Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[Fuddyduddy1952]

I'm not pro China and I'm not anti-American. Facts are facts. We pollute more than them on a per-person basis. Poorer nations want to raise their standard of living. That's the way it's always been.

"Poorer nations want to raise their standard of living." Yes...at our expense! Yea...BAD America! We need to clean up our act!

 

[bnold]

Too much made overseas. It’s costing us not only jobs, but generations of Americans are not learning the trades of manufacturing.
We can’t outsource such a high percentage of what we make.
It’s not just a matter of jobs, outsourcing and manufacturing. Its also a national security issue.

If the current administrations goals is to confiscate trillions from American taxpayers for “green“ energy while destroying the current energy sources, the least they could do is put plans in place to insure those trillions stay circulation HERE, not go to China, Europe or India.

Who wants millions of acres of American farmland covered in Chinese made solar panels or European made windmills, electrical systems and batteries? That’s an embarrassing disgrace

Sounds good, this is absolutely possible at the expense of our place in the world economy. The products become more expensive and the division of wealth becomes even greater.

We will build the same products here at a higher cost and they will only be available to US consumers as they will not sell at the higher cost on the world market.

Our economy becomes an island with the exception of the truly unique products and technology that we can offer that hasn’t been stolen and duplicated yet. In addition to other staple items with Ag and Oil etc…

I’m all for pro-American. I’m also pro-Realist and would like to see the solutions offered in lieu of just listening to the keyboard pouting. Realism shows the American way of life is highly dependent on China and the same goes the other way.

Really the only way it currently works is for us to offer products that nobody else has to offer (continued advances in technology despite how much the old fogeys want to keep things the way they were and go broke holding on to their horse and buggy ) to support our premium fabrication costs. And offering Ag/Oil type non-manufacturing products that we can manage to stay competitive on the world market.


Regarding your Chinese panel covered farmland.. Would you rather the generations owned farmland is retained and profitable, covered with Chinese panels OR the generations owed farmland is sold to Chinese companies for agricultural export purposes and maintain your view?

 

[RB5]

Well...since you're so pro-China, anti-America giving pollution statics per person (???) how about this: we import 1/2$trillion from China while exporting $158B to them. Since the US and China are roughly the same size yet over 4X the population. Following the "pollution per person logic", shouldn't WE be exporting 4X to China?
The solution is if the US taxed Chinese imports so that Made in USA was a better choice not only would it benefit us, the tax could be used helping pay down our debt. China also owes us a LOT ($.85T) and they mainly import electronics stealing our intellectual property.
All Americans are guilty of buying made in China because it's cheap...but it's going to bite us in the end.

I used to buy made in USA. Walmart was proudly made in USA for most products. That is how they built their business. The heirs of Sam Walton decided to manufacture products wherever they could to make things cheaper to get an edge on their competition. Target had to follow. Kmart is dead. I'm not even sure if any stores exist. I'm sure some other companies likely folded or got smaller. The momentum had already shifted to cheaper and cheaper when this occurred. Bill Clinton helped allow China to get favored nation trading status. It was like inviting a thief to live in your house. Now I still buy made in USA when I have a choice. I don't always have a choice. Sometimes the Chinese made stuff breaks right after I open the package or is broken before I open it. Other times it works and seems ok. Do I want a communist dictatorship that trains their people to live for and worship the state manufacturing all of the things we use and need? No. Do I want them to own or control any land or businesses in our country? No. The problem is we were sold out by our own government, and there is not much that can be done about it at this point. The previous adminsitration was at least starting to move in a better direction on trade. Most of the trade deals we make help other countries way more than they help us. All they want from us is our technology and access to our markets.

 

[bvanek]

Capitalism today only succeeds for large corporations who in turn control the government. When your government colludes with these global entities, that have an agenda to take down the US with a green energy hoax, then individual and often selective "facts" mean little. Poorer nations won't get rich with bought out, often dictatorial leadership and an industry controlled by China. They can only improve their standard of living if they use fossil fuels to get it started. (Just like all successful national economies have done in the past.) Independence from foreign intrusion will cement control back to their people. What are the odds?....... But they will have jobs assembling solar panels on a state run plantation.....soon to be taken away by robots. So who gets wealthy?

yup change is inevitable and socialism and state run economics will see to it. Most people don't look at the big picture until it hits them personally. I am an old guy who has a few modest assets that, for now, keeps me above the poverty line. I gained this through hard work and an opportunity provided in a constitutional government. I made mistakes but learned from them. I invest only as a hedge on inflation. Property has been my greatest physical asset. Something that is rapidly disappearing for the middle class due to dependence and a plantation like mentality. Working from pay check to paycheck doesn't get you too far and if you plan on government to provide a living for you, then sooner rather than later you will run out of other peoples money....32 trillion in debt. We have already run out.

So this land you seem to want to give to global corporations and China might be the very land that someone might get to own? Property value may be a whole lot more than just a monetary asset..... a hill full of solar panels? I like trees. Most of my land is forested with marketable timber. I Just worked harder to avoid the easier route. Again property can be a whole lot more than just something you make money from.

nothing wrong in my book with God, family, country.


on a lighter note; your battery is dead and the repair (replace) shop is over 7,000 miles away.

 

[ruffdog]

Regarding your Chinese panel covered farmland.. Would you rather the generations owned farmland is retained and profitable, covered with Chinese panels OR the generations owed farmland is sold to Chinese companies for agricultural export purposes and maintain your view?

That is a good question!

 

[bnold]

on a lighter note; your battery is dead and the repair (replace) shop is over 7,000 miles away.

not sure what this comment is.

 

[MossRoad]

"Poorer nations want to raise their standard of living." Yes...at our expense! Yea...BAD America! We need to clean up our act!

Did you read the links?

 

[Fixastuff]

Did you read the links?

Doesn't have to his cousin is a scientist.

 

[MossRoad]

Doesn't have to his cousin is a scientist.

Osmosis?

 

[Fixastuff]

Osmosis?

Come on! That only works if you sleep with a book under your head.

 

[Grumpycat]

Correction... the oil industry receives the same subsidies as the solar industry.

Where do I go to apply for my 30% Federal Tax Credit for installing a gas pump at my farm?

 

[MossRoad]

Come on! That only works if you sleep with a book under your head.

I used to make a study guide for my classes, then read it out loud into a mini-tape recorder, then play them back with headphones on while I slept at night. I'd leave it on repeat, so I'd get 5-6 playbacks overnight. Kinda weird, but quite effective come test time.

 

[Hay Dude]

I used to buy made in USA. Walmart was proudly made in USA for most products. That is how they built their business. The heirs of Sam Walton decided to manufacture products wherever they could to make things cheaper to get an edge on their competition. Target had to follow. Kmart is dead. I'm not even sure if any stores exist. I'm sure some other companies likely folded or got smaller. The momentum had already shifted to cheaper and cheaper when this occurred. Bill Clinton helped allow China to get favored nation trading status. It was like inviting a thief to live in your house. Now I still buy made in USA when I have a choice. I don't always have a choice. Sometimes the Chinese made stuff breaks right after I open the package or is broken before I open it. Other times it works and seems ok. Do I want a communist dictatorship that trains their people to live for and worship the state manufacturing all of the things we use and need? No. Do I want them to own or control any land or businesses in our country? No. The problem is we were sold out by our own government, and there is not much that can be done about it at this point. The previous adminsitration was at least starting to move in a better direction on trade. Most of the trade deals we make help other countries way more than they help us. All they want from us is our technology and access to our markets.

Yep. That’s pretty much spot on.
Our labor rates and taxes are so high and g_________t regulations are so stringent, it’s become impossible to do business in the USA. We need new leadership to get us to a reasonable level of regulation and taxation so we can compete.
Kinda doubt much can be done about the high labor rates. Robotics might help, but then we aren’t increasing our skilled labor force or creating jobs.
Hard to believe we can’t build a freakin solar panel here that’s cheaper than building in China and having “cocaine-Mitch’s” wife ship them 6,000 miles from china to the US.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Doesn't have to his cousin is a scientist.

Yea and your Momma & wife are.....
Wanna get into insults?
I didn't read link, what's the point? China actually pollutes less than America because IT'S RATED ON A PER PERSON SCALE. Is that stupid or what? The US has 4x the number of cars by population than China.
China still pollutes way more than the US. You can see/smell China from my friend's home in Palos Verdes Ca.

 

[bnold]

Where do I go to apply for my 30% Federal Tax Credit for installing a gas pump at my farm?

Wrong end of the stick.

The 30% credit is for the producer, just so happens the producer is most often the consumer in small scale solar.

For your gas pump, you are only the consumer.

Now start drilling wells, building pipelines and refining that petroleum and you are in line for government assistance.

 

[Hay Dude]

Yea and your Momma & wife are.....
Wanna get into insults?
I didn't read link, what's the point? China actually pollutes less than America because IT'S RATED ON A PER PERSON SCALE. Is that stupid or what? The US has 4x the number of cars by population than China.
China still pollutes way more than the US. You can see/smell China from my friend's home in Palos Verdes Ca.

Plus they are also “developing nation” status.
JOKE

 

[MossRoad]

Yea and your Momma & wife are.....
Wanna get into insults?
I didn't read link, what's the point? China actually pollutes less than America because IT'S RATED ON A PER PERSON SCALE. Is that stupid or what? The US has 4x the number of cars by population than China.
China still pollutes way more than the US. You can see/smell China from my friend's home in Palos Verdes Ca.

At the very least, get the perspective of another side of an issue. Head in the sand makes for dirty ears.

 

[Fixastuff]

Yea and your Momma & wife are.....

A very polite young man your are! Go ahead eviscerate me lol.

 

[RB5]

Yep. That’s pretty much spot on.
Our labor rates and taxes are so high and g_________t regulations are so stringent, it’s become impossible to do business in the USA. We need new leadership to get us to a reasonable level of regulation and taxation so we can compete.
Kinda doubt much can be done about the high labor rates. Robotics might help, but then we aren’t increasing our skilled labor force or creating jobs.
Hard to believe we can’t build a freakin solar panel here that’s cheaper than building in China and having “cocaine-Mitch’s” wife ship them 6,000 miles from china to the US.

If I were jsut starting out I would learn robotics and automation. Someone has to design and work on the stuff.

 

[bvanek]

Here is some science.
I Just use it to try and understand why a global group of elites use it to create hysteria and demolish economies? There is a war on fossil fuels. Wars have consequences and leave a lot of people dead, wounded, and impoverished. I didn't get this from a link I got it from a science book.



"The main gases in the earths atmosphere are Nitrogen(78%) oxygen(21%) and Argon(0.93%) This leaves about 0.07% of the atmosphere for all other gases (mostly greenhouse gases) These are trace gases given the math. Of these trace gases about 95 % is water vapor with CO2 about 5 % (a non-toxic gas) Of the 5% total atmospheric Co2 about 5 % is anthropogenic (human caused). So one can only conclude that man caused CO2 is a trace of a trace gas occupying about 0.003 % of the atmosphere"

Co2 is being used for a political weapon to extract money out of certain nations, in particular the USA. Given this basic science information above it's quite plausible that Co2 plays an extremely minor role in the planet warming. In fact the scientists (that are not politically aligned) say the earth warms first and releases Co2 mostly from natural sources. The headlines today say that human caused Co2 is heating the planet....

The science isn't settled like the proclamation made by the IPCC. Climate is complex and they still don't know enough about Co2 concentrates in the upper atmosphere and what role that may have...they also don't know how much of that escapes out of atmosphere or why, since it is heavier than air, it goes to the top. I haven't seen a model yet that figures in water vapor and cloud cover the most prominent greenhouse gas. It's widely variable and some reflect and some hold in heat, but very difficult to measure, so often they don't.
So the point is; why blow up economies on science that isn't settled? Everyone wants clean air and water lets make sure we don't get duped in the process.