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[searcyfarms]

the only other thing you could do is use the money from the b/h and buy other accessories!!! did you have a reason for choosing a flail mower vs RMRM - remember the flail will take quite a bit more HP to run - they are a little easier to maneuver around things and with the minimal hp you will have on the PTO of a small compact tractor you will likely be giving it a workout - they don't cut any better than a RMRM matter of fact probably worse but if its what you have go for it, its not a horrible thing just different.

 

[rngrrymd]

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how about one of these? just got it today, haven't even gotten it dirty yet - I have to ask, why would you need a backhoe on 6 acres? I would save the $ on the backhoe. If you have a sizeable excavating machine for some project/task you can do whatever you need to do in a days time rental than it would take you a year to do with a small backhoe. It doesn't make sense unless you just have a lot of time to waste.

searcyfarms, looks great! My dealer called me yesterday - Woods is still 2 weeks out on getting the backhoe shipped so about 3 weeks roughly for me still to get.

 

[majorwager]

rngrrymd,

Never did ask you if the Case is actually a CNH product? Fiat engine? And if you are still interested in that time share?, the only drawback is it is located on one of those new militarized islands in the South China Sea, but the view is indescribable yet the neighbors do make a lot of construction racket. Access can be a bit limited, can catch a ride on a destroyer from the mainland most days...……...

 

[searcyfarms]

well I didn't get the BH so I got mine faster LOL - they had to gather tractor, bucket-loader,MMM from 3 different dealers - I am thinking about getting the guards for the lights on the rops, haven't been out to look yet to see if its got a 12V receptacle for my seeder/spreader - I know between my daughter/wife/myself those lights will get torn off by a tree or swingset or something that reaches out and grabs us - might put some lights up top, think I need to let about an inch of air out of the tires for better ride and then I also wont have to drop the ROPS to drive it into the shop door. Its got 3 hours on it and 25 hour break in oil so will take it easy till things seasoned a bit. I love the loader lever position already oh my its perfect.

 

[rngrrymd]

•2017 kubota B3350HSD TLB w/ 69 hrs ($21.5K no tax)

List price for that setup is $33423 then normally add tax on top of that. $21,500 is a 35.7% discount off 2018 list price. That's a very good price.

I think your neighbor is offering an ok price, used 3520's all over the map - nothing listed with a backhoe but 1300 hours vs 69 is a tough pill to swallow. Do you have any tasks that really require the extra weight the 3520 offers or would the Kubota B3350 or Deere 2038r work just fine for what you need?

I think you're feeling conflicted because the guy is your neighbor and friend and like Major said sometimes that gets complicated. That being said, your buddy at JD is not offering to buy you the tractor or coming over to mow/care for your property so you need to do what is best for you and a good friend will understand that. If you decide u want the Kubota, call the guy or have him over for drinks and tell him you are going that way because it is such a great deal for the money (He's in the business and he knows the numbers/values out there so he'll know it's a good deal). Don't lose a friend because u hid from him you bought a Kubota but don't lose a friend because u bought a 1300 hour tractor that you might not have needed just to make him happy but now you're not happy and less $21k - u know what I'm saying? If I was your friend at the JD dealership I'd tease you all the time but I'd still be there for you and help you out anytime - that is what a true friend would do.

Remember, in the end, its YOUR money being spent. Period.

Lastly, the only sucky thing about the Kubota is the pin-on bucket instead of quick-attach but u can ask the dealer if they could swap the bucket, will cost u some $$ probably.

 

[rngrrymd]

rngrrymd,

Never did ask you if the Case is actually a CNH product? Fiat engine? And if you are still interested in that time share?, the only drawback is it is located on one of those new militarized islands in the South China Sea, but the view is indescribable yet the neighbors do make a lot of construction racket. Access can be a bit limited, can catch a ride on a destroyer from the mainland most days...……...

Yes, same tractor as NH Powerstar 75 (called T4.75 last year) - Fiat Powertrain Technologies (FPT 3.4L 4cyl) Motor, only 1958RPM for 540PTO. 6240 lbs bare tractor then add the BH, loader, wheel weights, filled tires and fluids - should be about 10k lbs. I'm going to love the tractor - the payment not so much.

The timeshare is on one of those new islands China just built in waters that don't belong to them? Outstanding! Sounds like it could be a blast to go there sometime but you really - you shouldn't have spent so much Bitcoin buying into that timeshare.

 

[dotScott]

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how about one of these? just got it today, haven't even gotten it dirty yet - I have to ask, why would you need a backhoe on 6 acres? I would save the $ on the backhoe. If you have a sizeable excavating machine for some project/task you can do whatever you need to do in a days time rental than it would take you a year to do with a small backhoe. It doesn't make sense unless you just have a lot of time to waste.

I really like the 2038R and you can see that it's on my short list. Congrats on your purchase! $10K more though the 3520 and B3350 and I just spent $$$ on the land. The backhoe is another struggle. I want one more than I need one. Same as anyone else that doesn't use it to make money. For $9K I can rent one nearly every weekend for the rest of my life and still save money. I rationalize it with, "I need the ballast" or I can use it whenever I want. Put in a drainage ditch I didn't know I needed, "we need a coy pond right there" etc...

 

[dotScott]

the only other thing you could do is use the money from the b/h and buy other accessories!!! did you have a reason for choosing a flail mower vs RMRM - remember the flail will take quite a bit more HP to run - they are a little easier to maneuver around things and with the minimal hp you will have on the PTO of a small compact tractor you will likely be giving it a workout - they don't cut any better than a RMRM matter of fact probably worse but if its what you have go for it, its not a horrible thing just different.

Yup, that why I'm looking at compacts instead of subs. I could honestly get away with a 1025R or BX but need the PTO HP for the flail and weight for the box blade. The hedgerow, once it's cleared out, is going to have a lot of nooks and crannies that I'll need to maneuver around and I thought the flail would be easier to get around trees and also to store when not in use.

 

[dotScott]

List price for that setup is $33423 then normally add tax on top of that. $21,500 is a 35.7% discount off 2018 list price. That's a very good price.

I think your neighbor is offering an ok price, used 3520's all over the map - nothing listed with a backhoe but 1300 hours vs 69 is a tough pill to swallow. Do you have any tasks that really require the extra weight the 3520 offers or would the Kubota B3350 or Deere 2038r work just fine for what you need?

I think you're feeling conflicted because the guy is your neighbor and friend and like Major said sometimes that gets complicated. That being said, your buddy at JD is not offering to buy you the tractor or coming over to mow/care for your property so you need to do what is best for you and a good friend will understand that. If you decide u want the Kubota, call the guy or have him over for drinks and tell him you are going that way because it is such a great deal for the money (He's in the business and he knows the numbers/values out there so he'll know it's a good deal). Don't lose a friend because u hid from him you bought a Kubota but don't lose a friend because u bought a 1300 hour tractor that you might not have needed just to make him happy but now you're not happy and less $21k - u know what I'm saying? If I was your friend at the JD dealership I'd tease you all the time but I'd still be there for you and help you out anytime - that is what a true friend would do.

Remember, in the end, its YOUR money being spent. Period.

Lastly, the only sucky thing about the Kubota is the pin-on bucket instead of quick-attach but u can ask the dealer if they could swap the bucket, will cost u some $$ probably.

You nailed it on the head on all points. Pin on bucket is a big minus. The 3520 with 1300 hours is truly mint though. It literally looks new sitting on the lot. The orange tractor is at a dealer and if I can negotiate 0% financing rather than using my last cash on the JD, it's a done deal.

 

[XSKIER]

I've bought two used deeres at dealers. The money is 3% for 36 months on them. I'm pretty sure no other financial institutions will beat it.

 

[XSKIER]

What's it cost to get a 4n1 on the Kubota?

 

[dotScott]

Around $2-3K for the bucket and probably another $1000-1500 for third function valve installed. I'm just guessing based on a quick search. This Kubota doesn't have the skid steer quick attach either. The 4-in-1 bucket wasn't a function I was looking for but the Deere already has it. The problem with the 4 in 1 on the Deere is it isn't on the slick SCV joystick that's thumb controlled but on a remote lever right next to the loader valve. Awkward to try and manipulate both at the same time to say the least. $1500 to have that joystick installed. Plus side is that would provide an extra remote for the flail side shift function.

 

[searcyfarms]

@scott - kubotas do have the SSQA on their loaders not sure if it is standard or optional but I just purchased the 2038R and its NOT an option on their tractors at deere. I consulted them as to why because its a big deal to me and their statement was MOST SSQA devices are HEAVY and due to the many sizes of implements and users with lack of common sense along with litigious users it opens the door for misuse, tractor warranty repair issues, lawsuits, breakdowns. So they recommend the aftermarket SSQA units then it puts more liability on the user since they chose to modify the tractor. Most of the SSQA adapters are far over rated for most of the lift capacities of the CUT and SCUT.

I get it - don't necessarily agree with it but you could say the same about putting something on the rear 3 point. I think there is also some validity to them wanting to be proprietary and force purchases of their style equipment - so what about a HUGE tractor and loader that could lift far more than a SS - I didn't pose that question BUT - maybe they do have SSQA on the bigger Deere loaders that can lift a house.

I have a SS so don't plan on modifying my deere just yet unless I find a need - deere is spot on, ALL of my SS attachments would likely lift the wheels off the ground on the 2038R after I added the weight of the adapter then the implement let alone try to use it so then I have to get ballast, and am I overusing my tractor etc..........just don't want to go there and think about all that and just use it how it was intended not break something. If I was going to have to buy all new implements/smaller sized QA items its just not worth all the fuss/$$$ to add all those items.

you can look at it like this, whether I buy a SSQA stock or add on - you are going to have to buy more stuff - likely smaller due to the sheer weight and if you already have it sized for a SS its wasteful. you are still going to have to get off/on to hook things up and change out devices so you gain nothing there in terms of unhooking/rehooking.

For the guy that doesn't know any better - which is a lot of the new buyers these days, they have to make things more idiot proof. So my first ride kills my tractor last night when I back up using the MMM. I am like UGH.........I knew that was coming. I have lights flashing and messages on the dash telling me what I need to do - REALLY, am I so stupid I need a screen to tell me what to do? I know that I need to put it in neutral, I know blades turning and backing up are a bad thing if you aren't careful, I know I have to turn off any buttons and levers I moved to get the mower to work in the first place - so I chuckle to myself - YUP the new generation cant get their tractor started because they cant undo what they did to get it running so the dealers are inundated with calls saying this thing quit and wont run.

I have 5 of these generations - they are glued to their electronics like an additional appendage and if they lose connection with the world they are in a panic. I have to teach them how to be self reliant and figure things out because our world now caters to brainless thought and throwaway items.

Regarding the BH - you must be a better salesman than I, my wife would never let me go for that. Get whatever you want, if you find yourself getting tired of taking it off/on so you can mow with the flail mower you can always sell it and buy something else to play with. Have fun mowing around all those trees/thorns those hedge will be a Pain to you for years to come in soooooo many ways, the thorns never rot!!!

 

[dotScott]

@scott - kubotas do have the SSQA on their loaders not sure if it is standard or optional but I just purchased the 2038R and its NOT an option on their tractors at deere. I consulted them as to why because its a big deal to me and their statement was MOST SSQA devices are HEAVY and due to the many sizes of implements and users with lack of common sense along with litigious users it opens the door for misuse, tractor warranty repair issues, lawsuits, breakdowns. So they recommend the aftermarket SSQA units then it puts more liability on the user since they chose to modify the tractor. Most of the SSQA adapters are far over rated for most of the lift capacities of the CUT and SCUT.

Thanks for the great rundown. If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for the 2038R? With what options and attachments? The only way I could afford it right now is to scrap the backhoe.

 

[rngrrymd]

Forks, Grapple and Hay Spear and possibly a different bucket. Probably the most popular 3-4 items to use with a SSQA or John Deere proprietary QA. If you don't plan on using any of those on your property then no big deal to get pin-on bucket. I said it sucks because I am getting both forks and a grapple for my SSQA (I basically have 20 acres of trees that needs sections cleared) and if you need those then the costs/value changes on the Kubota to some extent. If you were to spend any aftermarket money on the Kubota it might be more practical for your needs to get another remote on the tractor for the flail mower.

Also a heads up:

218 John Deere 238R Tractor w/ 22R Loader (DEMO) for sale in Whitehouse Station, NJ. Power Place, Inc.

Here is a 2018 John Deere 2038R with 50 hours (demo unit) available in Whitehouse NJ for $22425 (comes with Deere proprietary QA but might need remotes)

 

[searcyfarms]

I didn't order mine with rear remotes - I got mine for more than that because I ordered mine with a 72" MMM - that price sounds good on that unit if I add in my MMM price - since it doesn't have that and only 50 hours with a full 6yr wty that sounds like a nice deal, I didn't see where you are from dotscott so not sure if that unit would be close to check out tho.

Is the flail mower driven by a hydro motor? is it hydro lift vs 3 point? why would you need a hydro port for a flail, all I have seen are pto driven and lift from 3 point.

my neighbor has an 11 footer is 3 point and pto to gearbox then belt drive after that

Have you driven the Kubota vs Deere? check out the difference in the foot pedals and getting on/off and manipulating the pedals and the loader joystick position too - I do like the SSQA on the loader but with my SS and what I liked about the deere - I decided on green. I don't care for the single pedal on the Kubota and I liked the loader joystick on the deere location better. someone said u can curl and lower on the Kubota but cant on the deere I haven't tried that yet but don't really care I guess - I am not in a hurry when doing loader work, I learned that long ago - heavy stuff on the front end is not something you want to be hasty with, now if its just light stuff then I move faster.

 

[dotScott]

Had a chance to get some picture of the 3520 I was looking at. Curious as to what everyone thinks about the price considering the condition.

 

[atsah]

Looks pretty good but it’s overpriced..

 

[dotScott]

Looks pretty good but it痴 overpriced..

Thanks. It seems priced right in relationship to other 3520's but does seem high when you look at newer model Kubotas with similar capabilities.

 

[atsah]

The JD 3520 is most appealing to me as the initial depreciation is gone and from my research, is a decent price.

The Deere is NOT a decent price, it is an overpriced 13 year old green and yellow tractor. Most of the people here couldn't care less what you or anyone else spends there money on, When you open a thread and ask questions you will get honest answers most of the time..

From what I have read of your responses it seems to me your more worried about what you friend/neighbor is going to think of your purchase than what makes the most sense for you financially.

With that out of the way I will leave you with this, forget about your neighbor, someday he will disappear forever, might be ten years, might be 10 days, Think about a one year old quality made tractor with 69hrs vs a 13 year old quality made tractor with 1300hrs, the decision is yours..