Chain Link Fence Advice

[ultrarunner]

Is 6 GA chain link fabric the answer to beef up security on an 11 GA fence that gets cut at least once a week?

Had Razor wire but no longer allowed.

Dogs a problem due to barking.

Kind of out of answers when thives have get out of jail cards...

 

[tallyho8]

If they want to get in that bad and that often, thicker wire won't help much. Maybe good security cameras or hidden game cameras would help catch them. You must have something on that property that they want awful bad.

 

[kenmac]

If you spend the money to up grade. They'll just cut it too. small bolt style cutters will cut it like butter
Even better is a battery powered grinder with cut off wheel

The thieves around here have been using these small battery powered grinders to gut CAT's, and DPF's off new vehicles in the dealership lots

 

[ultrarunner]

The property is leased for 2500 per month for auto dealer overflow storage.

It has a small office, concrete block washroom and perimeter fencing and detail canopy.

The 125' along the back alley is breached a couple of times a week the last 6 months.

Mostly after catalytic converters and tires.

Barking dogs would never fly due to noise ordinance and cameras really have no value as law enforcement rarely comes out for property crimes.

My thought is a heavier material would at least demonstrate action on the part of the owners...

The local post office had 10' curved pickets that seem to be holding up...

 

[jaxs]

Police not coming out for property crimes tell's you it will get worse before it get's better. How many times have you seen video of people walking away when police tell them to stop? Even if a night watchman was on site,thieves would attack or run if the watchman caught them.

 

[workinonit]

What you need is a bad ***** dog that doesn't bark. They are a lethal weapon. He just goes about his business. I don't think there is anything in the world I hate worse than a thief/criminal. If one comes on my property the only thing that will save him from a bullet is if he's carrying Baby Jesus in his arms.

 

[dougtrr2]

Motion detection lights and horn?

Doug in SW IA

 

[tallyho8]

A moat filled with alligators?

 

[ultrarunner]

I can see why many places around the world have fortfied homes and business districts.

Since the May riots/lootings business districts with open businesses are still littered with boarded up glass. Even skyscrapers downtown have first floors a sea of plywood.

A lot of Mom and Pop have spent heavily to install steel roll up store fronts and sissor gates.

The lot had Razor wire for years along the back but code enforcement mandated removal saying razor wire projects the wrong image...

This is same city that surcharges 6k additional property tax on each vacant parcel.

The city did send a postcard saying a new ordinance waves fees for homeless camps and vacant property owners are encouraged to apply. Program to be funded by redirecting money from police dept.

Check with liability insurance this morning and unattended guard dogs are excluded from coverage.

Post Office gets hit with grafiti but so far the iron fence is intact.

The period from about 2013 to 2019 was like a rebirth... vacant commercial renovations/leases... people moving into the area... it was a long time in coming but it's as bad now as ever...

A body shop extended a 15' high block wall topped with razor wire and had to get rid of wire so went to 6ga with barbs

 

[jaxs]

I can see why many places around the world have fortfied homes and business districts.

Since the May riots/lootings business districts with open businesses are still littered with boarded up glass. Even skyscrapers downtown have first floors a sea of plywood.

A lot of Mom and Pop have spent heavily to install steel roll up store fronts and sissor gates.

The lot had Razor wire for years along the back but code enforcement mandated removal saying razor wire projects the wrong image...

This is same city that surcharges 6k additional property tax on each vacant parcel.

The city did send a postcard saying a new ordinance waves fees for homeless camps and vacant property owners are encouraged to apply. Program to be funded by redirecting money from police dept.

Check with liability insurance this morning and unattended guard dogs are excluded from coverage.

Post Office gets hit with grafiti but so far the iron fence is intact.

The period from about 2013 to 2019 was like a rebirth... vacant commercial renovations/leases... people moving into the area... it was a long time in coming but it's as bad now as ever...

A body shop extended a 15' high block wall topped with razor wire and had to get rid of wire so went to 6ga with barbs

That behavior by government has come to be expected on the left coast and you know what they say,"what's happening in California today will soon be happening in your nieghborhood." Here's testament to that. Austin Texas defunded their police department and the governor had to put the Tx Dept Of safety (Highway Patrol) in charge before crime got out of hand. I doubt any place ha triditionally been more strict on crime than Texas so this is significant.

 

[EddieWalker]

Sad, but I think it's going to get a lot worse. Having lived in a couple of third world countries, it's just a matter of time until everyone has cinder block walls with broken glass set in mortar at the top of the wall.

A buddy of mine had a shop in Oakland for his crane repair business. The rent was good, but the theft was never ending and it was costing him more to try and deal with that then it was worth having cheap rent. After building up the fencing, they just cut through the walls of the building to get in.

Sadly, the most common way to deal with high crime numbers in a lot of cities is to just not report a lot of the crime that happens there. If they don't make it official, then it didn't happen.

 

[Citydude]

I can see why many places around the world have fortfied homes and business districts.

Since the May riots/lootings business districts with open businesses are still littered with boarded up glass. Even skyscrapers downtown have first floors a sea of plywood.

A lot of Mom and Pop have spent heavily to install steel roll up store fronts and sissor gates.

The lot had Razor wire for years along the back but code enforcement mandated removal saying razor wire projects the wrong image...

This is same city that surcharges 6k additional property tax on each vacant parcel.

The city did send a postcard saying a new ordinance waves fees for homeless camps and vacant property owners are encouraged to apply. Program to be funded by redirecting money from police dept.

Check with liability insurance this morning and unattended guard dogs are excluded from coverage.

Post Office gets hit with grafiti but so far the iron fence is intact.

The period from about 2013 to 2019 was like a rebirth... vacant commercial renovations/leases... people moving into the area... it was a long time in coming but it's as bad now as ever...

A body shop extended a 15' high block wall topped with razor wire and had to get rid of wire so went to 6ga with barbs

I have no words to describe my disappointment in mankind in reading this. I wish you luck and a safe wellbeing.

We have had an influx of people move from there to here. My neighbor is a realtor and he sold 7 houses to California families last week fleeing ( yes he described them as fleeing) that state. I can't blame them.

He did remind them that Wyoming ( excluding Teton county) is a very conservative state. Without hesitation, all of them knew it and could not wait to get moved.

 

[jaxs]

Sad, but I think it's going to get a lot worse. Having lived in a couple of third world countries, it's just a matter of time until everyone has cinder block walls with broken glass set in mortar at the top of the wall.

A buddy of mine had a shop in Oakland for his crane repair business. The rent was good, but the theft was never ending and it was costing him more to try and deal with that then it was worth having cheap rent. After building up the fencing, they just cut through the walls of the building to get in.

Sadly, the most common way to deal with high crime numbers in a lot of cities is to just not report a lot of the crime that happens there. If they don't make it official, then it didn't happen.

There's also an increasing trend of being told something (is,did,will) happen that in truth didn't and never will. ath::salute::liar: Is that coincidence or is there a connection?

 

[ultrarunner]

It's getting to be not a question of "IF" but "When"...

Most of my friends are older and I'm getting older myself...

Everyone retiring now leaves... but they leave with cash after selling the family home and mostly to be near kids living in other states.

I must be missing something because there are still plenty of buyers just as happy to buy as those happy to sell??? So far at least... two new listings went up last week... maybe trying to beat a proposed California Exit Tax???

I confess that I have been looking closer to home (online) at property in Nevada...

I love Western WA but definitely not old car friendly in terms of climate as my incidence of mold has proven and not going to heat a garage large enough to house 50 assorted vehicles and tractors...

Nevada has a dry climate and Old Car friendly...

If crime is rampant what's the point... I'm not blaming Law Enforcement... most I know just want to get the H out and not screw up before they do... All of my LEO friends retire to Idaho Nevada and Oregon... most to Idaho... must be very safe up there with so many retired LEOs

Don't want to get my own thread closed... because I'm trying to figure out a solution.

When the crime happens at the steps of Congress nothing is off the table... but when the crime happens in communities across the country we are told we need to understand and give people a pass because it's only material processions after all.

Mom approached the Catholic Church about donating the property... the chief financial officer for the Diocese suggested she sell the property and donate the cash???

She owns Dad's 50% share so it's not her sole say...

Dads been gone 20 years now and I'm doing the best I can and often wonder what he would think had lived to see the state of things today?

For a few years it was like a miracle... years of special incentives and programs did nothing... then the higher prices had a ripple effect... places undesirable got a second look... even with protests of gentrification... city leaders reaped windfalls of new taxes as property was improved and move in... and people were for the most part happy...

It's sad to see just how quickly things can change... Walmart left... Home Depot has said it is leaving, one of the largest family owned Security Businesses for generations packed up and moved to another city... there business is great but they tired of having to secure their own store and warehouse... some can't move fast enough... and those able to retire or work remote are heading out of State...

The young professional 30 something couples is what's different this time... they just see better futures elsewhere...

 

[EddieWalker]

Which Home Depot is leaving? The one I used to shop at in San Leandro, across from Costco was a mess when I left in 2002. You could not leave anything in your vehicle or it would get busted into and stolen. They had armed security at the doors to protect what they had on display, and grab people running out of the store with stolen items. For people that have never lived in areas like that, they just don't get it.

 

[ultrarunner]

Which Home Depot is leaving? The one I used to shop at in San Leandro, across from Costco was a mess when I left in 2002. You could not leave anything in your vehicle or it would get busted into and stolen. They had armed security at the doors to protect what they had on display, and grab people running out of the store with stolen items. For people that have never lived in areas like that, they just don't get it.

I don't go to the one in San Leandro after my truck was broken into Sunday morning at 11:30 am parked first space from the front door... same happened at Orchard Supply in San Leandro but had my car.

No issue with Hayward Home Depot but many I know go to San Ramon or even farther out.

A few of my one man contractor friends said they couldn't be in business without their watch dog... this is the reality of working by yourself out in public when you have tools and material.

The Oakland Home Depot, 4000 Alameda Avenue, is best I can describe as between Fruitvale and High below the freeway... under served area since Home Base pulled out years ago. It not the theft per say but the huge transient camps that caused Home Depot to issue ultimatum...

Bayfair Shopping Center is also avoided and withering... makes more sense for many to drive 10 to 15 miles over the hill to shop... mostly purse snatch and car break ins... charge nurse last week coming out of Bed Bath and Beyond... car came right for her and as it swerved someone came up from behind and took her purse and bag... she said never going back... which is sad to see but understandable.

The big Lucky's super market has no end to thieves... the managers actually take action and it was the same store that was looted a few months back... armed takeover that lasted hours with no police response... employees and customers got out the loading dock as shot fired...

Weekly fences cut at the Hospital... but it is more for transient convenience...

Seems the way it works is thieves first steal a car and/or plates... all the camera footage in the world doesn't do much unless someone is injured... again, property crimes don't mean much...

Now if you report a neglected or abused animal the action is swift... also anything with children.

 

[jaxs]

Which Home Depot is leaving? The one I used to shop at in San Leandro, across from Costco was a mess when I left in 2002. You could not leave anything in your vehicle or it would get busted into and stolen. They had armed security at the doors to protect what they had on display, and grab people running out of the store with stolen items. For people that have never lived in areas like that, they just don't get it.

Truth is Eddie,there's a bunch more people accross the country that"just don't get it" either. Case in point is my brother-in-law that lived several years just down the road in Pittsburg. I've known him over 50 years and injoyed every day I was with him. Not one disaggreement or hard feelings during over half a century,,,,,,,,,,,except at the mention of disaggreeing with,,,ahmmm, public figures of certain strips. I learned to avoid the subject decades ago but some folks never learned. At the mention of disagreeing in that one area and the man went rabid. Now mind you,I'm not talking about stirring the pot or poking and prodding,just the slightest decinsion about the most trivial issue and he went ballastic. There's a fair chance you bought hay from him. If so,you might recconize him and I believe you will aggree with the following caracteristics. Always jovial,swapping good natured ribbing and just a pleasure to be around. Worked every day into his eighties,spent money only after carful consideration and wouldn't take a hand out under any condition but gave and recieved gifts and favors like a gentleman. But he "just didn't get it"when someone said it can lead to all of us Bowing to and looking to an Emperor for all things in life. I know many inteligent folks that share my brother-in-law's affection and "I don't get them". :confused3:

 

[EddieWalker]

I didn't know that there was a Home Depot in Hayward. I'm really sad that Orchard Supply has gotten bad too. That was my safe place to shop. Of course, they where quickly disappearing and like everyone else, we drove over the hill to do most of our shopping when I lived there.

Here in Tyler, I don't know of anybody that empties their tools out of the back of their trucks to go to the store. I can have thousands of dollars in tools in the back of my truck, and I have no worries going to Walmart, a grocery store, Dollar Store, Home Depot or Lowes. Usually when I park, the truck next to me has just as many tools in the back of their truck as I do. At night, the stores don't even pull everything inside. Walmart has areas of the parking lot with cinder blocks as posts and a single landscaping log as the fence. When they close at night, everything just sits out there all night long.

 

[jaxs]

The conversation has got deep so I'll tell about an incident where a thief got what he deserved. For give me if this is the third time you've heard this but some haven't. Working freight warehouse loading/unloading trucks from 11pm to 7am in a bad part of town,spare tires from new pickups went missing regularly. "Ted" removed spare from under bed and placed inside bed. Beneath center hole in wheel was a double spring leg hold steel trap with chain secured to bed. One night some guys out on smoke break heard a comotion from dark parking lot. After investigating they came in and said "Ted,there's a #&%* trying to turn you truck upside down. Ted grabbed a tire billy and went to the truck to give the guy a beating. Couple of guys watch the perp while Ted removed trap,took it in warehouse and called cops. Cop asked who and why the guy had been so unmercifully beaten. Ted told cop he had to beat the guy to make him leave the tire alone. Cop asked "why wouldn't you leave the tire alone? Perp answered that he couldn't because his hand was stuck to it. Cop said "boy you must have wanted that tire real bad,can you walk"?

 

[EddieWalker]

The conversation has got deep so I'll tell about an incident where a thief got what he deserved. For give me if this is the third time you've heard this but some haven't. Working freight warehouse loading/unloading trucks from 11pm to 7am in a bad part of town,spare tires from new pickups went missing regularly. "Ted" removed spare from under bed and placed inside bed. Beneath center hole in wheel was a double spring leg hold steel trap with chain secured to bed. One night some guys out on smoke break heard a comotion from dark parking lot. After investigating they came in and said "Ted,there's a #&%* trying to turn you truck upside down. Ted grabbed a tire billy and went to the truck to give the guy a beating. Couple of guys watch the perp while Ted removed trap,took it in warehouse and called cops. Cop asked who and why the guy had been so unmercifully beaten. Ted told cop he had to beat the guy to make him leave the tire alone. Cop asked "why wouldn't you leave the tire alone? Perp answered that he couldn't because his hand was stuck to it. Cop said "boy you must have wanted that tire real bad,can you walk"?

The good ole days. Now if you hurt somebody steeling from you, odds are good that you will go to jail and the thief will own your house.