Akita Pool

[Redlands Okie]

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Edie check this out. It's a underlayment for tile. In or outdoor. The detra would probably be best for you instead of Kerdi. It's sold at box stores and at pro tile shops. It's waterproof by itself. The detra would likely handle the block movement really well. Tile is just to protect the detra and for looks. It can even be used in steam rooms when properly applied which is impressive. No idea why you could not just skim coat it with a under water rated concrete coating. I will try to check with a factory rep I use for more info for you.

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P.s. Schluter provides hands on with classroom teaching mix certification classes in their products. If travel is involved they often will comp you the motel rooms and meals. I get the impression you do remodel work and this may be of use to you. The home site list locations and schedules. It's a top notch company and product line for my business over the last few years.

 

[EddieWalker]

Your puppy pond turned out great!!! This was our original plan, but it kept getting more and more complex. Finally we just stopped, decided what we really wanted, where we wanted it, and what our options where. This is our third plan. It's still evolving, but only the small details are changing for now.

 

[AGRIMAN]

Then I will paint Redgard onto the inside walls, steps and floor. Redguard is a kind of paint that is used in bathrooms showers that makes everything water proof. It's also listed as being used for swimming pools on their website.

When I lived in Indonesia, cinder block was used all the time for pools and fountains. Searching online, I found quite a few links on doing this too.

After the Redgard, I will be using a special thinset mortar designed for swimming pools that adds another layer of waterproofing. Same thing with the tile, it is denser then regular ceramic tile.

Eddie,

I'm not suggesting that your plan won't work, but if you have problems another option would be to apply a polyurea coating. You might want to check with someone in your area just to compare pricing before you start.

We have sprayed it several times now (no pools yet) and it's some cool stuff. It lays down nice an in around 45 sec turns to a solid rubber.

We sprayed some today for a engineering firm that's testing new methods for reinforcing concrete. They had 25 small test forms set up using different materials and we sprayed different thickness between the concrete in each form depending on what their test plan called for.

 

[AGRIMAN]

I was also going mention that we spray foamed a 850 square foot dog house a while back for a guy that has three dogs very similar to yours. I just assumed they were Husky's, but beautiful dogs regardless.

It was one building, but designed so it could be used as one room or three separate rooms with the outside fenced area the same.

He was having a small HVAC unit installed to keep them cool in the summer heat, but they didn't have a in ground pool.

You could tell that they were his kids.

 

[17 Oaks]

I was also going mention that we spray foamed a 850 square foot dog house a while back for a guy that has three dogs very similar to yours. I just assumed they were Husky's, but beautiful dogs regardless.

It was one building, but designed so it could be used as one room or three separate rooms with the outside fenced area the same.

He was having a small HVAC unit installed to keep them cool in the summer heat, but they didn't have a in ground pool.

You could tell that they were his kids.

Being a dog lover you can tell that guy you know someone whose dogs live in a 3000 sq ft house, one of my dogs owns a successful company in the pet industry and when it comes time to go someplace they ride in a 5th bought for them and redesigned on the inside for them, but most of all our dogs are with us 24x7, they are our children.

 

[EddieWalker]

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Edie check this out. It's a underlayment for tile. In or outdoor. The detra would probably be best for you instead of Kerdi. It's sold at box stores and at pro tile shops. It's waterproof by itself. The detra would likely handle the block movement really well. Tile is just to protect the detra and for looks. It can even be used in steam rooms when properly applied which is impressive. No idea why you could not just skim coat it with a under water rated concrete coating. I will try to check with a factory rep I use for more info for you.

schluter.com | Homepage

P.s. Schluter provides hands on with classroom teaching mix certification classes in their products. If travel is involved they often will comp you the motel rooms and meals. I get the impression you do remodel work and this may be of use to you. The home site list locations and schedules. It's a top notch company and product line for my business over the last few years.

Thank you. I was trying to decide between Schluter and Redgard for this, and in the end, the elastic properties of the Redgard seem to be superior to Schluter. The price difference is also significant. Schluter wants over $200 for their drains. Needing two drains, plus three water inlet jets and the skimmer, it just became too much of a challenge to figure out how to do this with Schluter.

If you keep up with all the latest advances in the Housing Industry, and latest methods for sealing up a house, Redgard and other brands that are similar like Blue Max, are replacing window flashing and even house wrapping. The upfront cost is more, but the results are so much better that it's becoming worthwhile. Kind of like comparing closed cell foam to fiberglass. One is just a lot better then the other.

Another thing that kind of started this is all those pools I saw overseas built out of cinder blocks. When I lived in Jakarta, everyone at the Embassies, and those working for the oil companies in nice houses, had a cinder block pool. They where all sealed with tile. When I lived in Yaounde, which is really third world, they where also built from cinder blocks. You just didn't see as many pools in Africa as you did in Asia.

 

[EddieWalker]

Being a dog lover you can tell that guy you know someone whose dogs live in a 3000 sq ft house, one of my dogs owns a successful company in the pet industry and when it comes time to go someplace they ride in a 5th bought for them and redesigned on the inside for them, but most of all our dogs are with us 24x7, they are our children.

Sounds like your dog is quite the over achiever!!! What company does he own? I wonder if we've bought your product?

 

[17 Oaks]

Sounds like your dog is quite the over achiever!!! What company does he own? I wonder if we've bought your product?

Perhaps, we are going into our 6th year of business, we sell on line and at shows across Texas, not available in stores albeit HEB and COSTCO have wanted us in their stores. I turned them down as I don't think I can maintain the quality at that big of a volume and the distribution challenges.

This is Buddy the Coon Hound, testing one of his products...

 

[bindian]

Don,
Thanks for your service.
hugs, Brandi

 

[17 Oaks]

Don,
Thanks for your service.
hugs, Brandi

Thank you very much it was my pleasure to have served...

 

[EddieWalker]

Forecast was for cooler temps to day and a little rain. With big rains expected Friday and Saturday. I decided to go for it and have the concrete delivered this morning. Four yard minimum was $510. The sprinkling lasted until he was done dumping it, and then it remained in the 70's until noon.

I made a huge mistake and only had him dump the 2 1/2 yards that I needed. Then I had him just dump the remaining gravel and sand onto my grass so I could mix it up later in my mixer to fill up the cement blocks. I paid for four yards, and it doesn't matter to them if they add water to it or not. The mistake was not realizing how much deeper my pad was in the middle. As I started spreading and smoothing it out, I realized I was short. I figured the most important thing was the footings under the cinder block, so I got that area all leveled out. Then I ran to Lowes and bought 20 fifty pounds sacks of Readi Mix and started mixing. What should have taken an hour job, turned into 5 hours. Fortunately, the original pour never got so hard that I couldn't liquefy it and blend it into the new stuff, but as you can see in the pics, it's not pretty. Good thing I'm covering it all in tile!!!

 

[Bird]

Good looking supervisors you have there.

 

[bindian]

Forecast was for cooler temps to day and a little rain. With big rains expected Friday and Saturday. I decided to go for it and have the concrete delivered this morning. Four yard minimum was $510. The sprinkling lasted until he was done dumping it, and then it remained in the 70's until noon.

I made a huge mistake and only had him dump the yard and a half that I needed. Then I had him just dump the remaining gravel and sand onto my yard so I could mix it up later in my mixer to fill up the cement blocks. I paid for four yards, and it doesn't matter to them if they add water to it or not. The mistake was not realizing how much deeper my pad was in the middle. As I started spreading and smoothing it out, I realized I was short. I figured the most important thing was the footings under the cinder block, so I got that area all leveled out. Then I ran to Lowes and bought 20 fifty pounds sacks of Readi Mix and started mixing. What should have taken an hour to spread, turned into 5 hours. Fortunately, the original pour never got so hard that I couldn't liquefy it and blend it into the new stuff, but as you can see in the pics, it's not pretty. Good thing I'm covering it all in tile!!!

It's amazing how concrete work can get under estimated, but never over estimated. I have made fast trips to Lowes also.

Like Bird stated above.................Good looking supervisors you have there.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Drunkwater]

I would caution against redguard in a pool application. Polyurethane based products aren't designed for continuous submersion, and have weak chemical resistance. Have a look at the Mapei product line, they've got a complete line of waterproofing from mortar right on up to the tile grout designed specifically for pool applications. Don't be too concerned about flexibility, despite being 'cement based' products, the waterproofing layers remain flexible. The Mapei products will be compatible with standard commercial drains.

Schluter is overpriced and overrated IMO. Best left to designer homes. There are plenty of equivalent products at a fraction of the cost.

I'm enjoying following this project, keep it coming!

 

[EddieWalker]

I would caution against redguard in a pool application. Polyurethane based products aren't designed for continuous submersion, and have weak chemical resistance. Have a look at the Mapei product line, they've got a complete line of waterproofing from mortar right on up to the tile grout designed specifically for pool applications. Don't be too concerned about flexibility, despite being 'cement based' products, the waterproofing layers remain flexible. The Mapei products will be compatible with standard commercial drains.

Schluter is overpriced and overrated IMO. Best left to designer homes. There are plenty of equivalent products at a fraction of the cost.

I'm enjoying following this project, keep it coming!

I agree with you about Schluter products, but for those willing to spend the extra money, it's alright. Just not what I want to use.

From their website, Redgard says it's designed for swimming pools. Do you have some other information that I should look into? I'm not committed to Redard, it's just a popular product there that is easy to get, and that I've been using for several years now on showers that I've remodeled for clients.

My favorite tile supply company here in Tyler told me about the waterproof mortar to use for swimming pools, but I don't know the brand name of it. My thinking is that the mortar will acts as a second layer of water proofing over the Redgard. Then the tile and grout would be the third layer.

The block is being delivered tomorrow, Sunday, and I'm sure it will take awhile to get it all set. After that, I'll plan to give it at least a month to cure. Im in no rush at all to move forward with that part of this project, so I still have lots of time to make a final decision.

The Akita Pool is just part of what we are doing. Our back porch is only 9 ft deep and 12 feet wide. We are tearing it down, and expanding it to the edge of the pool and as wide as we can possibly make it. The Akita Pool is the focal point, and nice accent, but the porch itself is the main project that we want to get done.

 

[CincyFlyer]

One of the problems with Akita's is they blow their coat. ...

Our dearly departed Alaskan Malamute blew about three sweater's worth a year. I couldn't get anyone to spin it into yarn, however.

 

[dragoneggs]

I've used Redgard a couple of time on concrete floor and a tile shower remodel. Easy to apply, rolls on easy. No issues for me and I know contractors around here use it indoors and out.

 

[EddieWalker]

Block seems to be about the same price everywhere. Lowes had it for $1.47 each plus $65 for delivery. I also had them deliver thirty 80 pound sacks of Type S mortar. I think the delivery fee is the best money spent ever. He used his forklift to put the pallets right where I wanted them. It would take me all day, and it would be a very long, painful day to do this on my own.

 

[EddieWalker]

Our dearly departed Alaskan Malamute blew about three sweater's worth a year. I couldn't get anyone to spin it into yarn, however.

With four Akita's, I have no idea how much hair we end up, it's just become part of life. Same as dealing with dust in the house. Fortunately , my wife seems to have some sort of OCD about constantly cleaning the house!!! One thing that we are doing is removing carpet and wood flooring. Everything is going to be tile!!!

 

[jenkinsph]

Looks good Eddie.

I was about half way through a pad Saturday working with sackrete and had the mixer electric motor lock up. I was able to get it off and fixed up on site and back in business but that was a close call. I like the 50 pound sacks from Lowes, good for old men and same cost per pound as the 80 sacks.