Akita Pool

[EddieWalker]

As in bathroom tile? Can you go into more detail how this will stay waterproof?:confused3::confused2::confused3:
hugs, Brandi

Not bathroom tile. For swimming pools, the tile has to be denser and not allow water to absorb into it. You have to use special tile designed for pools. The mortar to attach the tile is also different. It used to be used as the water proofing for cinder block fountains and shallow pools, and is still considered a water proofing method.

Redgard is a water proofing membrane that you paint onto concrete, or just about anything you want to remain dry. I use it all the time for shower remodels that I do for a living. This will be my main water proof barrier. The thinset will be a second barrier. The tile is not considered water proof, it's just for looks.

Here is a link that explains it a little better. http://www.custombuildingproducts.com/media/60093643/poolsfountains_wp129_11-14.pdf

 

[bindian]

Not bathroom tile. For swimming pools, the tile has to be denser and not allow water to absorb into it. You have to use special tile designed for pools. The mortar to attach the tile is also different. It used to be used as the water proofing for cinder block fountains and shallow pools, and is still considered a water proofing method.

Redgard is a water proofing membrane that you paint onto concrete, or just about anything you want to remain dry. I use it all the time for shower remodels that I do for a living. This will be my main water proof barrier. The thinset will be a second barrier. The tile is not considered water proof, it's just for looks.

Here is a link that explains it a little better. http://www.custombuildingproducts.com/media/60093643/poolsfountains_wp129_11-14.pdf

Eddie,
Thanks for explaining. It's as clear as mud.
hugs, Brandi

 

[s219]

I wonder how the cost/labor/benefit of block and tile compares to just dropping in a fiberglass pool shell? They make some small ones, and some with shallow entry, though I don't know about cost. But installation is pretty simple if you can dig the hole and backfill with sand or gravel. For me the challenge would be getting the fiberglass pool into the place where we'd want it, as access is tight.

 

[EddieWalker]

I'm sure anything pre-made is going to be cheaper, but the look of the tile a huge factor for us.

 

[clemsonfor]

seeing her holding that plate where she won with that dog is still funny to me!! I am talking about the pic with the 3 women and the dog!

 

[EddieWalker]

Today was trenching day. I needed to get a line in for the drain, then the water and power lines. The drain is just a simple 2 inch floor drain with 30 feet of 2 inch DVW pipe to my ditch. When I'm ready to fill up the pool, I will add a 2 inch gate valve to the end of the pipe. I have about foot of drop from the bottom of the pool to the trench. Since I'm going with salt water, there is no worries about dumping the water into the ditch, that will eventually go into my big pond.





At four months old, Matsu is the most curious of our dogs. He has to sniff everything that I dig up, and even crawl into it if he can fit

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Today was trenching day. I needed to get a line in for the drain, then the water and power lines. The drain is just a simple 2 inch floor drain with 30 feet of 2 inch DVW pipe to my ditch. When I'm ready to fill up the pool, I will add a 2 inch gate valve to the end of the pipe. I have about foot of drop from the bottom of the pool to the trench. Since I'm going with salt water, there is no worries about dumping the water into the ditch, that will eventually go into my big pond.

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At four months old, Matsu is the most curious of our dogs. He has to sniff everything that I dig up, and even crawl into it if he can fit

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Eddie, as someone who has designed dozens of pools, I would suggest you put in a double main drain. It is code on all " pools ", and for the safety sake alone, for your beautiful dogs. No need in taking a chance of something getting caught in the suction.

 

[bindian]

At four months old, Matsu is the most curious of our dogs. He has to sniff everything that I dig up, and even crawl into it if he can fit

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I like him already. More now, since I know he is a dirt dog. Bet he'll make a good tractor dog!

How much does all your Akitas eat a day?
hugs, Brandi

 

[rustyshakelford]

Eddie, as someone who has designed dozens of pools, I would suggest you put in a double main drain. It is code on all " pools ", and for the safety sake alone, for your beautiful dogs. No need in taking a chance of something getting caught in the suction.

For sure. It's easy peasy to add. Basically just put a T and add another drain. Looking great so far!

Brett

 

[EddieWalker]

Eddie, as someone who has designed dozens of pools, I would suggest you put in a double main drain. It is code on all " pools ", and for the safety sake alone, for your beautiful dogs. No need in taking a chance of something getting caught in the suction.

I don't understand what that is. The drain is gravity fed. I will have a gate valve at the end of the line that I will open to drain the line. It is not connected to the pump, so there is no suction other then what happens as it drains.

 

[s219]

I don't understand what that is. The drain is gravity fed. I will have a gate valve at the end of the line that I will open to drain the line. It is not connected to the pump, so there is no suction other then what happens as it drains.

The problem, as I understand it, is that even with just gravity feed, the drain suction is enough to pull/hold someone down to the drain, possibly underwater. Even if not underwater, the suction can cause bad injuries. With two or more drains, there will be a relief effect, so if one gets blocked it won't develop a dangerous level of suction.

The risk, as I picture it, would be sudden failure of the valve on the end of the drain pipe, or accidental opening, or maybe a tree branch falls on it and snaps the pipe. Then the pool suddenly starts draining and there is a dangerous level of suction.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

The problem, as I understand it, is that even with just gravity feed, the drain suction is enough to pull/hold someone down to the drain, possibly underwater. Even if not underwater, the suction can cause bad injuries. With two or more drains, there will be a relief effect, so if one gets blocked it won't develop a dangerous level of suction.

The risk, as I picture it, would be sudden failure of the valve on the end of the drain pipe, or accidental opening, or maybe a tree branch falls on it and snaps the pipe. Then the pool suddenly starts draining and there is a dangerous level of suction.

Excellent breakdown, and 100% correct. Give yourself some piece of mind, add the second drain now just to be sure.

 

[Budweiser John]

Hmmmm, given that logic may be I should get my ***** out of the bath tub B/4 I pull the plug.
B. John

 

[EddieWalker]

The problem, as I understand it, is that even with just gravity feed, the drain suction is enough to pull/hold someone down to the drain, possibly underwater. Even if not underwater, the suction can cause bad injuries. With two or more drains, there will be a relief effect, so if one gets blocked it won't develop a dangerous level of suction.

The risk, as I picture it, would be sudden failure of the valve on the end of the drain pipe, or accidental opening, or maybe a tree branch falls on it and snaps the pipe. Then the pool suddenly starts draining and there is a dangerous level of suction.

Thank you, that makes sense. The pool will only be three feet deep. I guess it wouldn't be too hard to add another drain, but I really don't want to because of the design I plan on doing on the floor with tile. Nobody will be in it when it's drained. I'll think about it some more and do some research before making a final decision.

 

[ustmd]

Eddie,

Great looking dogs and another interesting project.

I am very curious about this method. I am not sure it would work for us. Since we are on the Black Land Prairie soil (black, heavy clay) we get a lot of soil movement. During the summer, I would work about the soil contracting from the side of the pool and there be a blow/crack (a possible problem as well with a tradition gunite pool) . Will you be filling the blocks with concrete?

 

[bindian]

Eddie,

Great looking dogs and another interesting project.

I am very curious about this method. I am not sure it would work for us. Since we are on the Black Land Prairie soil (black, heavy clay) we get a lot of soil movement. During the summer, I would work about the soil contracting from the side of the pool and there be a blow/crack (a possible problem as well with a tradition gunite pool) . Will you be filling the blocks with concrete?

Ustmd,
Great to hear from you again. My daughter bought insurance for busted pipes for her Manor house. Twice the pipe feeding water to her house broke because of ground movement.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Eddie, that pic of you on the ditch witch shows what looks like sandy red soil... I guess it is more clayish?

Will you put down some sand underneath it?

 

[General Lee]

Eddie - Curious what brand of food you feed your dogs?

 

[EddieWalker]

Eddie, that pic of you on the ditch witch shows what looks like sandy red soil... I guess it is more clayish?

Will you put down some sand underneath it?

Yes, it's all red clay. It's very stable, holds water for ponds and once you break through the crust, there is always moisture just a foot or so down. There is very little movement in it, so I'm not planning on adding any sand.