Do you mow at 540

/ Do you mow at 540 #61  
Soundguy said:
6 db huh? that can be a huge amount of SPL... you really think it cut your sound by a wide factor like that... considering sound is non linear.. etc

Soundguy

It is a huge amount of reduction. Maybe it's 3 db...whatever cutting a sound pressure level in half amounts to, in decibels. Somebody else can look it up if they want. The bottom line is, at rated speed, I tend to use ear plugs and I don't enjoy wearing them. At 1800-1900, no earplugs needed or wanted.

There...are the flyspecks picked out of the pepper sufficiently now?
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #62  
Not to get off topic but I looked at PineRidge's website. Great job on your project descriptions and pictorials at the bottom of the page!
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #63  
Wow! I think the summer heat is getting to everyone. I think we should call this one a draw. Hats off to Sound Guy - he hit us non-540 pto rpm guy's with four posts in a row. As a famous man once said "Get-R-Done!" (By the way, I mowed 5 hrs straight yesterday below 540 PTO rpm!)
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #64  
Farmwithjunk said:
Every tractor model and/or brand is different. But in general, the RPM where 540 RPM PTO speed is achieved is USUALLY not where peak HP is achieved. Sometimes it's quite a bit different. On one of my tractors, 540 rpm's on the pto is at 1700 engine rpm. Peak HP is at 2250 engine rpm. At pto speed, hp level is (according to some old specs I have) 15% less than peak HP. That isn't uncommon. Most farm tractors I've been around will have the 540 rpm pto speed marked in some manner on the tach. Also, you'll find a "do not exceed" mark for pto use that's a tad faster and closer to peak engine hp output.

In the end, this isn't rocket science. So long as the engine pulls the mower (or whatever pto load is) and it cuts like you'd expect, it isn't all that critical what rpm you run at. However, in about every case I've seen, mower performance, as well as engine performance is better when you operate at or near manufacturers suggested levels. There are exceptions to every rule. In tough conditions, I'll run at or near that peak rpm level.

It's always been my thinking that the people that designed and built my equipment may just know more about the subject than I. When they give me a suggestion on how to operate it, I listen. Until someone or something proves that wrong, I'll stick with what got me here.
I believe you will find that 540 is just beyond the torque peak (and therefore below the HP peak) The reasoning is that if you are just over the torque peak and the engine wants to bog down, the torque increases a tad and usually pulls you through
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #65  
JoeL4330 said:
I believe you will find that 540 is just beyond the torque peak (and therefore below the HP peak) The reasoning is that if you are just over the torque peak and the engine wants to bog down, the torque increases a tad and usually pulls you through

That's true on SOME tractors. Not ALL. Some brands use a basic platform (gearbox/rear end/ect) and attach various engine combos. (More common in older models) Sometimes it isn't nearly as scientific as we would choose to believe. But as a genaralization, you are correct.
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #66  
Well it's obvious to me, now that it's been explained, that the reason the engine and mower make so much noise at 2600/540 is so that everyone will know that you're running at 540. Nothing really bad could ever happen at that speed but the racket is important because it informs others that the proper PTO speed is being used.

Someone who is QUIETLY mowing, on the other hand, is up to something. Probably thinks he's saving fuel or part wear or blades or something really underhanded like getting more seat time for fuel consumed. This is UNFAIR and cannot be permitted. Its a job for Dum...de...Dum...Dum, the PTO POLICE! ;^)

Back when I was learning how to hand start a John Deere A, nothing had tachometers; at least nothing I ever operated. This included the Johnny Popper letter series; Farmall H, M, and C; and, my favorite, the mighty Oliver Super 88. Yet they all had 540RPM PTOs. They didn't have PTO idjit lights either. So how do y'all think PTO RPM was set in those days?
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #67  
Bob_Young said:
So how do y'all think PTO RPM was set in those days?
My experience with those ol' boys is limited to a JD-B, and an Oliver 88 (Standard I think). On them it was just a matter of pulling the throttle to the stops. But I don't recall either of them having over 30 drawbar horsepower, you needed to milk all the torque they could muster.

//greg//
 
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/ Do you mow at 540 #68  
I wasn't trying to nitpick.. I was just wondering if your tractor really got twice as loud without dropping half the rpm?

Just curious.. what tractor are we discussing.. and does yuor manual have an ergonomics section.. many do.. if so.. it may mention a spl in db that is observed at the operators platform, ( in an open area.. thus no side reflections ).. Just wondering what you's lists.

Mine's 89db at rated rpm. ( though i still use headphones so I can block out all the sound except for the classic rock coming thru the headphones.
I try to care for my hearing a little better than the 'average' joe...that means I wear hearing protection alot... even in areas that are osha safe levels.. Doing this.. I've found it is easier usually to wear good protection, vs avoiding the sound, when it comes to damage prevention.. etc.


Soundguy

cp1969 said:
It is a huge amount of reduction. Maybe it's 3 db...whatever cutting a sound pressure level in half amounts to, in decibels. Somebody else can look it up if they want. The bottom line is, at rated speed, I tend to use ear plugs and I don't enjoy wearing them. At 1800-1900, no earplugs needed or wanted.

There...are the flyspecks picked out of the pepper sufficiently now?
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #69  
That's only beacuse 2 pages of posts pile dup before i had a chance to read. And since i read and reply serially.. .. all my posts get stacked on the end in a wad if I've been gone for any length of time..

A draw? This isn't a competition.. it's an 'opinion' volley ball match. With a few bits of (uninterpreted and sometimes vauge ) fact in the middle.

now where were we.. who's serve was it?

Soundguy

Propertymaint said:
Wow! I think the summer heat is getting to everyone. I think we should call this one a draw. Hats off to Sound Guy - he hit us non-540 pto rpm guy's with four posts in a row. As a famous man once said "Get-R-Done!" (By the way, I mowed 5 hrs straight yesterday below 540 PTO rpm!)
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #70  
Bob_Young said:
Back when I was learning how to hand start a John Deere A, nothing had tachometers; at least nothing I ever operated. This included the Johnny Popper letter series; Farmall H, M, and C; and, my favorite, the mighty Oliver Super 88. Yet they all had 540RPM PTOs. They didn't have PTO idjit lights either. So how do y'all think PTO RPM was set in those days?

Hmm..

timing light?

Manual roller pto gauge?


Soundguy
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #71  
Farmwithjunk said:
Moral of the story? If it works, everything is OK. If it DOESN'T, try something different. No matter how much "by the book" you play it, the only thing that REALLY matters is the end result.

Mow at whatever RPM your heart desires everyone!

I violently agree! :)
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #72  
I have been reading this board for a while, but have only posted once. I was raised on a farm where the largest tractor we ever had was a WD Allis Chalmers (about 45 hp). My Dad made 26 crops with that tractor, we farmed about 80 acres of cotton and soybeans (back then, you could make a living on that). We had a pull type bush hog that we used to mow around our old barn and sheds, cut down the cotton stalks after harvest, and mow about 8 to 10 acres of "layout ground". Sometimes we ran the tractor at wide open throttle (cutting stalks especially, you wanted to get that job done in a hurry, usually it was done in late Nov. or Dec.), but when mowing around the sheds and barn, and in the layout ground where you often hit holes, we throttled back a bit, and ran in a lower gear. The only thing we ever did to the bush hog was replace a shear pin occasionally, and fix a flat once in a while. When we sold it, the gear box, seals, etc. were all in good shape. Running at less than 540 rpm never hurt them in the 20 or so years we had the thing. We did overhaul the tractor once, but I doubt the little time that it spent running the bush hog had as much to do with that as the many hours pulling the disk, tumbling harrow, cultivators etc. did. By the way, there was no tach on the tractor, so we didn't know what rpm the bush hog was turning anyway. If the ground speed was comfortable, the tractor wasn't lugging and the cut was okay, that was all that mattered.

I now own a NH TC 30 that I use to spread dirt, chat, gravel, etc. I do some work for a contractor around new houses he builds, and put an ad in the paper to get a little extra work. I teach World History at the local high school, and do these jobs right now to pay for the tractor. Hopefully, later on when I retire, the tractor will be paid for and I'll use it to supplement my retirement. I have only done one mowing job with it, which amounted to cutting the waist high grass around a new house where I was doing the dirt work. I didn't run the bush hog at 540 as I didn't know what the carpenters had thrown out there, and I didn't want to throw anything through a window, so I kept the rpms at a speed where I didn't bog the tractor down and still got a good cut. I believe 540 is the speed for optimum cutting in tall thick grass, but you can run at a slower speed in sparse, not so tall grass, get a good cut, and not damage your tractor or bush hog.
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #73  
Again, when I posted I was trying to be helpful. If anyone wants to run their equipment at 540 that is fine with me. Or if you want to run it without oil, that to is your prerogative. What I am saying is that I have reason to distrust the 540 light on MY tractor that comes on when I supposedly reach that speed. If an engine is over revved it will blow! With that said most people on here, I think, should be able to tell by the sound of an engine whether it is running to fast. I would hate to see anyone ruin an expensive piece of equipment by merely trusting a, made in cheap land, light or gauge. I looked through my manuals and the mower manual said to hook it to the 540 PTO ONLY. Did not say it was an absolute. The manual for the tractor said that the 540 light would come on when 540 was reached plus or minus 10 RPM so even that is not an absolute. By the way, I DO believe in the manuals for almost all cases. If a head bolt needs to be tightened at a certain tightness then I do so. But I have seen bolts break at what was specified. Good mowing to all and do what your conscience tells you is right on these things.
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #74  
Actually, I believe that the 540 pto rpm thing is so you can match tractors and equipment. There is some equipment that is designed to run at much higher speeds than 540 that is not compatable to a tractor with a 540 pto, and by the same token there are some tractors with pto's that run at a much higher speed than 540, and one should not buy equipment rated at 540 to use with them. Most of the 3pt stuff that is rated much higher than 540 that I have seen is grey market stuff. If I'm not mistaken, some of the mid-mount mowers and stuff require more than 540 as well. I would think that 540 is the maximum speed that equipment labeled 540 rpm should be run, but that the equipment is designed to run at speeds a little higher or lower than that without doing any harm.
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #75  
This is a great thread and I want to thank all of you that have responded, I have learned allot about RC and RPM's and I am sure others have also.
Jim
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #76  
Wheeww,
Boy have we beat that topic to death !!!:confused: :confused: :confused:

Welp, if I was to run full throttle, 540 RPM on my old Farmall with a 6ft sicklemower, I wouldnt have any sicklebar left by the time I finished off my 10 acres :) :) :)
 
/ Do you mow at 540 #77  
No tach on that tractor to check out the pto speed sensor? If you want to verify the tach.. get an engine tester that hooks up to a diesel injector line to see if engine speed on tach is correct..

Soundguy

TrippleT said:
Again, when I posted I was trying to be helpful. If anyone wants to run their equipment at 540 that is fine with me. Or if you want to run it without oil, that to is your prerogative. What I am saying is that I have reason to distrust the 540 light on MY tractor that comes on when I supposedly reach that speed. If an engine is over revved it will blow! With that said most people on here, I think, should be able to tell by the sound of an engine whether it is running to fast. I would hate to see anyone ruin an expensive piece of equipment by merely trusting a, made in cheap land, light or gauge. I looked through my manuals and the mower manual said to hook it to the 540 PTO ONLY. Did not say it was an absolute. The manual for the tractor said that the 540 light would come on when 540 was reached plus or minus 10 RPM so even that is not an absolute. By the way, I DO believe in the manuals for almost all cases. If a head bolt needs to be tightened at a certain tightness then I do so. But I have seen bolts break at what was specified. Good mowing to all and do what your conscience tells you is right on these things.
 
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And here I thought I was asking a simple question. Thank's for all the replys.
Bill
 
 

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