DPF Regeneration driving me crazy...

[tacticalturnip]

Think the only vehicle I never flogged was my dad's 67 Corvette Stingray convertible. It had a big block 427 with 390 horses so flogging it would have meant the removal of my drivers license by the cops. I drove it sedately and fiddled with a ton of girls in it too, Girls are were attracted to a Vette for some reason and they all wanted to go for a ride and I obliged of course and always found a way to park somewhere secluded and do something considered a big no back then, kissing them...lol Those were the days. Just fond memories now that I'm a professional dirty old man.

On the flip side, I used to know a kid that would race his fathers Corvette all around their property. It was crazy, literally a child with some obscene go-kart.

I may have been jealous.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

I love the aesthetics of pipe sticking through the hood, but in this case I don't mind the sacrifice.

Agreed to a certain extent; except when a engine starts a regen when operating in dry grass. The exhaust pointing down is just asking to start a fire. I just got a new tractor and have already decided that if one starts in those conditions I will have to cancel it and find a nice gravel road and to a forced parked regen. With that in mind, I wish they had stuck with the aesthetically pleasing exhaust stack.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Agreed to a certain extent; except when a engine starts a regen when operating in dry grass. The exhaust pointing down is just asking to start a fire. I just got a new tractor and have already decided that if one starts in those conditions I will have to cancel it and find a nice gravel road and to a forced parked regen. With that in mind, I wish they had stuck with the aesthetically pleasing exhaust stack.

I'll admit, that had not crossed my mind, ignorance being bliss and whatnot. I'm blessed to live in a place that seldom sees such sustained warmth, the flip side is that winter physically hurts me.

 

[DieselBound]

That's a terribly wasteful thing to do. Be a real conservationist and spread it on your driveway for summer dust control.

Or, for folks in rust belt areas, spray it on your undercarriages

 

[DieselBound]

But wait, they're okay with NASCAR building an entire race track inside the LA Colosseum and running a race that burns all that fuel and spills all those fluids on the ground. Not to mention all the spectators that drove to the track. Funny how money works.

Nothing compared to all the fuel that is burned up in the skies! (If we were serious about reducing emissions we'd smash the Pentagon's budget [US military is the single largest polluter on the planet].)

 

[DieselBound]

6.4? You guys haven't lived life on the edge until you've been within 50 feet of a 7.3 Powerstroke. I'm as far away from being a tree-hugger as a guy can get, but even I don't like being around those trucks. Even in 100% stock form those will gag you to death.

I'll see you a 7.3L Powerstroke and raise you a 7.3L IDI! My 12v Cummins isn't a whole lot better either.

For the optimal experience go to Manilla. Pretty much have to cover your mouth with cloth if outside and exposed to traffic. A TON of old IDI diesels.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

Or, for folks in rust belt areas, spray it on your undercarriages

In my younger years I had a few cars that did that automatically... sort of.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Or, for folks in rust belt areas, spray it on your undercarriages

That always seemed to help slow the rust, which is why you can't do it now. Instead, if you'd like, you can pay a 3rd party an obscene amount to coat your car in a chemical that is certainly more environmentally friendly, and of course works just as well if not better, right? Right?

 

[Username Taken]

Air Pollution is a problem -- In population Centers. In Cities. You can see the haze from a 100 miles away driving toward one.

An intelligent solution would be; do something about mass transportation. I lived in/near a big City for years and I would much rather take a Bus or a Rail to work than drive my car/truck in bumper to bumper, nutstobutts traffic in the snow, the rain, the dark and through accident slow-downs.

But that would require, as I said -- Intelligence. And honesty. Or at least, something approaching honesty. Or caring about the people the out-and-out thieves in Office are supposed to serve.

They're not there to serve, as far as they're concerned, they're there to steal. And, hoo-boy, are they ever good at it.

How come virtually every civilized Country on Earth has an actual working Mass Transit System? Europe, Japan, even China, have HSR's that (R U sitting down?) actually work.

They tried an HSR in Kali. The usual suspects stole all the money. And the HSR is stalled. Not going anywhere. Billions stolen. Look it up. Billions

So while I do appreciate clean air, clean water, clean fun and clean underwear, I'm not going to get excited about listening to the same people that are stealing all this money preach to me about how people in the Countryside, where we don't really have an air pollution problem, need to suffer because the people in the Cities are stealing everything that isn't tied down.

I would love, love, to see an HSR system from Miami to Boston with several stops along the way. Also from Naples to Chicago (Get a lot of people from the Miami Area going that way). But it won't happen. The pols would steal everything long before it got to its desired location. The Unions and their Mob Bosses would lead that charge.

Through the Countryside? It would go smooth as can be. Anywhere near Cities? fuhgeddaboudit

And this Forum serves people that live outside Population Centers. By a wide margin. But I'll get reported for this post. Beaucoup times

It doesn't fit The Narrative™

 

[rScotty]

Luckily I’m in a cab, so my pre T4 tractors don’t give me any breathing issues.
I am all for cleaning up the air, but I still think the way they do it is suspect.
1. Takes more fuel to run a DPF than same engine without DPF, that creates more fuel consumption. Everyone admits “idling around” is bad for a DPF equipped diesel.
2. DPFs and all the accessories themselves have to be manufactured, transported, installed and repaired, creating more pollution and fuel consumption.
3. Where do all the trapped particulates go? They don’t just disappear! They still exist. So wouldn’t they still be polluting the ground or wherever else they get buried?

Theres also the drawbacks of increased cost of ownership.

Have all these drawbacks been weighed against the cleaner air?

All good points, our society has moved beyond waiting for evidence to form an opinion, now we form the opinion first.
I like the cleaner air, but not every effort on the path to get there is going to improve the air. Like you I wonder if the DPF is a net gain or a net loss for the atmosphere.

 

[Jstpssng]

Air Pollution is a problem -- In population Centers. In Cities.

Yet it doesn’t stay in those population centers. I live on the tail end of the prevailing winds so we get everything which the rest of you send into the air, before it exits to the ocean or goes into Canada.
I’ve seen visibility here drop over the past 40 years, and we’re far from a highly populated region.
I don’t agree with all of the “solutions”, yet I also recognize that we do have pollution problems.

 

[ericm979]

I've lived much of my life around the san francisco bay area. It's a large urban/suburban area with prevailing winds from the west and mountains to the east. The air pollution gets trapped against the mountains and builds up. The visible air quality has improved since the '70s even though the population grew by 40% in that time. That's due to emissions laws for vehicles and stationary sources.

I don't agree with every regulation but they have reduced air pollution.

 

[bigtiller]

What emission laws don't you like?

 

[FERLING]

They do make new tractors that don’t do that!

Workmaster 59/60/70 New Holland regeneration isn’t necessary.

 

[ericm979]

What emission laws don't you like?

Banning wood stoves in new construction. Requiring EPA stoves would be fine. This is a local bay area one, in the populous counties but those have some far flung rural areas with lots of wood. Allowing stoves just in the rural areas would be fine too.

Oxygenates (MTBE or ethanol) in gasoline. They served a purpose back when cars had carburetors or primitive FI but with modern EFI and O2 sensors the EFI just adjusts for it. When you factor in the farming it's actually worse for CO2 than gasoline (though CO2 was not the original target). This one is state and national and given the $$ in ethanol that flows to huge corporations is unlikely to change. In fact they're trying to foist more on us. E15 is out of range for many cars and motorcycles and will damage engines.

In the '90s CARB restricted two stroke off road motorcycles to only half the year (on public lands). I read their docs and they claimed that the average off road motorcycle in the LA basin was ridden 8000 miles a year. Anyone who rides dirt knows that a serious rider will do more like 800 and the average will be more like 80 since most bikes just sit in garages and a lot of people get out only a few times a year. So their claimed savings was bogus. Honda had good clean burning two stroke technology that could have been used.

That's just a start, I could go on at length but I don't want this to become a political thread.

 

[Reddogs]

Yet it doesn’t stay in those population centers. I live on the tail end of the prevailing winds so we get everything which the rest of you send into the air, before it exits to the ocean or goes into Canada.
I’ve seen visibility here drop over the past 40 years, and we’re far from a highly populated region.
I don’t agree with all of the “solutions”, yet I also recognize that we do have pollution problems.

What suggestions would you have that you think might work or be less invasive, with all the things being put out these now....?

 

[Jstpssng]

What suggestions would you have that you think might work or be less invasive, with all the things being put out these now....?

Shut your engine off when you aren't using it. Consider fuel economy when buying a vehicle. Instead of buying the cheapest item you can find, pay a bit more for something which (hopefully) will last, even if it means buying used. Donate usable items rather than throwing them out. That's just a few things which I try to do, and aren't necessarily applicable to everybody.
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Yet I still drive about 50K miles/year.

 

[Reddogs]

B.S. My Kubota M6060 has done 5 Regens in 75 hours. What a pain in the azz!! I run it at 2200rpm consistently.

This is about what I am seeing, I am trying to to keep it above 2000rpm, but it makes it hard to use in tight spots were a few inches can tear down a fence or two...

 

[wilson511]

I have a 2019 Kubota L6060 with a DPF and was concerned about that system when I bought it, simply because of all the negative information on this forum. My personal experience has been as follows:
1) running the tractor at high rpms does not reduce the time between regens
2) working it under a load, will reduce the regen times and may actually lower the soot levels. I have seen my soot levels drop significantly while using the snowblower while traveling uphill. I suspect that if the tractor is worked hard all the time, it may never regen.
2) when the tractor wants to do a regen, let it and if it calls for more rpms then give it more. Just keep doing whatever you are doing!
3) The only parked regen I have ever done was not actually a "parked regen" because I did not stop the regen, I simply parked the tractor when it started a regen and left it until it was done. Salesman told me that all the problems he ever heard of with regens were caused by the operater not following the proper protocol or stopping regens and not responding properly.
4) I let it idle between operations, just like any tractor.
5) Mine is HST and I run it at around 1500 rpms for most operations (with the auto throttle advance engaged)
5) I have 510 hrs on this tractor and not had any issues with the regen process.

After almost 3 years of use, I have determined the best way to use this tractor is the same way I used my previous tractor and just ignore the Regen process, until I see a flashing light that tells me I need to increase rpm's. I then increase the rpm's until the flashing stops and continue working. I will let the tractor idle when I get out to do something.

For me, this is a non issue.

Before I bought this tractor, I was told the biggest problem with these DPF systems is operator error. Maybe I got lucky the same tractory or other tractor makes / models are prone to issues.

I have the same exact tractor , my model year is 2020. I agree 100 % with this post. Same experiences. Great tractor.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Lot of post's on here about how stupid it is to worry about your tractor going into regen , but it's only stupid if it's not your tractor, I don't own a tractor that needs to regen so I can't say, but I did work out of a 125' hi line bucket truck that was mounted on a Peterbilt semi with a Paquar engine and we had trouble with it every few weeks going into limp mode and having to do forced regen's so it left a bad taste in my mouth with the whole works because in the other 34 years of me doing my job working out of bucket trucks , log skidders, rough terrain cranes etc, all powered with diesel engines we rarely ever had an issue with a diesel engine, they were workhorse's , not setting around in limp mode. Lastly, if man lives in a place to where he can be told that he can't own a wood stove to build a fire in to warm his azz, he needs to get the hell out of there, plenty of places where you can still have a wood stove and build a fire.