2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using

   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #141  
ZJ_HR - the website you link to has some interesting pictures. The rotary plow shown there looks fairly different from the Berta rotary plows sold by Earth tools in the US (see the pictures posted earlier in this thread).

Berta and Earth Tools have a double plow model which can be reversed to plow to the right or left. At the time I purchased my plow I was unaware of the problems I would encounter using it on a slope, and Joel from Earth Tools advised against the double plow because it is very heavy, so I bought the single. Perhaps I should have chosen the double.
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #142  
My walkbehind is from this manufacturer, too.
I didn't see any rotary plow in use here, just "dead" exponates on fairs. So, I can't comment.
We use bottom plows for walkbehins, mainly in vineyards in autumn (for covering roots to avoid cold). For deeper plowing in gardens, people use tractors, or small gardens are done with showels.
But seems interesting attachment.
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #143  
Just a question; this Berta plow is in front, or at back during work?
Plow on my link is in front of tractor, like mower for example.
 
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julichris:

<font color="blue">I find a single Earthway seeder difficult enough to push, and I think 4 or 5 bolted together would be very straining, at least in our soil, which is silt to clay and fairly compacted. </font>

Although this is a bit off topic, I couldn't help thinking about your comment. I've used the Earthway seeder and they seem to work very well, except for the really small seeds. I have 12 different seed plates and they do a nice job of spacing (reduces thinning) and planting at proper depth. The manufacturer will make up specific plates if needed (or so I've been told). My only criticism of it is that the seeder requires rather exact conditions. Too wet, too much larger clods then it's not so good. It seems to work better, but isn't as heavy as say the old Planet Jr seeders (or something like the Nybex-whew, those are expensive). You're not trying to plant without a nice, fluffy seed bed?

To test your soil (the mechanical condition) fill about 1/3 of a 1 quart mason jar with dirt, top off with water and shake it up real good. Then sit it on a window sill for a day or two. The organic material, being lighter, will float to the top, sand (heavier) will be on the bottom, next up will be silt and on top of that, the clay particles. There should be a fairly fine division/line between the different constituent parts of the soil structure. You can then make an estimate of the percentages of the different material. If the sand, for example, is too little dump an inch or two and till it in. If the mechanical condition is well balanced, and the ground is well tilled and fluffy, the plants will grow better and the seeding should be easy.

Actually, I tend to like transplanting. Transplanting already started plants into fresh tilled ground (no weeds started) gives the crop a head start, reduces weeding etc. The only thing I don't like about that is using those plastic trays (makes it harder to transfer/set out). I bought a couple soil block makers in a couple sizes recently and will try those next year. Supposedly, can simply lift the blocks off a board with a trowel and drop in the hole. Small blocks (for making the holes) can be mounted to an open roller (spaced as required) which is towed behind the tiller. One pass leaves everything fluffy, properly spaced holes and ready for transplanting/setting out. We'll see.

JEH

PS ZJ_HR the rotary plow on the gravely was in front, on the BCS (and European 2 wheelers) is driven with the PTO in the rear facing position.
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #145  
I looked up "soil block maker" and was surprised that my imagined picture of what they were was way off /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I was thinking along the lines of a cement paver mold... a hamburger press is more accurate.I do believe I'm gonna round up some stuff and make a few of those.Love the idea of pulling a roller with blocks on it too.I am just finishing up a tractor I built from scratch,but I don't really have a use for it yet.Plan on building a trailing mower and maybe a disk.Guess I'll just build a roller thingie too. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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bobodu:

<font color="blue">Love the idea of pulling a roller with blocks on it too. </font>

Joel, over at Earthtools, was making one up for Elliott Coleman (the writer) when I picked up my BCS. Take a piece of stiff, heavy duty, open mesh, wrap it around a shaft (actually around "wheels" mounted on the shaft) so you have a diameter of say 12" or bit more. Attach the shaft to a drawbar to hook up to your tractor. Viola. If using say 2" soil blocks simply attach two inch blocks of wood through the mesh at whatever spacing needed for whatever crop you are growing. If you attach behind the tiller (harder to do with your Gravelies) you till & prep for transplanting in one pass. Seems like it wouldn't work as good for row planting though as for bed planting. Don't know what system you use.

Whitley County. ummm spent some of my youth in Ft. Wayne.

JEH
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #147  
I don't think I'll use one of the Gravely's for this task.In fact,I don't even own a rotary cultivator (tiller) attachment and my old neighbor in Fort Wayne seems to have developed a relationship with my Craftsman tiller /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.Last year,I just planted as the rotary plow left it.Course,I plowed it something like 20 times because I'm still fasinated by that thing!I have hauled in about forty yards of horse manure so far for the new garden and will have that many more before planting time.Did a soil test this year and this soil stinks!!Neighbor has a silo full of composted silage if I can figure out how to retrieve it.Hard as a rock!By spring,I'll have a disk for the tractor I'm building out of a scavenged 20 hp Kohler and $150 worth of stuff.Mounting the roller on the Gravelys would be simple enough..a yoke and two bolts,but here's the plan as it stands for now.This spring,I bought an old Simplicity cultivator with a Clinton engine on Ebay.Took me all summer to find out what it was...Thinking about mounting four blocks on a truck rim and attaching this to the front.The wheels will straddle the row.Since I plant short rows,I can still make a long rows...just change the plants! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #148  
We were tilling yesterday our old vineyard. Soil was really hard, and walk behind tractor, borrowed from a friend, had hard time to break compacted clay soil. Also father (on pic) had hard time to make several feets of tilling (when I take a pics /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )
Walk behind is about 20y old. It has 13 HP licensed Lombardini diesel engine, which started on first pull after 6 months of non use.
 

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   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #149  
Yes, this motor is LOUD an a little smokey, but pull like a mule /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 

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   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #150  
Would someone post (or email) some good photos of a Berta Rotary plow? I have searched for photos, but I have not been able to figure out how the thing works. I have soft red soil that is loaded with 2-8" stones. When working new ground it beats up my tiller, so much so that I have sheared bolts, and had a hub come loose. I know that if I keep using my tiller in this soil I will destroy it. I need to find another way to work the soil, and it sounds like a Berta rotary plow may be the ticket.

I have a BCS 852 with a 30" tiller and a 31" DelMorino brush mower, the machine has been great so far, I only have about 20 hours on it, I bought the tractor and tiller from a local dealer in Redding, CA. The mower and several other goodies were purchased from earth tools, they were awesome. The mower has been great, and the best thing is that my wife can actually wrestle the contraption and mow the property, which is steep and covered with lots of oak trees with low branches and brush.
 

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   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #151  
Sorry, don't have any Berta pic. I have their CD somewhere ...
Principle of rotary plow you can see here .
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #152  
ZJ - why do you have the tires on "backwards" ?
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #153  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ZJ - why do you have the tires on "backwards" ? )</font>

To20Chris,
You DO understand that these tractors are <font color="red">bi-directional</font> right? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif The handlebars rotate 180 degrees to pull or push its various attachments. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

The tires are on the right way for tilling, which requires more traction than mowing, etc.
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #154  
Thanks, I'm more used to my Gravely with fixed handle bars. But still, for the tilling direction he's going, the tires are reversed from that of a tractor. Not that you'd want to spin the tires every time!

I've recently procured a rusted out Gravely carcass - but it has duals on it. I've been spraying the bolts with penetrating oil every week - one of these days I'll find the time to get the air wrench on them. Then I'll put on 4 ag tires, and I've heard some people put one on forward, one on backward on each side. I may have to give that a try.
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #155  
To20Chris,
Reason why tires are backwards is that, as I mentioned, machine is borrowed from my friend, and I was too lazy to replace their side. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

BTW, when you till soft ground, reverse tires don't dig when tires spin in place, similar effect to snow (tractor goes better backwards than forward in deep snow). This is good effect if machine has narrow tires and is lightweight.
Machine on pic is heavy about 450 lbs, and traction is not a issue.
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #156  
Still looking for my info on the Berta rotary plow.

Does anybody have the video from Earth Tools?

I should give them a ring and get a copy of the video.....
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #157  
Well I don't have a Berta rotary plow, but I do have one for the Gravely. I used it for the first time this year, quite a piece of equipment. Although I must say the Gravely plow is a handful to control, especially in rocky hard soil, but from what I have read the Berta is supposedly more user friendly, I would contact Earth Tools for info, maybe if your close enough they have one to demo.
 
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js5020 ( & ZJ_HR et al):

<font color="blue">the Gravely plow is a handful to control, especially in rocky hard soil, but from what I have read the Berta is supposedly more user friendly </font>

Gee, I'm surprised this thread is still inching along. Trust you all doing well. Yes, having used both gravely & Berta, Berta much easier. No comparison. The gravely's is "out front" and the angle has to be adjusted just right or it's a bear to keep straight, Keeps wantin to pull to one side or other if not perfectly adjusted-the gravely rotary plow can jerk your arms REAL bad. Berta is pulled and winds churning. Rocks (or tree roots!) don't affect it nearly as much. While there were some things I miss about the gravely, the tiller/rotary plow arn't one of them.

Have about 100 hrs on my BCS and am glad I switched to the BCS. Doesn't steer as easily as gravely with duals, but has brakes which make up for it. Bush hog (31") much better than gravelies, but finish mower not so good-doesn't pivot laterally so is more difficult to control/guide on slopes, irregular surfaces. Traction very good even with singles (have about 100 lbs. of wheel weights on the BCS). 12" wheels much better than the 8" on the gravely and with the diff lock have never been stuck in a rut. Chipper is excellent-feed rate better than some larger ones I've used.

take care

JEH
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #159  
I just purchased a bcs 830. It is about three years old with with very low hours and appears to be in great shape. Has 9hp briggs and 26" tiller. Really looking forward to logging in some time behind it. I will most likely get the snowblower and chipper for it.

I wish we could make a seperate 2 wheel forum secion on the website. Would be a pretty cool section if you ask me...
 
   / 2 Wheel Tractors - Buying & Using #160  
Hey I'm up for it, I just picked up a 12 hp Gravely last year, never used one before, I got 2 mowers, snowblower, blade, and a rotary plow with it and have added a sickle mower and another snowblower to the collection. The thing is amazing for it's size and is a serious get something done machine. It's easy to maintain and runs pretty cheap too. Parts look to be available and reasonably priced.
 

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