DO NOT BUY TC40/45

[dynasim]

Brian,

In your negotiations with them, you may want to consider the supersteer option. The wheelbase is 81 inches, vs 73.5 inches in the standard version. I don't have any direct experience with ride vs wheelbase, but wheelbase has been mentioned in you previous threads.

Chris

 

[JerryG]

Is there a "lemon law" on tractors in your state? Probably not...but this one sure sounds like a lemon to me.

Can't say I blame you for your anger...your experience would put me over the edge, too!!

You have to use the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act for tractors.
Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dougster]

You have to use the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act for tractors.
Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good info Jerry... and excellent references/links out of Wikipedia. One link makes it crystal clear that state "Lemon Laws" typically do not apply to tractors (just cars and trucks) and so a lawsuit under M-M is definitely the way to go for anyone with a "Lemon" tractor.

Dougster

 

[Cobra-R]

This is getting blown way out of context. He said he talked to NH customer service as well as the dealer and they are being helpful. Don't be so quick to condem the company and dealer. (and the tractor)

If you want to see the cooperation stop, start making threats......ecspecially legal threats. Remember, the major companies have thier own lawyers............do you?

Brian

 

[IH3444]

Brian, I was quoted the same price for the TC45DA with hydro trans, and also a TC48DA with SSS 12/12. It was a no brainer for me after reading some of the post about grenading hydros, tractor stopping while going up hill with a full bucket of material, engine having to be run at 2,000 rpm, hydro noise, filters blowing off at 20 degrees when there is snow to be plowed. I started mt tractor search 7 years ago wanting a hydro trans tractor, but after reading the down side to hydros I decided to go gear. I am extremely happy with my NH TC48DA with 18LA, and shifting it manually is a breeze. The TC48 has 40PTO hp also. Something to consider.......maybe your dealer will allow you full credit on your TC45DA towards a TC48, or TC55. Good Luck

 

[D7E]

EVERY brand throws a bad one , there but a few brand that are truly no good .
I had 1 new valtra that was terrible
1 new deutz that was terrible
2 new MF's that were terrible
Too many bad JD's to list , One in particular cost more in repairs in 5 years than it cost new ?
In my time we've had around 50 tractors so far and NO brand is exempt from an odd-ball , Any new holland product is far from junk , You got a bad one ?
Over 20 of our tractors have been ford or NH and 8-10 other brands over the years and still do run afew different colours but i will buy blue for my first choice anytime .

 

[MikePA]

I started mt tractor search 7 years ago wanting a hydro trans tractor, but after reading the down side to hydros I decided to go gear.

I'm glad you are happy with your gear tractor, but what kind of posts do you think you're going to find on a site that is for compact tractors when most compacts are hydro? Additionally, people who do not have problems are not likely to post their hydro is working fine. Nor are they likely to come on here and praise their dealer. They are out using their tractor. There are downsides to gear tractors, like having to split them to change the clutch.

This is a problem with any Internet forum, people are far more likely to post about problems and it's very easy to come to incorrect conclusions. There are dozens of people on this forum who have NH, as well as hydro tractors of all brands that have had ZERO problems. Kubotas, JD, Kioti, Mahindra, the list goes on. Hydros without problems.

This kind of logic, as well as someone in another of Brian's threads indicating they may switch from buying NH simply because of one persons experience half way across the country, just escapes me. Can someone help me understand why people would dismiss hydro and NH, or any other brand for that matter, because of posts on the Internet?

 

[IH3444]

Mike, I have a hydro tractor with a 54" deck, two pedal fwd-rev system, that I absolutely love for cutting grass. I agree, hydros are perfect for many people, I decided to swap the smaller hydro, for a larger frame tractor. Not knocking hydros, just decided not for me.

 

[Turbys_1700]

Well, it looks like your dealer and New Holland will try to rectify this problem. All brands do make the occasional lemon once in a while. Their is no way that a TC40 should have any trouble pulling a 6' bush hog. I pull a 6' woods RFM with a 28HP 1720 in 7th and 8th gear without any trouble although I will say that in heavy grass she will bog with a 5' bush hog. Keep in mind though that I've only got 23.5 PTO HP. (Notice that I put in that .5 but that's according to New Holland specs. LOL)

Keep us informed to your progress. I hope things work out for you.

 

[MikePA]

Mike, I have a hydro tractor with a 54" deck, two pedal fwd-rev system, that I absolutely love for cutting grass. I agree, hydros are perfect for many people, I decided to swap the smaller hydro, for a larger frame tractor. Not knocking hydros, just decided not for me.

 

[Dougster]

This is a problem with any Internet forum, people are far more likely to post about problems and it's very easy to come to incorrect conclusions. There are dozens of people on this forum who have NH, as well as hydro tractors of all brands that have had ZERO problems. Kubotas, JD, Kioti, Mahindra, the list goes on. Hydros without problems. This kind of logic, as well as someone in another of Brian's threads indicating they may switch from buying NH simply because of one persons experience half way across the country, just escapes me. Can someone help me understand why people would dismiss hydro and NH, or any other brand for that matter, because of posts on the Internet?

Hi Mike - I don't think very many intelligent folks ARE reading negative comments and then blindly dismissing an entire brand based solely on the experience of a relative handful of on-line owners. I give the on-line tractor community more credit than that. In my case, I weigh every complaint thread I read against the number of machines out there, the credibility/history of the poster, commonality of various reported problems and the solutions eventually reached. Complaint posts can be valid, fake, applicable to an entire family of machines... or applicable to just one machine. It is up to the reader to digest the info posted and figure out for himself or herself the validity, relevance and importance of the complaints to their own buying decision.

Dougster

 

[HOUNDSTOOTH]

Amen to that brother!

people are far more likely to post about problems and it's very easy to come to incorrect conclusions

I'll shout it from the hilltop! I LOVE MY TC45DA AND MY DEALER.

 

[MikePA]

I give the on-line tractor community more credit than that.

I agree with what you posted, but I can only react to what people write. In this thread, IH3444 further explained his comments re: hydros. But in the other thread (Click Here) someone actually said they were reconsidering their purchase of a NH tractor until they see the resolution of Brian's issue with his TC.

 

[Dougster]

I agree with what you posted, but I can only react to what people write. In this thread, IH3444 further explained his comments re: hydros. But in the other thread (Click Here) someone actually said they were reconsidering their purchase of a NH tractor until they see the resolution of Brian's issue with his TC.

Hi Mike - I guess I can only go by my own experience here on TBN and the high respect I've got for the vast majority of intelligent, seasoned posters here. In fact, I love to follow some of these reported problems right through to their final conclusion even on tractor brands other than my own. I have learned a lot about my own machine (both potential problems and how to correct them) and about others as well. I respect Brian (LoneCowboy) as a pro and fellow small businessman and if he says he is having repeated serious problems with his new TC, then I'd like to know about them and the eventual solution(s)... mechanical, operational or otherwise. I believe that if I were specifically interested in purchasing that particular brand and series tractor that it would not be unreasonable at all to wait a few days and see how the NH factory folks address his issues.

Dougster

 

[FULLPULL]

We have had older gear transmissions for years . If you try to go up a hill in 8th gear high range they will fall on there face .It is no differance with a hydro in high gear . If you find the right range with a hydo they will perform good in my book. My tc55 with the ehss is a good choice also once you get some seat time they are easy to use. The hydro i had on my tc40 was a strong tranmission and easy to use . It would let the tractor do more work as in pushing dirt and ease of use around foundations and such. If they made a full hydro in the tc55 that would have been the transmission i would have bought. Hydro transmissions are a break through in design on a tractor.

 

[Bob_Young]

I dunno much about tuning diesels, but is it possible that Brian's TC45 wasn't properly set up for the elevations he operates at? Colorado isn't exactly a sea level state. A gasoline engine would need it's mixture leaned out to deliver full (available) power at 5000' and even then it would be down about 20% from rated power at sea-level. Would a diesel need different injectors for high altitude opn. or would a fuel pump tweak do it?

Looks like, on top of the cab and the hydro, Brian may have had altitude working against him. Hope he sees this. He might want to go to a TC55 or something that's turbocharged if NH gives him the opportunity.
Bob

 

[Dougster]

A utility class of tractor is better suited to heavy, constant use. A compact is more suited to a homeowner or hobby farmer. I am curious though, who buys more compact tractors? Homeowners, contractors or farmers?

Hi Robert - I think your use of the term "homeowner" keeps throwing me here. Perhaps the term "private landowner" is more appropriate to your question as there are a TON of rich Yuppies in and around Eastern MA owning up to maybe 10-15 or so acres buying CUTs and maybe even a few UTs too... 90+ percent of which are Kubotas. It's the local Yuppie status symbol once you have bought some serious land... or at least serious for a small state like Massachusetts.

I will agree with you that CUTs are the tractor of choice for private landowners.

Up where you are located, perhaps the typical everyday "working-stiff" homeowner already owns multiple acres... so calling CUTs "homeowner tractors" up there may be entirely appropriate.

Dougster

 

[jimg]

LC
Thanx for the update! Sounds like the corporate folks are on the right track and willing to work this out ASAP and get you back in business. Ill be really interested in the update from your Fri mtg. In my view this is a very GOOD reflection on NH. Instead of messing about it sounds like they cut to the chase and started the ball rolling to get oyu back in business.

 

[AlanB]

I guess I would add in a couple thoughts here,

When they are working with you, and everythign is going well, it is very easy to just kind of keep going, OK, OK, that's great.

But I would suggest, and you are probably already doing this. keeping yourself a small log book / diary, of the conversations, phone calls etc.

If it were mine, and I had that much $ rolled up in it, I would write what the rep said in my little log book, and ask him to sign it after Friday, or ask them to write it out. Kind of a mini contract.

When you have to go back two months from now, and you say,,, "I spoke with a lady at Corporate" or you say, "I spoke with Ms. Ophelia Smith at 123-567-3456 on 18 July 07" it carries a bit more weight.

I sure hope NH gets you going again and turned around.

I would be furious.

I had engine problems out of one of our commercial mowers once that took a bit. It finally got to mowing season and we were still getting jacked around as to if it was warranty or not (multilayer thing for kohler)

I finally got the head warranty guy for Kohler on the phone and said flat out

"Look, this thing has to run for me to make money to make the payment with. I need you guys to make a YES OR NO decision if you are going to support this or not and when you will get it fixed. If it is not warranty, that is fine, I understand that, I will kick this motor off, put on a Kawasaki, and see you guys in court later, but right now, I have to go mow so we do not go Bankrupt."

They got me a new Pro 23 installed the next day.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Hello Dougster, the way I look at it is a homeowner tractor is one that is bought by a homeowner to maintain his (or her) property. It may be 2 acres or 100 acres. The main issue is these machines see very limited use compared to a tractor that is in a heavy ag usage or state/town use where it is mowing every day while the grass grows. My friends who are homeowners and have tractors to take care of their property use their machines usually on the weekends when they have time to work on a project or mow the lawn.

I wonder if anyone has figured out a duty cycle for tractors like they have for small engines?