Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[walhondingMF]

Hope you make a lot of money....where can I collect?

Nope, not enough... never enough lol

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Last year I listened to a scientist with a PHD give a talk and say ice samples can be very inaccurate, and he gave examples. My 40 years experience as an engineer is you can make numbers give you your desired answer very easily, without strong peer review.
Science definitely needs to be questioned, as it’s too easy to fudge outcomes.

 

[RB5]

This sure devolved into a global warming debate. You can take snapshots of data and manipulate them to tell any story you want.

In the 70s they were worried about global cooling.

California has record droughts..then record floods. I have read about the great floods they have every 200 years on average. In the 1800s the Central Valley was supposedly flooded, and the native people left for higher ground. Then it gets dry again. Each time the greenies claim it is the worst ever and we areall going to die. It probably isn't, but we do not have records from 1000 years ago. A lot of this was determined by looking at how much silt was washed into the bays of CA at certain times. Some years the silt layers were much greater in depth. Flood, fires, droughts...

The medieval warm period.

The little ice age.

What about cool summers after a volcanic eruption?

According to some older projections I should have ocean front property in a few years. Not likely.

We have been warming since the last ice age started to end.

Greenland was green when the Vikings went there. It got cold again, and they disappeared.

My point is climate varies. There are way too many people in many areas, and the land has been degraded. I have no doubt that we are destroying and changing the environment. Most of our land has been plowed or cleared and changed.

In Dallas it is much warmer at night than it is out here in the country. Concrete, cars, and too many buildings have made it that way.

You can take whatever viewpoint you want. I don't think there is much we can do about the environment without having less people or a much lower standard of living.

We could pollute less and recycle more, but if we are the only one's doing it, it won't help at all. There will be billions more people just throwing trash in the oceans.

In Texas we have not been building new power plants as the population increases. We have even shut down coal fired plants and some natural gas fired plants. We have installed wind and solar. Now ERCOT is saying we may have brownouts or rolling blackouts at peak summer demand. What happens on a 105 degree summer day when it is still 90 degrees in Dallas at midnight? Too many people running air conditioning..grid fails. Add electric cars without more energy production. Oh but they can use my car battery to help the grid at night. wtf? Then how will I get to work? This is a disaster in the making caused by poor planning and a lack of accepting reality.

The problem is this has become political. Instead of actually doing something they play games with us. In the end those that try to work and pay the bills will be the ones that get screwed by these unsustainable policies. I am not one of those that wants to live in a high rise apartment stacked on top of each other with no car, walking to the store or work every day. I suspect most of you on here would not like that either. At some point our freedoms may eventually go away because what we are doing is not sustainable.

There are lots of dumb ideas being floated around that only work in the mind of the person that came up with the idea. Reality says we can't keep doing what we are doing long term.

 

[bvanek]

Sea levels are rising. I am not sure where that information that they are not is being feed to you, but its very simple to measure. You do understand tides correct? The flooding of Miami and Manhattan is not a constant. At high tides, the subways are flooding on a regular basis and the city of Miami has had to spend millions of dollars to mitigate street flooding during high tides. You do understand that averages can be measured and compared.

Here you go leaving out weather and geology to promote your theory.....Miami and Manhattan are at or below sea level. This is just a simple fact of the landscape. Then you leave out the moons effect on tides and of course storm surges. This is weather and not climate. No one can accurately measure sea level when erosion is constantly changing the shoreline.

 

[walhondingMF]

I agree completely. Climate science is some of the most peer reviewed data globally, because it is such a "hot topic." I've listened to similar talks. I have actually listened to a discussion between 2 PHDs debate each other on the degree of accuracy of core samples.

The using of numbers to make one narrative true or false is a corporate tactic that has been around for years. The tobacco industry famously paid PHDs to write in medical journals that tobacco did not give you lung cancer. However, the overwhelming majority of information said otherwise.

 

[RB5]

Here you go leaving out weather and geology to promote your theory.....Miami and Manhattan are at or below sea level. This is just a simple fact of the landscape. Then you leave out the moons effect on tides and of course storm surges. This is weather and not climate. No one can accurately measure sea level when erosion is constantly changing the shoreline.

Don't forget what happens when ground water is pumped out of those low lying area near the coast. The land subsides and sinks.

 

[kenmbz]

since the ice is melting:

Is sea level rising?

There is strong evidence that sea level is rising and will continue to rise this century at increasing rates.

oceanservice.noaa.gov

 

[walhondingMF]

Here you go leaving out weather and geology to promote your theory.....Miami and Manhattan are at or below sea level. This is just a simple fact of the landscape. Then you leave out the moons effect on tides and of course storm surges. This is weather and not climate. No one can accurately measure sea level when erosion is constantly changing the shoreline.

Not at all. The geology has not changed. Both cities are at the same level they were at when they were built. The tides did not flood them as consistently as they do now. Geology and weather do not play a role in what has changed.

 

[walhondingMF]

You can take whatever viewpoint you want. I don't think there is much we can do about the environment without having less people or a much lower standard of living.

This I can agree with. I do believe that increasing the global standard of living may help decrease population. This crisis we are in, regardless of how anyone thinks it is being caused, can be solved through innovation. Our species is good at that.

 

[Eagle1]

Study of sea-level rise finds land sinking along East Coast

 

[RB5]

This I can agree with. I do believe that increasing the global standard of living may help decrease population. This crisis we are in, regardless of how anyone thinks it is being caused, can be solved through innovation. Our species is good at that.

That is a good point. In many areas where the standard of living has increased I have read where the fertility rate has declined. One of the major problems I see is how the land has been degraded, and the aquifers are getting lower. They are not being recharged. Springs dry up. In Texas wells go dry, and they drill deeper. All of that decreases the ability of the land to replenish on it's own. We can do things to help, and some large acreage landowners have done things to restore their land. Look up some of the conservation awards. These things are what needs to be done.

 

[Eagle1]

Much of NY and other cities are built on top of what was garbage and landfill, before practices changed. Are sea levels rising, sure have ever since we came out of the last ice age. Will they drop again? if we go into an ice age sure.

How much history was erased when the sea levels rose 400 feet? What will it take to have another near extinction event? It will happen.......it has several times before.

 

[kenmbz]

Land does sink, look at Venice when the sucked up the water table to feed mainland industry.
Some land rises.
Manhattan is 90% built on bedrock except for lower west side and some smaller areas on east side to shore up flooding.
The original fill for the build on the west side was from digging the WTC foundations.

Land in Brooklyn and Staten Island was built on garbage dumps. But not large areas.

 

[B7510HSD]

I'm really not seeing what any of this has to do with the Topic Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

 

[kenmbz]

I'm really not seeing what any of this has to do with the Topic Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

Thread creep
Just don't bring up pallets.

 

[RB5]

I'm really not seeing what any of this has to do with the Topic Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

Yeah it kinda did... once that happened it got me started. I'm not very opinionated. lol

 

[B7510HSD]

Thread creep
Just don't bring up pallets.

Thread creeps?

 

[buckeyefarmer]

These pallets decided to make a fort. By strapping it to my 800# tire and using my pallet Jack I was able to remove the tire myself.
Don’t know how this will stop a solar farm, but it will contribute to landscape changing, as I got my tire disc changed.

Solar, pallets, tractors, back on track.

 

[walhondingMF]

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These pallets decided to make a fort. By strapping it to my 800# tire and using my pallet Jack I was able to remove the tire myself.
Don’t know how this will stop a solar farm, but it will contribute to landscape changing, as I got my tire disc changed.

Solar, pallets, tractors, back on track.

Great job buckeyeframer. And I was just talking bout innovation lol

 

[bvanek]

The problem is this has become political. Instead of actually doing something they play games with us. In the end those that try to work and pay the bills will be the ones that get screwed by these unsustainable policies. I am not one of those that wants to live in a high rise apartment stacked on top of each other with no car, walking to the store or work every day. I suspect most of you on here would not like that either. At some point our freedoms may eventually go away because what we are doing is not sustainable.

Good analysis...... and the games they play are about shoving climate change down our throats as a diversion to the real issues that have compounded themselves into self destruction. The US is on the verge of collapse, The climate change hysteria is a huge chunk of ill advised policies responsible for most of our issues in the United States today. You blow up our economy for a political stance using climate change as the weapon of choice, then compound it with printing worthless money and spending money we don't have. I would think that climate change doesn't make the top 20 in a tractor forum. Yet some seem to think we need to be lectured on a politically skewered "science consensus" that could be the # 1 source leading to the recent rapid decline of our country.
So someone said in here that there are better options than wind and solar. Yes there is and anyone who has a responsible approach would never let these industries be the flagship of our energy sources. Most people with a little common sense and reason have figured out the angles of discussions in here. Easy to pick out grandstanding on a particular topic vs legitimate concerns. The (in our face) issues today that could lead to a death of a nation, millennia(s) before climate ever does.......