Solar Farm #2, dangers involved.

[Hay Dude]

The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step...

When automobiles first came to be, replacing horses and buggies was not envisioned. That vision would have been unimaginable at the time.

So maybe you create the next wave of energy jobs. Since August of 2022, 46 new clean energy manufacturing facilities have been announced. These are US clean energy jobs.
The manufacture and sales of EV's has skyrocketed. These are US clean energy jobs.
True advances in the development of Small Modular Reactors (nuclear) have been made, with deployment ahead. These will be US clean energy jobs.
The viability and use of EV batteries as an EV-to-home and EV-to grid is just starting.

The American Lung Assn. report I posted a link to said that in 27 years tens of thousands of people will die if things stay the same as they are today.
If you have ever seen an asthma sufferer come close, you know what it costs a person.
I will probably not be around by then but if the journey can be started now, any lives saved would not be wasted effort.

Someone once said: "what you do for the least of these, you do for me".

regards,

R

Meanwhile, through all your platitudes, those exploited African kids are mining precious metals for batteries and China, which uses the Uyghurs as slave labor.

If you are into that, well, all I can say is bless your heart, but I aint driving no car with a battery built with slave labor or exploited child labor. That’s so messed up.

And yeah, I know I already have chinese stuff built with slave labor, so save your breath reminding me, but we all need phones & computers.

 

[bnold]

Are they using existing power lines or did they build new ones to provide services?

Existing transmission lines.

New substation to step up voltage to 138KV. Line steps up to 345KV about 8 miles away

 

[bnold]

And yeah, I know I already have chinese stuff built with slave labor, so save your breath reminding me, but we all need phones & computers.

I see the argument has changed, stepped down from the high horse a bit… easier to take seriously.

 

[lman]

And I am aware a diesel tractor is a large contributor.


R

Tree pollen causes breathing problems for many people. I guess we should cut down all trees.

 

[Hay Dude]

I see the argument has changed, stepped down from the high horse a bit… easier to take seriously.

No, not really.
It’s an old expression “sophie’s choice”.
Means either a cell phone or computer built under questionable humanitarian conditions or nothing at all.

No high horse, mr. judgemental

 

[Hay Dude]

Tree pollen causes breathing problems for many people. I guess we should cut down all trees.

And people collapse & die playing sports.
All sports should be banned.

 

[riptides]

Existing transmission lines.

New substation to step up voltage to 138KV. Line steps up to 345KV about 8 miles away

That's good news.

In my area, new lines are being proposed. Big ones. Sort of screwing property owners adjacent to proposed facilities. State has last say on them.

 

[riptides]

No, not really.
It’s an old expression “sophie’s choice”.
Means either a cell phone or computer built under questionable humanitarian conditions or nothing at all.
.....

You can buy cell phones not made in China. Same with computers. Same with solar components and panels.

 

[two_bit_score]

You can buy cell phones not made in China. Same with computers. Same with solar components and panels.

It's practically impossible.

 

[Hay Dude]

You can buy cell phones not made in China. Same with computers. Same with solar components and panels.

Yeah, sure. They sell them everywhere. You’re right.

 

[bnold]

No high horse, mr. judgemental

Pot kettle…

Plenty of not a patriot talk, loving China, slave child African labor, etc…

 

[riptides]

It's practically impossible.

No, not impossible. It's just a convenience thing. Consumers want it easy and fast. In the mass of consumerism, very few let their p o l i t c a l leanings ethics or moralities enter the purchasing decision.

 

[Hay Dude]

Damn near impossible to even find an American made farm tractor anymore.…
Actually for the last 20 years that has been the case.

 

[two_bit_score]

Damn near impossible to even find an American made farm tractor anymore.…
Actually for the last 20 years that has been the case.

It’s getting better but still practically impossible to find true Made In America anything.

 

[Hay Dude]

It’s getting better but still practically impossible to find true Made In America anything.

When I drive to Philly or Baltimore, you notice the ports have ships pouring in from China & other parts of Asia.
Virtually all industry in MY area has been plowed under and turned into more retail stores selling electronics and other imported stuff.
At least 50% of our railroad tracks have been turned into bike trails populated by soy boys on their bikes.
Most people like it, judging from the local and national election results.

I think its too much dependence on Chinese Energy products, electronics, and pharmaceuticals.

 

[two_bit_score]

I think its too much dependence on Chinese Energy products, electronics, and pharmaceuticals.

Truth x 1000’s.

 

[riptides]

Interesting news - Our data center overhead power lines are back off the table. Developer withdrew them. Seems the neighboring property owners finally got wind of that proposal and let their feeling be known.

The two solar plants are still bouncing back and forth in legaleese. One is a rezoning request. Cart, horse, IMHO. Buy the land, approach county for rezoning. ??? I don't get that.

 

[Hay Dude]

Interesting news - Our data center overhead power lines are back off the table. Developer withdrew them. Seems the neighboring property owners finally got wind of that proposal and let their feeling be known.

The two solar plants are still bouncing back and forth in legaleese. One is a rezoning request. Cart, horse, IMHO. Buy the land, approach county for rezoning. ??? I don't get that.

Shoot, I get that 100%. “Buy the land, approach county for re zoning”.
If they say “no”, just use bribery or other forms of persuasion. Happens all the time.

If they are buying the land first without even having zoning approval, you can rest assured they think they can get zoning changed to cover it with concrete and solar panels. They probably already had casual meetings with zoning board members to see if they would be open to changing zoning laws before buying.

Lots of zoning officials are “pro solar” (or pro other things like gold courses, hotels, etc.,) I sit on zoning meetings in my own township and see this type of negotiation all the time.

Get real. This ain‘t law abiding people. This is BIG business and MONEY.

 

[two_bit_score]

Shoot, I get that 100%. “Buy the land, approach county for re zoning”.
If they say “no”, just use bribery or other forms of persuasion. Happens all the time.

A lot of those contracts make the sale contingent on necessary rezoning being approved. It also helps encourage the zoning authority when they know it won't happen unless they allow it.

 

[dodge man]

Speaking of bribery there is a carbon dioxide pipeline proposed in this area, extending from Iowa to the Springfield Illinois area. Most people are against it and the county board passed a resolution against it. The pipeline company then offered the county money over a several year period that amounts to millions of dollars. The county is then obligated to support and help the project.