Oil & Fuel Cheapest good fuel additive?

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LazyBoy

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Alabama Gulf Coast
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Kubota B21
I did a search but didn't fine exactly what I was looking for, I just bought a 1998 B21 with 1725 hr's on it and it's my first ever diesel and I've been told to add some additive to the fuel because of the new low-sulfur fuel, what kind of additive can I find at the local auto parts place like Napa or Auto-zone that will work good? Some old farmer I know says he uses a qt. of pure vegetable oil per. 20 gal. of fuel?
 
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Welcome to the forum.

Are you going to act on everything someone tells you? With this being your first diesel, you are understandably behind the learning curve but if you act upon every bit of advice you get without understanding what you are doing, you will eventually run into trouble.

All of us were in your shoes at some point--no one is born with the necessary knowledge to operate diesel engines. However, this being the great free enterprise country that it is, that lack of knowledge on the part of the owner of a piece of equipment opens up a vast potential for 'entrepreneurs' to capitalize on that ignorance. It goes like this:

Step one: Convince the customer that there is a problem or deficiency that the manufacturers of fuel/machinery/etc. are either unaware of or are ignoring, much to the detriment of the owner (you).

Step two: Provide a product that claims to cure said problem, or prevent it's occurrance in the first place (i.e., the cheap insurance mentality)

Step three: Rely heavily on the end user not educating himself as to whether the claims of there being a problem are really true or not.

Usually the end user has no way of determining if adding additives to the fuel provides any benefit. Most reach the conclusion that because a.)I used additive X, and b.)I didn't have any trouble, that the former was the cause of the latter, which is a false conclusion. You can add all kinds of junk, such as used motor oil, gasoline, paint thinner, paint stripper, and lighter fluid to your diesel fuel and not have any trouble--a diesel engine is remarkably cooperative in what it will digest without getting heartburn.

FWIW, some of those ingredients, along with kerosene, are the prime constituents of diesel fuel additives, although listed on the can under different names. You might also be interested in knowing that those companies who burn the most diesel fuel such as big truck fleets, don't bother using additives.
 
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cp1969 said:
Welcome to the forum.

Are you going to act on everything someone tells you?

Nope, that's why I'm here seeking advise, if most people say it's not needed then that's good enough for me. I read one thing on here where a guy said adding 2-cycle oil made his engine run smoother, but I haven't went out and stole oil from my chain saw yet.
 
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cp1969 said:
... 'entrepreneurs' who capitalize on ... (customer's) ignorance ...:
Step one: Convince the customer that there is a problem...
Step two: Provide a product that claims to cure said problem...
Step three: Rely heavily on the end user not educating himself...

CP1969, THANK YOU for those clear and concise words of wisdom. TBN should post these words as a sticky somewhere on this fine site.
 
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LazyBoy said:
... if most people say ........ then that's good enough for me...

"Most people" aren't the fine engineers who carefully designed and meticulously built the reliable Kubota engine in your tractor. Why not simply read and trust what the manufacturer of this great engine recommends?
 
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cp1969 - Then how do you explain the increase in fuel related problems over the years? Little green men? No, it's the lack of fuel quality standards in this country and the result is poor quality fuel. Last winter was a perfect example of how fuel quality had dropped in the US.
 
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What fuel related problems? The gelling of last year, including instances in which additive users experienced the same problems as those who used none? I don't know....I didn't use additives last winter and had no problems. But I will say that from what I can find out, ULSD cloud point is about 2 degrees F higher than LSD(+14F vs +12F); not enough to cause the problems you describe. I would guess that someone skimped on the blend ratios or got caught with unusually cold weather. Keep in mind there were many posts from people talking about how additives failed them.

Now let me ask you this: How do you explain the 'luck' of those of us who don't use additives (including myself and Yellow Freight)? And why is it, that year after year, manufacturers never bother to put in their operator's manuals that American diesel fuel does not have sufficient lubrication, cetane, or whatever properties and an additive should be used? Why have they, who are smart enough to design the engines in the first place, completely overlooked this, year after year after year? Why doesn't just ONE of them wake up, or better yet, why doesn't just ONE fuel company go into a partnership with an additive company and offer additive-treated fuel at the pump to distinguish themselves from all the know-nothings?

People love their potions, whether they be Slick50 (until that fraud was exposed by the FTC) or fuel additives and it is extraordinarily hard to wean them. They are used almost exclusively as a substitute for education.
 
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For the OP's benefit, here is a good site to begin educating oneself if so inclined:

http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/diesel/documents/Diesel_Fuel_Tech_Review.pdf

Keep in mind, however, when reading the part about treating fuel with additives, they are talking about adding the additive at their end, not letting a known-to-be substandard product go out the door and it being the responsibility of the buyer to treat it.

I guess that is one point I should clear up. Fuel additives ARE necessary but they are added before the user gets the fuel. In other words, the fuel you buy has already been treated to the extent necessary to meet the specs.
 
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I'm no expert on this. I read in TDR that the additives are added by the distributers and there have been some quality control issues with it. One of the TDR writers who works at a Dodge dealer claims they have seen an increase in injection pump problems with the older trucks running ULSD.

I buy 300 gallons of diesel every 6 months or so and treat it with Power service just to be sure. It does not cost much and I sleep better. Am I wasting my money? I don't know, who is correct?, who to believe? but it's not enough money to bat an eye about anyway.
 
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That's one of the big problems. Your fuel may be fine in your region of Kansas, it's not fine everywhere. Fuel quality vary's a lot from region to region, even fuel station to fuel station. All depends on which terminal it came from and which crude it was refined from. Try telling the New York School District that there's no difference in fuel. They had to shut down school last year because they were having such a bad fuel gelling problem.

Here's a prime example of how the CFPP has gone up. A sample taken from a pump (treated at the terminal) and then the same sample treated with a off the shelf pour point additive. Not sure about where your at but it can get below +7 deg. F. where I am and I'm on the MD/PA state line.

FuelGelling.jpg
 
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I buy my diesel from a high volume dealer. All diesel operators in my area of NE had trouble with ULSD gelling last winter with fuel direct from the distributor. The general feeling from all was that the additive "mix" direct from the distributors was insufficient for our area. I had gelling problems when temperatures went into the low teens or lower until I added Power Service ("double load" as recommended on the label). I was ranting and raving about ULSD gelling :eek: :mad: :( all last winter on TBN. I never had problems with gelling with old formulations of diesel which I purchased from the same dealer in the past until the introduction of ULSD. I believe that I do need an additive for winter use. I am unwilling to "trust" the fuel being reformulated for this coming winter due to what happened to me last winter. I had good luck with Power Service (White Bottle) so I intend to stick with it (I also have PS left over from last year.). Jay
 

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