Pick WinterDeere's next truck

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JUST SAY NO TO ANY 10 SPEED TRANSmission’s.

But I don’t know if you can buy a Ford truck with anything other than a 10 speed transmission days thank you to the café standards.
Really? The internet isn't exactly filled with people irate over their new Ford trucks. Of course there are a few here in there for any brand, but overall... what am I missing?
 
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Concerning point 5, unless your towing trips are less than 100 miles round trip I would not recommend an EV.
I've only had one trip in the last 25 years that was more than 20 miles with my 7k# trailer. I do longer trips with my boat trailers, but they're only 1000 - 1500 lb, and have relatively low drag due to the shape of a boat. Also, I never mind hooking the boat to my wife's Durango for longer trips, which is a 5.7L ICE.

I really don't expect range to be a big issue for me, with this vehicle. I used to do a lot of long driving trips, but almost always fly or take the train these days, if a driving trip is more than 250 miles each way.

I did not see any replies that included EVs so here goes.

In 2023 my wife wanted a new car and an EV. She bought a Rivian. It is very fancy. It has all the technology. It does all the truck stuff. But it has a very short bed. Service is a 90 mile drive, in Philadelphia you might be closer to a service center.

Last year I wanted a new vehicle. I saw on Carvana that they had taken in a fleet of used Silverado EVs.
I self-identify as "EV curious". :D But GM and their local dealerships left me with such disgust for them, after a prior ownership experience, that I have some trouble even looking at that bowtie badge without getting a little angry.

When casually or accidentally coming across threads on this forum and elsewhere, I come across a lot of Dodge and Ford fanboys, but most stories evoking GM are those of pure ownership frustration. Maybe I'm reading with a bias due to my own experience, or just lucking into the wrong stories, but that's been my impression.

I love the Rivian trucks, but more as a daily runabout than a tow vehicle. They just look way too small in front of a big trailer, to where I think side view mirrors don't even stick out far enough to see trailer fenders or rear wheels on our too-narrow PA back roads.
 
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Yet another truck has rusted out on me, this time 11 years. Bed walls are bulging due to delamination behind spray-on liner, and eye bolts are just falling out. But outer body still looks presentable... maybe it won't totally kill me on trade-in. Truck has 52k miles.

I've been a "Ram guy" the last 20 years, for one reason: Ram offered manual transmission with a V8 and extended cab, while no other brand did. Now that's gone away, so I have less reason to stay with Ram, although I will admit they've been the most reliable trucks I've ever owned... rust aside. I've also grown to like the feel and controls of them, in fact we have three Dodge's in the garage right now.

The requirements:

1. Must be 4wd. My primary use of this vehicle is "bad weather days", when I don't want to drive my sports car or sedan in snow and salt. I also take it off-road several times per year, mostly when pulling a trailer.
2. Must have integrated trailer brake system, and will favor highest tow rating. I use this truck for pulling a 7k# trailer loaded with logs or tractor over hilly terrain and offroad.
3. Would favor lower roof height, as I also take this vehicle into old parking garages in Philly, where roof clearance is a constant issue. This is the sole reason I've been buying 1/2 ton trucks, despite 3/4 ton being more suitable for my trailer's ~1000# tongue weight.
4. I will always choose highest horsepower and highest rear gear ratio available. This is another area where Ram seems to outperform everyone else.
5. Yes, I would consider an EV, if it actually looks and feels like a real pickup truck. When I see numbers like 1000 hp posted, I don't understand how you can't be interested in driving that. I am a founding member of the HA = "Horsepower Anonymous" support group. But I ain't paying $100k for a pickup truck, so that may be off the table, anyway.
6. Not interested in diesel. Slow, and unnecessarily expensive, when I never get more than 70k miles out of a truck before it's rusted thru.

I don't have a specific budget. But I don't like throwing away money on anything, so it's going to be a matter of seeing where the market is, and then choosing "good value" for my dollar.

If there's any truck of any series or brand available with a manual transmission, I'm probably buying that. If there's one thing I hate more than any other mechanical device on earth, it is the automatic transmission. But it needs to be 4wd extended cab, and capable of pulling my trailer at highway speed, so not a wimpy v6 configuration.

Thoughts? Recommendations?
Put a new or good used box on it.
 
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What's wrong with just keeping your current truck?
Everything you said about your old truck will happen to a new truck. Just keep what you have. Rusty vehicles have character, and the one thing they don't have is a big hit on the bank account.
 
/ Pick WinterDeere's next truck #165  
Yet another truck has rusted out on me, this time 11 years. Bed walls are bulging due to delamination behind spray-on liner, and eye bolts are just falling out. But outer body still looks presentable... maybe it won't totally kill me on trade-in. Truck has 52k miles.

I've been a "Ram guy" the last 20 years, for one reason: Ram offered manual transmission with a V8 and extended cab, while no other brand did. Now that's gone away, so I have less reason to stay with Ram, although I will admit they've been the most reliable trucks I've ever owned... rust aside. I've also grown to like the feel and controls of them, in fact we have three Dodge's in the garage right now.

The requirements:

1. Must be 4wd. My primary use of this vehicle is "bad weather days", when I don't want to drive my sports car or sedan in snow and salt. I also take it off-road several times per year, mostly when pulling a trailer.
2. Must have integrated trailer brake system, and will favor highest tow rating. I use this truck for pulling a 7k# trailer loaded with logs or tractor over hilly terrain and offroad.
3. Would favor lower roof height, as I also take this vehicle into old parking garages in Philly, where roof clearance is a constant issue. This is the sole reason I've been buying 1/2 ton trucks, despite 3/4 ton being more suitable for my trailer's ~1000# tongue weight.
4. I will always choose highest horsepower and highest rear gear ratio available. This is another area where Ram seems to outperform everyone else.
5. Yes, I would consider an EV, if it actually looks and feels like a real pickup truck. When I see numbers like 1000 hp posted, I don't understand how you can't be interested in driving that. I am a founding member of the HA = "Horsepower Anonymous" support group. But I ain't paying $100k for a pickup truck, so that may be off the table, anyway.
6. Not interested in diesel. Slow, and unnecessarily expensive, when I never get more than 70k miles out of a truck before it's rusted thru.

I don't have a specific budget. But I don't like throwing away money on anything, so it's going to be a matter of seeing where the market is, and then choosing "good value" for my dollar.

If there's any truck of any series or brand available with a manual transmission, I'm probably buying that. If there's one thing I hate more than any other mechanical device on earth, it is the automatic transmission. But it needs to be 4wd extended cab, and capable of pulling my trailer at highway speed, so not a wimpy v6 configuration.

Thoughts? Recommendations?
If it's just the bed , why not just replace the bed? Most places that install utility beds are looking for some where to off load the original pickup bed. If the frames is gone , that's another story. Where are you located that 11 yrs and 52K miles destroys a vehicle?
 
/ Pick WinterDeere's next truck #166  
After three Rams, in the last 12 years (I put a lot of miles on them) I recently switched to a F150. It a 3.5L PowerBoost Full Hybrid. Its got a ton of torque and tows my 9,900 GVWR trailer with my tractor and bush hog with no problem. I've been very happy with it. The bed is made of aluminum so you won't have a rust issue. My son is currently driving a 2025 Ram and is having a lot of issues with it. In the last year, it's been at the dealership four times.
Neighbor had an F150 with the aluminum body. He went through the car wash and it literally ripped the antenna, with the mount, clean out of the fender leaving a sheet metal blowout.

Not a fan of aluminum body panels.

Mustangs had hoods made out of aluminum.. the front edges broke out in white corrosion and paint bubbling.
 
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I did not see any replies that included EVs so here goes. Currently we have three trucks. First up is a 2018 Ram 1500 Tradesman. I bought that because we needed a truck when we moved to the farm. It is basic but it is a great vehicle. This is a third vehicle for us, we dont drive it every day, but when we need the eight foot bed it is there for us.

In 2023 my wife wanted a new car and an EV. She bought a Rivian. It is very fancy. It has all the technology. It does all the truck stuff. But it has a very short bed. Service is a 90 mile drive, in Philadelphia you might be closer to a service center.

Last year I wanted a new vehicle. I saw on Carvana that they had taken in a fleet of used Silverado EVs. So I traded in for a one year old, 7000 mile truck for about $42k. I have been so happy with this truck. It is like the Ram only better in every way except bed length. Very basic but I drive it everywhere. It is tall but fits in parking garages in Atlanta and Athens. It has a stout, regular suspension. The back seat folds up for an outstanding storage area.

Not towing I have a 420 mile range. If you can install a 50 amp service outside charging overnight is easy. 80 amp would be better but I have not gotten around to that yet. Check your electric rates but I drive the EVs at about 5 cents per mile. The Ram was 18 cents per mile last time I calculated but likely closer to 25 cents today.

What about towing? I call the Massey dealer when I need service because he's cheaper than me buying a rig that would safely haul my tractor. But you can expect to lose about 50% range. Watch Aging Wheels on YouTube, Robert has several videos testing EV towing.

EVs are made with a good amount of aluminum and plastics so might be better for not rusting. Anyway, good luck on your truck buying journey!
I can't get past the electronics, computer, batteries and charges to even consider an EV. Sure ICE power today has a lot of computers and electronics and that 's already overload for me.

Cooling systems galore for the batteries.. pumps, fans, power supplies, drivers, poor winter battery performance.... nah..
 
/ Pick WinterDeere's next truck #168  
JUST SAY NO TO ANY 10 SPEED TRANSmission’s.
Do some research on 10 speed transmissions my experience and impression is that they all are a horrible as far as reliability and durability. Low quality materials used, and the wrong materials used in the wrong places too many gears and too small a case...
Just make sure you research transmissions first for their reliability and durability before you make your choice.
And obviously stay away from the GM 6.2 L that has the camshaft made in Mexico. They blow up sometimes before they even leave the lot when you buy it brand new.
Engine wise my impression is the coyote 5.0 L is a reliable well performing engine.
But I don’t know if you can buy a Ford truck with anything other than a 10 speed transmission days thank you to the café standards.
Neighbor bought a brand new GMC Duramax last year. Driving from East TX to the east coast trans went at 780 miles.
Later the A/C went out. He traded it in on a new one just like it but different color. Not sure what kind of deal he got but some people never learn.

That new 10-speed is used in both the Fords and the GMs. It's labeled an Allison but it's not an Allison. It is a "Certified" Allison which is some mumbo jumbo so they could paste that name on the truck and people get all buggy eyed LOL.

It's a joint venture design between Ford and GM.
From what I am reading it's a 100,000 mile trans.
 
/ Pick WinterDeere's next truck #169  
I've only had one trip in the last 25 years that was more than 20 miles with my 7k# trailer. I do longer trips with my boat trailers, but they're only 1000 - 1500 lb, and have relatively low drag due to the shape of a boat. Also, I never mind hooking the boat to my wife's Durango for longer trips, which is a 5.7L ICE.

I really don't expect range to be a big issue for me, with this vehicle. I used to do a lot of long driving trips, but almost always fly or take the train these days, if a driving trip is more than 250 miles each way.


I self-identify as "EV curious". :D But GM and their local dealerships left me with such disgust for them, after a prior ownership experience, that I have some trouble even looking at that bowtie badge without getting a little angry.

If that's the case let's do this thang. Go get you the Tesla Cybertruck and advertise your business on it. Wrap it in your favorite color. :)

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#170  
Put a new or good used box on it.
Given the depreciation rate of a new truck, you could make a good argument for this. But there are a few things going against this, as well:

1. I need something dead-reliable. When I need to meet a customer for a sales presentation or delivery on a big project, I just can't be calling to say my truck broke down. So I might be willing to stretch it another year or three with a new bed, but there's a limit to how long I'm going to keep any vehicle.

2. I was under there yesterday, chasing squirrel damage, and noticed frame is getting pretty rusty back near trailer hitch area. Also, exhaust looks like it's near end of life, despite being a new stainless steel Flowmaster system I installed in 2017. I guess "Stainless" doesn't include the welds and hangers.

3. If things progress like my prior truck, the doors on the cab probably aren't far behind the bed. Those snuck up on me last time, rusting thru from the inside to out, along the bottom edge of each door.

What's wrong with just keeping your current truck?
Everything you said about your old truck will happen to a new truck. Just keep what you have. Rusty vehicles have character, and the one thing they don't have is a big hit on the bank account.
1. I wouldn't trust these eye bolts to safely hold down any load. It is a legit safety issue.

2. I use the truck for most of my local business travel, and I can't be showing up at a customer's business or installation in a rusted-out truck. As much as I hate to admit it, image matters when customers are nervous about dropping big money on a new or unfamiliar vendor.

3. I have never saught the sort of "character" that rust adds. :p

Where are you located that 11 yrs and 52K miles destroys a vehicle?
Between Philly and Allentown. We only get maybe a half-dozen snow storms per year, often less than that, but constant rain/ice cycles that force them to salt the roads liberally and continually.
 
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Go WEST YOUNG MAN. I'd look in the SW area for a used truck. In 2012 I bought a like new 2004 Chevy 2500 Duramax 89K miles CC. In Phoenix, owner used it to tow his 5th wheel to Lake Havasu X2 every year. I used it for everyday truck use and towing a racecar trailer.
Took it back to Ohio drove it till it had 260K sold it in 2020 to my mechanic. Paid $18,900 sold for $11,000 expenses, TiresX3, Brakes 1, front hub brg.
 
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If that's the case let's do this thang. Go get you the Tesla Cybertruck and advertise your business on it. Wrap it in your favorite color. :)

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lol... I know they have their fans, but I've just never been one of them. I'd love to own a CT, but only if they re-did the whole body to look like a normal p/u truck.

And I have to admit, even though they claim to have fixed the issue with the trailer hitches falling off, I'm still leery of the long-term viability of a glued-on aluminum trailer hitch assembly in our high-salt corrosion-prone region of the country.
 
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Go WEST YOUNG MAN. I'd look in the SW area for a used truck. In 2012 I bought a like new 2004 Chevy 2500 Duramax 89K miles CC. In Phoenix, owner used it to tow his 5th wheel to Lake Havasu X2 every year. I used it for everyday truck use and towing a racecar trailer.
Took it back to Ohio drove it till it had 260K sold it in 2020 to my mechanic. Paid $18,900 sold for $11,000 expenses, TiresX3, Brakes 1, front hub brg.
At the prices I see them advertising for used trucks these days, I think I'll probably just go new. I've been bitten before, buying sight-unseen, and by the time I add in the expense and time of traveling to see a vehicle, I feel I'm already either committed to buy or undoing most of the potential savings over buying new.
 
/ Pick WinterDeere's next truck #174  
As others have pointed no one is offering a manual transmission in a half ton or three quarter/one ton pickup (none in full-size SUVs that could be used for towing either). Based on your stated preferences and use case I would recommend three potential options that have different pricing and purchasing effort levels.

1. Source a 2001 to 2006 Chevy/GMC 2500 with the 6.0L V8 gas engine from the south or southwest. This is likely to cost $10k to $20k plus shipping. Then pay a reputable shop to swap in the manual transmission that was originally offered, as well as refresh the suspension and possibly upgrade the engine as well. While a 3/4 ton, the GMs from this era had a lower overall height and should still fit in all the parking garages you need. Stock the 6.0 only has 300hp but has a lot of options depending on how much you want to spend. Here is an example starting truck: 2006 Chevy 2500 Extended Cab - $18,000 - Dallas TX
Transmission: Manual
Horsepower: 300 to 450
Cost: $25k to $50k
Effort: High

2. Shop southern states for a 2 to 4 year old F150 with the max tow package and less than 50,000 miles. This will let someone else take the initial depreciation hit on a truck that you do not put that many miles on and a southern truck will not have started rusting. Watching for the larger towing mirrors is not a guarantee but does help in finding trucks with the max tow package and low rear end gearing. Both the 3.5L V6 Ecoboost and the 5.0 V8 have 400 hp with the ecoboost having 500 lb*ft of torque while the V8 has 410 lb*ft. Here is an example: 2022 Ford F150 Extended Cab - $40,200 - 41k miles - New Smyrna Beach, FL
Transmission: Automatic
Horsepower: 400
Cost: ~$45k
Effort: Moderate

3. Order a new Ram (Dodge) 1500. You have a great dealer, you know you like the controls/interface, and they offer the 540 horsepower high output hurricane I6 engine. Unfortunately you can only get the HO engine in the top couple trim levels so that both pushes up the price and cuts into the payload numbers with the extra luxury features. Off a lot you are likely looking at $85k to $95k but you can likely order one with the features you want for ~$75k.
2026 Ram 1500 Tungsten - $92,000
Transmission: Automatic
Horsepower: 540
Cost: ~$80k
Effort: Low

In previous years Ford offered the high output version of the Ecoboost in either the Limited or Platinum trim. Currently you have to move to the Raptor or Raptor R to get the highest horsepower options, and those are both poor choices for your use (softer suspension which is not as good for towing, taller, and wider as well, plus a significant price increase). One other option could be to order an F150 with the engine, gearing, and features you want which would get you the aluminum body in a new truck, but given your dealer situation I would rather buy a 2 or 3 year old southern truck.
 
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What good is a manual transmission on a truck that lasts for only 52K miles and 11 years? I know that brand loyalty is a thing, but that truck rammed you sans lube, man...
 
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What good is a manual transmission on a truck that lasts for only 52K miles and 11 years? I know that brand loyalty is a thing, but that truck rammed you sans lube, man...
lol... well-put!

But in fairness, the truck is not ready for the scrap yard. Some kid looking for a cheap truck is going to throw a flatbed on this thing, and get many more years of service out of it, with the usual spat of increasing yearly repairs. I'm just not that kid, anymore. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Really? The internet isn't exactly filled with people irate over their new Ford trucks. Of course there are a few here in there for any brand, but overall... what am I missing?
Ford did have issues with the ten speeds. Clunky and an above average total failure. My understanding is they improved them a few years ago and they are more reliable.
 
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Lots of talk about eight speed and 10 speed autos, as if I don't already own three (yes.: three!) ZF8’s. They are indeed great transmissions, but I still hate driving auto, especially on snow or ice.

I'll buy auto if it's the only option, my current half ton has a ZF8. But if manual is an option, I will almost always ignore almost every other pro/con, and choose the manual over anything with auto.

And I've also owned diesels, and have zero interest in ever owning another. Slow, slow, slow. I'm not putting enough miles on this vehicle, or hauling anything heavy enough frequently enough, to ever see any advantage to diesel. Also, half our stations around here don't even carry diesel, what a stupid hassle to sign yourself up for that, if you're not hauling heavy trailers everyday.

If I could design my own truck, it would be a 1/2 ton 4x4 with beefed up rear suspension, 6.4L Hemi, manual transmission, and 4:1 diff's. But no one is making that! :ROFLMAO:
I’d love a regular cab, aluminum body, C channel frame Silverado with a 5.3 sans AFM, 5 speed with 2 speed T case, and a bench. A heavy half that’ll go 300,000 like it should.

Alas, if only Generally Maligned would listen…
 
/ Pick WinterDeere's next truck #179  
Yet another truck has rusted out on me, this time 11 years. Bed walls are bulging due to delamination behind spray-on liner, and eye bolts are just falling out. But outer body still looks presentable... maybe it won't totally kill me on trade-in. Truck has 52k miles.

I've been a "Ram guy" the last 20 years, for one reason: Ram offered manual transmission with a V8 and extended cab, while no other brand did. Now that's gone away, so I have less reason to stay with Ram, although I will admit they've been the most reliable trucks I've ever owned... rust aside. I've also grown to like the feel and controls of them, in fact we have three Dodge's in the garage right now.

The requirements:

1. Must be 4wd. My primary use of this vehicle is "bad weather days", when I don't want to drive my sports car or sedan in snow and salt. I also take it off-road several times per year, mostly when pulling a trailer.
2. Must have integrated trailer brake system, and will favor highest tow rating. I use this truck for pulling a 7k# trailer loaded with logs or tractor over hilly terrain and offroad.
3. Would favor lower roof height, as I also take this vehicle into old parking garages in Philly, where roof clearance is a constant issue. This is the sole reason I've been buying 1/2 ton trucks, despite 3/4 ton being more suitable for my trailer's ~1000# tongue weight.
4. I will always choose highest horsepower and highest rear gear ratio available. This is another area where Ram seems to outperform everyone else.
5. Yes, I would consider an EV, if it actually looks and feels like a real pickup truck. When I see numbers like 1000 hp posted, I don't understand how you can't be interested in driving that. I am a founding member of the HA = "Horsepower Anonymous" support group. But I ain't paying $100k for a pickup truck, so that may be off the table, anyway.
6. Not interested in diesel. Slow, and unnecessarily expensive, when I never get more than 70k miles out of a truck before it's rusted thru.

I don't have a specific budget. But I don't like throwing away money on anything, so it's going to be a matter of seeing where the market is, and then choosing "good value" for my dollar.

If there's any truck of any series or brand available with a manual transmission, I'm probably buying that. If there's one thing I hate more than any other mechanical device on earth, it is the automatic transmission. But it needs to be 4wd extended cab, and capable of pulling my trailer at highway speed, so not a wimpy v6 configuration.

Thoughts? Recommendations?
Don't count out v6s. I have a 2018 3.5l v6 ecoboost F-150 with hp and lower rpm torque curve than most 350 v8s. Towing capacity of 13,000 lbs. I have no problem keeping to highway speed with my 9800# Sundance fifth wheel behind me. It has an aluminum body which won't have a rust problem. I do wish I'd bought a longer body instead of the short bed. I had to add an extension to add 10" to the fifth wheel kingpin for turning radius. Please check on the specs of the newer 3.5l ecoboost engine.
 
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I've only had one trip in the last 25 years that was more than 20 miles with my 7k# trailer. I do longer trips with my boat trailers, but they're only 1000 - 1500 lb, and have relatively low drag due to the shape of a boat. Also, I never mind hooking the boat to my wife's Durango for longer trips, which is a 5.7L ICE.

I really don't expect range to be a big issue for me, with this vehicle. I used to do a lot of long driving trips, but almost always fly or take the train these days, if a driving trip is more than 250 miles each way.


I self-identify as "EV curious". :D But GM and their local dealerships left me with such disgust for them, after a prior ownership experience, that I have some trouble even looking at that bowtie badge without getting a little angry.

When casually or accidentally coming across threads on this forum and elsewhere, I come across a lot of Dodge and Ford fanboys, but most stories evoking GM are those of pure ownership frustration. Maybe I'm reading with a bias due to my own experience, or just lucking into the wrong stories, but that's been my impression.

I love the Rivian trucks, but more as a daily runabout than a tow vehicle. They just look way too small in front of a big trailer, to where I think side view mirrors don't even stick out far enough to see trailer fenders or rear wheels on our too-narrow PA back roads.
If you can get past the dealer issue, GM products are worth a look. Nothing but GM products since 1993. Multiple 1500 and 2500 trucks, SUVs and a few cars for the kids when they were growing up. Never had any issues with warranty work. All mine go to the dealer for service work. Current fleet is my 2024 Yukon Denali, the wife's 2025 Tahoe High Country, and a 3500HD Denali DRW for towing. All have 10 speeds, 2 Duramax diesels and the 6.2L in the Tahoe. I have an excellent dealer and salesperson.

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