Neighbors Sue for Horse Manure Pile Smell

   / Neighbors Sue for Horse Manure Pile Smell #81  
I am finding, for good and bad, that the law works slowly and so I won't have many updates every week, but I am hoping that in a couple weeks I will have a bit more to share.
I think you're being too optimistic on your timeline.

As much as I'm curious as to how this plays out with all the facts on what all parties brought to the table, I'm thinking it will be a year minimum, knowing laywers. I do think if you talk with your laywer, he/she will tell you that nothing good could come out of posting any types of updates until the case over, but since I'm not a lawyer, I could be wrong.

Start up a go fund me website and I'll gladly donate $100 to your cause (not out of pity but for knowlege on how this plays out in youro area). Cases like this rural property owners should know about. That said, I think most people here would have issues with asking for money from stangers. However, add a link for full financial discloser with a link of payments along with written outcome, and stipulate any money left over is going to a charity with documentation, I could see you going national with it. I say that half jokingly, but if the lawsuit turns out to be frivolous, you shouldn't be out money.

It would be nice if there were some kind of "rural coalition of farmers / landowners" lawyers" group who would take up causes like this pro bono or get invovled in these types of cases at a reduce rate.

Off topic but on frivolous lawsuits...Texas Pete hot sause has been made in NC since 1929. ONLY in California is a man allowed to progress with his lawsuite against Texas Pete because it isn't made in California. Thing is, this isn't the guys first stupid butt lawsuit


Some guys do deserve the 3S system.
 
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   / Neighbors Sue for Horse Manure Pile Smell #82  
I plan to!


For everyone else, when the lawsuit is settled I can divulge more details, but as someone cautioned, if I talk to much here it could get requested by the neighbors lawyers and it might give away a few things.

I am finding, for good and bad, that the law works slowly and so I won't have many updates every week, but I am hoping that in a couple weeks I will have a bit more to share.

I can tell you, one interesting aspect of my neighbors is they are way more sensitive to what I do to my property than they do to theirs. So if I keep my grass a little long in some spots, or if I listen to music at a reasonable level while I work on my property it really bugs them to no end. In short, we can live our life and we know it just rankles the guy.

Not sure I shared this before, but my property used to be part of a larger farm and when the farmer and his wife retired, they parceled it off and sold a number of lots including the lot and house that I currently live in. They kept a plot across the road and when I moved in the farmer had passed, but his widow still lived there. Great lady. She was sweet but she HATED my neighbor with a passion. So do her kids. This guy has unfortunately been causing trouble for people in the area for a years. It unfortunate that people are so concerned with what other people are doing.
Sounds like they miss life in the big city... or maybe they are just bored and need some "excitement" in their lives. :rolleyes:
We moved here from the city 40 years ago fully embracing country life and would never move back. There have been families that moved in on our road and moved away within a year. It's not for everybody. The isolation can be difficult and everything is so far away. At least those folks recognized that and moved on rather than trying to get everyone around them to conform to their idea of rural living.

Maybe your neighbors should start looking at listings in subdivisions and gated communities. Or how about a nice condo? :ROFLMAO:
 
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   / Neighbors Sue for Horse Manure Pile Smell #83  
Sounds like they miss life in the big city... or maybe they are just bored and need some "excitement" in their lives. :rolleyes:
We moved here from the city 40 years ago fully embracing country life and would never move back. There have been families that moved in on our road and moved away within a year. It's not for everybody. The isolation can be difficult and everything is so far away. At least those folks recognized that and moved on rather than trying to get everyone around them to conform to their idea of rural living.

Maybe your neighbors should start looking at listings in subdivisions and gated communities. Or how about a nice condo? :ROFLMAO:
At the end of the day, there are three stories to the truth.

Yours, your counterparts, and the actual truth per the court of law.

This is why people go to court IMO.

Per the OP's initial post "We are, unfortunately, in that gray zone where farmland and residential homes are kind of intermingled"

This is what the state court of the OP's state that he / she resides in will decide per that "gray zone".

This is no different than when I posted that a tree on my property line fell onto my neighbors rental property. I did talk to my lawyer on the issue, and what he told me per NC state law was more information than anyone suggested on this forum.
 
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   / Neighbors Sue for Horse Manure Pile Smell #84  
Hello.

We are, unfortunately, in that gray zone where farmland and residential homes are kind of intermingled so a couple of our neighbors are people who have like 5 or so acres around their house, but are basitically just large residential plots. We have just over 14 acres and had been a horse boarding facility for about 9 years, then last year we quit doing that and are our own private barn. The owners before us were had also boarded horses and done some dog training as well. And even before them, the property was used to board horses. It had basically beena horse boarding facility for like 30 or so years.

We had kept a manure pile that was about 70' or so from the property line and the prevailing winds were west to east. The neighbors in question are to the north. After about three years after moving in (2016ish), they call the state to complain about the manure pile smell and so the ag department comes out to evaluate the manure pile. There are some protections as long as we follow some ag manegment practices they have outlined. They said it was voluntary, but if we followed these practices it would help protect us from nuisance claims. We decided to implement the policies which included moving the manure pile annually to a new site, and keeping it covered with tarps or straw. Though we didn't know who called the state on us, we thought it was a neighbor directly to the north since we had issues with him in the past and the previous owners had mentioned he was a real... well, not nice guy.

5 years pass, no issues, we think its smooth sailing. We have been rotating the manure pile to different spots, usually keeping it covered with some light straw, but we are constantly using and pushing the pile back. Each time I am sure can get kind of smelly. In 2021, the state is called again. They come out, see the manure pile, say the pile is "abated" which we take to mean we are following the procedures and just think the neighbors are being a-holes and harassing us and just keep on keeping on.

2022, we decide to close down the boarding business since we had some people running the barn and it was to much work for me and my wife since we both work other full time jobs. The number of horses on the property drops from like 22-25 to 9, then 8 then 7 and now we are at 6 horses plus a mini. The manure pile sits for like a year without having to add to it or anything since we have less horses and we can spread or the horses are in the pasture.

May of 2023, out of the blue we get a summons for a lawsuit because the manure pile smells. It turns out, the two neighbors to our north - the problem neighbor and one neighbor we didn't even know and never knew had a problem with the manure pile - sue us. They make all sorts of claims. The smell of the manure pile makes it so they can't enjoy their property, its attracting rats that are infesting their property, their property value has been affected, and they have emotional distress and cannot sleep at night.

My wife calls their lawyer because we have no idea whats going on and this was completely out of the blue. She asks "so is this really just about the manure pile? We can move it, no problem, we don't need it there anymore anyways, and we need to move it by July 1 anyways because its been a year." He said yes, but his clients don't want ANY manure piles on the property AT ALL. My wife was like, "well, we can't do that." Because they actually filed a lawsuit and didn't just have their lawyer send a letter, we needed to anwer the lawsuit complaint to the court. We had to retain a lawyer - which costs $15k. Luckily some family was able to help us out to scrape that much money together in a couple weeks.

In our state the statute of limitations for a nuisance lawsuit is 3 years. We have had a manure pile on the property and in that general vicinity for more than 9 years. It seemed pretty straightforward to us and our lawyer so we thought we could answer the complaint and submit a motion to dismiss the case on the basis of the statute or limitations. We did that, but the neighbors (plaintiffs) said in 2016, when state guy came out to look at the manure pile and said it was "abated" and they thought that meant it was gone and then claimed a "new" manure pile was created in 2021. Therefore, if there was a "new" manure pile in 2021, the statute of limitations have not expired and the lawsuit can move forward. At this point in the lawsuit, no evidence has been submitted, only affidavits from me and my wife and 2 of the plaintiffs, and the judge was like, "the defendants say the manure pile has been there since 2013, and the plaintiffs say its a new manure pile in 2021, I don't have any information to conclude one way or the other so the motion to dismiss is denied."

That is basiclaly where we are right now. We are thinking about trying to settle the case since it might be cheaper than carrying on, but it depends on what the neighbors are demanding. We think the plaintiffs never intended to take the case to trial and thought we would try and settle right away - but I am sure they are thinking that settlement will be to remove the manure pile completely and also ask for money to pay their legal fees. But we don't want to pay their legal fees. They should have come to us first. If they did, they would have known we would be willing to move the manure pile and it wouldn't be an issue. The money we are spending was slated to replace some fencing between our respective properties and now its being used to fight a lawsuit.

Anyways, its a sucky situation. People move out to the country and then complain about their farmer neighbors who are actually using their land. Sorry, my property is going to be perfectly manicured because I need to fix fence, change the oil in the tractor, replace a door on a stall, hang a new gate, trap raccoons that are killing my chickens and ducks, and a thousand never ending other things that need my attention. If you wanted to move to the country and live next to people who mow 3 times a week, keep their lawn perfectly manicured, then move to some place with an HOA and you can be happy.

Court cases work slowly, but if you are interested, I will keep you all abreast of how the lawsuit develops. If anyone is a lawyer and wants to help, I won't say no.

Thanks for listening to me vent.
Under Michigan disclosure law it is required for the owner of a property that is within vicinity of farm operations to disclose this on the seller disclosure form - which the buyer of the property (the new neighbors) are required to sign. It serves as their acknowledgement that the property may be near noise dust or odors as a result of farm operation -This is to protect from nuisance law suits like the one you're talking about
 
   / Neighbors Sue for Horse Manure Pile Smell #85  
"the defendants say the manure pile has been there since 2013, and the plaintiffs say its a new manure pile in 2021, I don't have any information to conclude one way or the other so the motion to dismiss is denied."
How did you receive payment for the boarding of the horses? Seems if you can provide proof of payment then that proves there were horses there making manure so therefore there had to be a manure pile.
 
   / Neighbors Sue for Horse Manure Pile Smell #86  
.....It serves as their acknowledgement that the property may be near noise dust or odors as a result of farm operation -This is to protect from nuisance law suits like the one you're talking about

Does it go the other way around? When the new homeowner brings their suburbia crap noises to the farm?
 
   / Neighbors Sue for Horse Manure Pile Smell #87  
Does it go the other way around? When the new homeowner brings their suburbia crap noises to the farm?
No - that would fall under township ordinance. I had a neighbor playing obscene rap "music" while my grandson and I were working on our fence. When I went to talk to him bout it he went ballistic and said nothing was going to change. I thought we might be able to reach an agreement without involving anyone else but I was wrong. It did go to the township and the neighbors tried to imply I was a city guy that moved out and was trying to start rules and regulations - to which I explained Id been there 28 years and felt that loud rap was not what I needed to complete my rural existence - especially the stuff they were playing. We played a recording and everyone there was uncomfortable with the lyrics. they dont play the crappy music but do play other stuff that I can hear from anywhere on my land. If i was the a$$ they thought I was I could raise pigs to the west of them and there wouldnt be a thing they could do. Some stuffs not worth fighting over.
 
   / Neighbors Sue for Horse Manure Pile Smell #88  
I might have missed the suggestion, but if so, it bares repeating.

Is there a farm or horse boarding group/organization that could help? They might have seen this situation before and have advice, and if not, the might be interesting in helping since this might happen to their members in the future. Especially, since this is a gray area.

Someone did mention the state extension office and that is a real good idea. The NC extension office has information that has been very helpful to us.

Good luck.
 
   / Neighbors Sue for Horse Manure Pile Smell #89  
This is in Michigan, correct? This link explains about Michigan law regarding this and there's really no way the plaintiff(s) could prevail.
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   / Neighbors Sue for Horse Manure Pile Smell #90  
Under Michigan disclosure law it is required for the owner of a property that is within vicinity of farm operations to disclose this on the seller disclosure form - which the buyer of the property (the new neighbors) are required to sign. It serves as their acknowledgement that the property may be near noise dust or odors as a result of farm operation -This is to protect from nuisance law suits like the one you're talking about
This is to protect the Realtors from nuisance lawsuits. The disclosure may make it easier for the defendant(respondent) to prevail, it will not stop the suits. The only thing that stops those suits are laws that punish the person suing AND the lawyer they used for filing a frivolous suit in the first place.
 
 
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