtue signal of climate change) with nuclear in mind. It goes against their chosen plan which is about Europeans and China extracting money from the USA and nothing to do with viable energy options.
I have a very negative opinion on wind turbines and solar panels dominating large tracks of land and that alone gives me pause......but to be clear, it's the devious purpose behind this plot to take down America that should concern everyone. You can't spin this into jobs for Americans when the market is already cornered with a heavy reliance on China....they love us as a market, but not a free one.Their global corporate counterparts, with their administrators(enablers) in our government have no problem being beholding to China and undermining our economy in the process.....Power and control is behind this "green scam". If you think otherwise then you are sadly mistaken.......

I would never take issue with private solar panels and wind turbines to supplement electrical supply. Probably depends on where you live...each person will have their own options, but it should not be forced or mandated, nor should viable options for each individual be eliminated ......even if they wanted to mine coal or drill for oil on their own property. Freedom means freedom of choice, property rights, and of course limited government.

A couple other notes: (1) natural gas has been "targeted" by the green fan club as it's a fossil fuel...The fail-safe line some might use as support for a more realistic approach to energy and I agree... it's simply a smart choice ( but to use it to fund wind-solar projects is simply Robbing Peter to pay Paul ...also, lets be clear, if they ban the appliances that use this source (as they have done in NY and leaning towards in CA) then one must conclude that they are not done with their politics here. (they never are) Not too many people realize just how clean and efficient this source is and those in charge simply don't care.

(2) There has been some talk in here about the offshore wind turbines. Sonic waves/vibrations both in exploration and after they are up and running interfere with marine animals navigation and can cause them to be stranded on beaches or repel them from their particular environment that may be their migratory route or their breeding or food sources......also they are taking up fishing, crabbing, lobster areas in ever increasing numbers..... Replacing food with so called progress is nonsense and since these are foreign owned projects how does it make sense that we give up our resources for another nations economy? let them put these on their own lands, not ours. This is insanity and we have to get these people out of control as they are demolishing our country.

ps; the sun warms the planet. Co2 and water vapor (clouds) are the thermostat and neither are harmful to our planet. The earths carbon cycle is much more complex than the Co2 expelled from Gretta's big mouth.

 

[walhondingMF]

Back to the origin of this thread...

I have a solution to the initial issue. How about we make the farm land more valuable to the farmer as... FARM LAND than it is with solar panels, wind turbines, oil jacks, house etc. We can talk all we want about having cheap energy but maybe we shouldn't want cheap food. Ask yourself, how much more money would you pay for your food for their land to stay agricultural? How about to prevent the next generation of rural people to not sell their family farm to (China, Russia, Saudia Arabia (yes, all of these countries own land IN AMERICA!)? It happened long before B----n, T---P, O----A, etc. Land owners can sell to anyone they want. What about rural and farm land becoming the new big investment for the wealthy. Bill Gates is looking for a place to put his money.
Find a way to make it all have to stay rural/ farm land. That would force the majority of energy production and trash disposal to urban areas. It would reduce urban sprawl.

There, I fixed it all

 

[KilroyJC]

I never understood the appeal of owning a super yacht. Incredible outlay of cash for a few weeks of vacation. If I were super wealthy, I'd rent.

When I was a kid, a friend of mine's father owned a 100' yacht on lake Michigan. They traded it in on a 110' yacht a few years later. While that pales in comparison to a super yacht, it was still longer than our house.

Who do you think rents out the super-yachts? The rents pay their carrying costs.

 

[KilroyJC]

Back to the origin of this thread...

I have a solution to the initial issue. How about we make the farm land more valuable to the farmer as... FARM LAND than it is with solar panels, wind turbines, oil jacks, house etc. We can talk all we want about having cheap energy but maybe we shouldn't want cheap food. Ask yourself, how much more money would you pay for your food for their land to stay agricultural? How about to prevent the next generation of rural people to not sell their family farm to (China, Russia, Saudia Arabia (yes, all of these countries own land IN AMERICA!)? It happened long before B----n, T---P, O----A, etc. Land owners can sell to anyone they want. What about rural and farm land becoming the new big investment for the wealthy. Bill Gates is looking for a place to put his money.
Find a way to make it all have to stay rural/ farm land. That would force the majority of energy production and trash disposal to urban areas. It would reduce urban sprawl.

There, I fixed it all

Completely eliminating and banning the Inheritance Tax is a good start. Revisiting/overturning Wickard v. Filburn would also be good.

 

[walhondingMF]

Completely eliminating and banning the Inheritance Tax is a good start. Revisiting/overturning Wickard v. Filburn would also be good.

Inheritance tax is just silly. If I remember anything about what I was taught, it was simply a way to fund a war... int the 1800s!?!? It's been manipulated and altered over the years, but it still exists. I'll vote for a politician, regardless of party, that runs to eliminate that.
I was also not familiar with the Wickard v. Filburn case. From a quick search and overview, I agree with you there also.

 

[KilroyJC]

With you here. It actually makes it harder for those who are legitimate, serious and realistic about the situation (like me).

Now I ain’t EVER leaving.

 

[OzarkChris]

Locally in our hometown....

Notre Dame dedicates new hydro facility along St. Joseph River in South Bend

The University of Notre Dame dedicated a new hydroelectric facility, ND Hydro, along the St. Joseph River during a ceremony Monday (Sept. 12) in downtow...

news.nd.edu

But look at all of the Hydro plants being shut down on the left coast!

 

[MossRoad]

But look at all of the Hydro plants being shut down on the left coast!

Yeah, those lefties are horrible... almost as bad as the righties, the great plainsies, the southies, the midwesties...

 

[bvanek]

I believe large dams are not conducive to fish migration. Even with fish ladders, it's a long way up, and even with screening technology, many fry end up dying in the intakes.

I live in the pacific NW....hydro plants along the Columbia have very efficient fish ladders that work just fine. In addition to this, the dam also provides, recreation, irrigation, and flood control. Not to mention affordable power..... and with infrastructure already in place, cheaper to get to the customer.....but it is also connected to a grid that moves this power elsewhere.......Originally the dams along the Columbia were all put in place for the benefit of the local population and run by the Army Corps of Engineers. Surplus allowed prices to remain stable but selling that to California has caused prices to go up.
At Bonneville (the first dam on the river) they also have an enormous hatchery that has a spawning pool and egg harvesting facility for Salmon and also brood trout that eventually cycle to the ocean and return as adult steelhead. Most tributaries allow the smaller fish to get into spawning grounds and many also have smaller hatcheries that raise fish to supply to lakes and streams that may get over-fished. Very efficient in most cases, and not a lot of upstream loss. Commercial fishing is heavily regulated but the Indians still get to gill net seasonally. Most loss actually comes from less fish returning to the river. Local commercial fishing and recreational take in some relatively small numbers. But the ocean is vast and there are plenty of super factories out there harvesting most of the fish indiscriminately. The absurd 12 mile limit and fish farming has put most locals out of business....Seems we are too willing to serve other nations more than ourselves? ....but the dams have served most people in this area quite well.

 

[OzarkChris]

Inheritance tax is just silly. If I remember anything about what I was taught, it was simply a way to fund a war... int the 1800s!?!? It's been manipulated and altered over the years, but it still exists. I'll vote for a politician, regardless of party, that runs to eliminate that.
I was also not familiar with the Wickard v. Filburn case. From a quick search and overview, I agree with you there also.

Just like most "temporary taxes" once politicians see the cash it doesn't go away.

 

[bvanek]

Yeah, those lefties are horrible... almost as bad as the righties, the great plainsies, the southies, the midwesties...

looks a lot more on blue run states to me. So "almost as bad as" just doesn't fit according to your map. But i guess I shouldn't believe my lying eyes?

 

[bnold]

If you're rich, you're entitled to pay lower tax rates than everyone "below" you.

Do what?

“The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 25.99 percent average rate, more than eight times higher than the 3.1 percent average rate paid by the bottom half of taxpayers.”

“top 1%, or taxpayers with an AGI of $546,434, paid $612 billion in income taxes, and paid 38.8% of all federal income taxes.”

“The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.3 percent”

 

[RB5]

Either AT&T or MicroSoft, forget which was last…

AT&T was busted up in the 80s. See how that worked out. Most of the peices are back together now.

 

[Hay Dude]

I'm not telling you its doomsday. Assuming the words of a few represent all is not the way to go.

If they are not being good stewards of the land, that's because they are a bad company. It doesn't have anything to do with the panels or the turbines. Some coal and some Oil and Gas companies can be (and have been) bad stewards as well. They failed at preventing leaks and spills. They didn't prevent mining accidents.

I personally, have not made any of my statements based on wanting to reduce CO2 levels. I personally believe, along with some models, that our hard switch to NG from coal may have done enough to lower America's contribution to greenhouse gas levels. But having a variety of energy options, encouraging new industry, lowering energy dependence are all good reasons.

An EV isn't a good option for you, and not for many people. It isn't for me. But it is for a lot of people, especially fleet companies. I do disagree with how the EV industry has been marketed in the past and to who it has been marketed too. That is changing.

Ford‘s EV unit lost $772 million in the first quarter on Electric vehicles.