DPF Regeneration driving me crazy...

[jyoutz]

The tier 5 article implies DEF for NOx emissions and DPF for particulates, and auto shut-down to minimize idling. With forced warranty extensions on Manufacturers (probably only on Emissions stuff only) means that any Diesel Engines sold in California will be more expensive/less attractive to operate. No clue how they plan on reducing CO2, since combustion usually produces CO. More sensors, more complex computer programming will result in more limp mode (or outright shutdown) driving costs even higher. The tax incentives for non-emission vehicles are there to drive down their price & (MAYBE) offset the additional cost of operating. NO. Cal already faces blackouts & brownouts with outrageous pricing of electricity due to PG&E fires & Mandatory sourcing of GREEN Generation (which doesn't provide surge capacity), so what is it going to look like when everyone is plugging in to top off their batteries? Basically, CA is telling Central Valley farmers/ranchers MOVE to another state & we can use your land to give free housing to illegals so that Apple/Google/Facebook employees in silicon valley can have their maids living in Modesto/Salinas/Soledad rather than further out. Similar to their High-Speed Rail. LA to SF was supposed to be 2 hours, it'll be 4 (minimum) if it ever gets done & Southwest flights can be had for pennies compared to the cost of operating that train. Who pays? CA and Federal Taxpayers. The idiocy will only end when money leaves the State and there is no one left to pay for the stupidity.

Nice rant

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

Diesel Engines sold in California will be more expensive/less attractive to operate.

I wonder if they will have checkpoints at all the roads coming into Cali looking for noncompliant diesel and gasoline engines like they do now looking for a "smuggled" bag of apples.

 

[workinonit]

But wait, they're okay with NASCAR building an entire race track inside the LA Colosseum and running a race that burns all that fuel and spills all those fluids on the ground. Not to mention all the spectators that drove to the track. Funny how money works.

 

[RalphVa]

I knew the regeneration cycle would be happening as I kept away from the larger diesels as my buddy burnt two engines up on his trucks. But the regeneration lights come on, right as I am in the middle of something, or it starts beeping and I have to stop immediately out in the field and find a empty spot to regenerate so I dont set the whole forest on fire. This is nuts...

Would imagine it is stinky, too.

 

[deserteagle71]

Would imagine it is stinky, too.

No, at least not with my Kubota. Literally, unless I see the light has come on in the dash, I have no idea the regeneration cycle is going on. No difference in sound or smell or in how the tractor operates. But that's because I keep the engine at optimal operating rpm. If the engine has been operating at or around idle speeds then if it is time for a regen cycle there will be a warning to increase engine rpms until the warning light goes out and the exhaust system is hot enough for the regen cycle to take place.

My understanding is when the tractor is new - when there is paint and perhaps some oil stains on the exhaust system - then yes, until all that burns off there is a smell.

 

[IndyJay]

But wait, they're okay with NASCAR building an entire race track inside the LA Colosseum and running a race that burns all that fuel and spills all those fluids on the ground. Not to mention all the spectators that drove to the track. Funny how money works.

"Money talks..."
...actually "money" flies around on private jets telling us to walk or ride bicycles.

 

[IndyJay]

No, at least not with my Kubota. Literally, unless I see the light has come on in the dash, I have no idea the regeneration cycle is going on. No difference in sound or smell or in how the tractor operates. But that's because I keep the engine at optimal operating rpm. If the engine has been operating at or around idle speeds then if it is time for a regen cycle there will be a warning to increase engine rpms until the warning light goes out and the exhaust system is hot enough for the regen cycle to take place.

My understanding is when the tractor is new - when there is paint and perhaps some oil stains on the exhaust system - then yes, until all that burns off there is a smell.

True, first regen had a very strong, foul odor. Second regen I hardly noticed that it had started. I noticed a slight "note" change, looked down and sure enough it was on regen. Hardly any smell at all on second. Haven't hit third yet. Getting them ~ every 70 hours.

 

[Blue Mule]

Its one of the reasons I tried to stay under 25 hp, but it seems I needed more rather than less and should have gotten a 40 hp or more...

I tried also. But I learned quickly that 25 HP combined with a hydro trans wasn't going to work on a 4,500 lb. piece of equipment.

If a guy wanted the gear drive trans he could probably do a lot of work with 25 HP. But with the hydro any jobs were basically low range only.

 

[Hay Dude]

Ever been stuck behind a 6.4L Ford diesel in regen? Better switch your HVAC to “recirculation”. It’ll choke you out.

 

[Jstpssng]

Ever been stuck behind a 6.4L Ford diesel in regen? Better switch your HVAC to “recirculation”. It’ll choke you out.

No, but I've been stuck behind plenty of diesel pickups with the black smoke rolling out of the exhaust... talk about something that will choke you out. And why is it that guys who drive those deleted diesels are so scared of shutting them of in a parking lot? Do they think that we WANT to listen to that rattle and smell their stench, or is it just that they are scared it won't start again if they shut it off?

 

[Hay Dude]

No, but I've been stuck behind plenty of diesel pickups with the black smoke rolling out of the exhaust... talk about something that will choke you out. And why is it that guys who drive those deleted diesels are so scared of shutting them of in a parking lot? Do they think that we WANT to listen to that rattle and smell their stench, or is it just that they are scared it won't start again if they shut it off?

ok point is?
I never deleted any Diesel engine Ive ever owned and I love clean air.
This thread is about “DPF REGEN driving me crazy”, not rednecks rolling coal.
I hate needless excessive pollution. Just because I farm and run machinery doesnt mean I approve of environmental abuse.

 

[Jstpssng]

ok point is?
I never deleted any Diesel engine Ive ever owned and I love clean air.
This thread is about “DPF REGEN driving me crazy”, not rednecks rolling coal.
I hate needless excessive pollution. Just because I farm and run machinery doesnt mean I approve of environmental abuse.

Point is, I was comparing older diesels to your quote;

Ever been stuck behind a 6.4L Ford diesel in regen? Better switch your HVAC to “recirculation”. It’ll choke you out.

And it isn't just deleted pickups which I was referring to. It's also the "Pre emissions" pickups which were and still are on the road.

 

[Hay Dude]

Point is, I was comparing older diesels to your quote;

And it isn't just deleted pickups which I was referring to. It's also the "Pre emissions" pickups which were and still are on the road.

OK one more question- Are you in favor pre emissions, unmodified trucks being removed from service? older diesels arent supposed to make excessive smoke. If they do, they’ve been modified.
Sorry to get off topic to others

 

[kenmac]

My pre missions Cummins don't smoke. Unless I add oil to the fuel

 

[kenmac]

What ever floats your boat. But I see no reason to dump excess fuel into the cylinders just to make smoke.

 

[Hay Dude]

What ever floats your boat. But I see no reason to dump excess fuel into the cylinders just to make smoke.

Its stupid, looks stupid and its environmentally irresponsible.

 

[Molalla1]

No, but I've been stuck behind plenty of diesel pickups with the black smoke rolling out of the exhaust... talk about something that will choke you out. And why is it that guys who drive those deleted diesels are so scared of shutting them of in a parking lot? Do they think that we WANT to listen to that rattle and smell their stench, or is it just that they are scared it won't start again if they shut it off?

I do understand Jstpssng . . . my 1ton 06 ram diesel can smoke a small amount under load (it is not stock).

 

[mo1]

Ever been stuck behind a 6.4L Ford diesel in regen? Better switch your HVAC to “recirculation”. It’ll choke you out.

Boy, that is no joke. Back then they were new, there was an F550 chassis cab ambulance with one of these engines at work. It would just billow out massive clouds of acrid white smoke when it went into regen. It made the previous "kings of the smudge pots," the 2.5 L Chrysler four-bangers from the late '80s with shot valve seals and early '90s and Mazda rotaries, look positively clean-burning by comparison.

 

[kenmac]

Its stupid, looks stupid and its environmentally irresponsible.

I don't mind a little smoke. I would rather have some smoke than to put up with costly emissions equipment.
I like to see my tractor smoke a little when I crank it. When it does, I know there are no emissions to worry about.

 

[Jstpssng]

OK one more question- Are you in favor pre emissions, unmodified trucks being removed from service? older diesels arent supposed to make excessive smoke. If they do, they’ve been modified.
Sorry to get off topic to others

Not at all. The only reason I made my comment was in response to yours about the Ford regen stench. (I’ve been told I’m not a true fan because I don’t care to smell them)
Who knows, there might even be somebody out there who enjoys the smell of the new Fords the way some like the smell of diesel.
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Then again, probably not.