Horsepower v. Woodchipper

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nortonbyk

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I have a 2014 Kubota B2620 which I bought new when I retired to a 40 acre wooded property in Missouri. It has been invaluable in maintaining the property as you all can attest to. One thing I am not familiar with is how engine horsepower compares to PTO hp. I ask because I'm considering buying a PTO powered woodchipper. There are no hydraulics to the rear of the machine. Also, why is 540rpm a magic number for the PTO and is that engine rpm or PTO shaft rpm? And how can I measure that? Thanks.
 
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Pto hp is generally a few hp less than rated engine power.

540 rpm is the speed of the pto, and is what your attachments were designed to run at. Most tractors have a mark on the tach indicating what engine rpm produces a 540 rpm pto speed.
 
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You have about 25HP engine HP on that tractor and about 19 HP at the PTO shaft. You check these specs on sites like TractorData.

540RPM was just a number that stuck back then, when tractors started to have a PTO shaft and ended up becoming the standard. Most likely had to do with the getting the most out of the engines available back then.

There should be a mark on the tachometer indicating where you should have the engine RPM to achieve the 540RPM at the PTO. I assume it will be around 2500/2600 engine RPM.
 
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I use to run a Jinma 6in chipper on my B2620, it handled it OK, just have to watch how big the branches were and how fast you fed it. A hydraulic feeder would have been better so I could slow down the feed rate.
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/ Horsepower v. Woodchipper #7  
Salesmen like to talk big numbers, so they usually use the gross HP which is what the naked motor (no fan, radiator, alternator, etc.) will produce in a test stand. Net HP is what is available at the flywheel after all that aforementioned stuff is added. There are further losses in the transmissions (hydro being less efficient than gear) hydraulic pumps, etc. PTO HP is the power available to do work at the PTO and is the most important and invariably is less.

Manufacturers of chippers usually specify a range of PTO HP desirable to run their chippers. The low number may be a little optimistic; the high number probably allows continuous feeding. Another factor is the chipper flywheel weight. "Better" chippers (Wallenstein, Salsco, Valby, et al) likely have heavier flywheels that can store more energy than lesser machines. As a retiree you may be willing to feed more slowly or wait while the engine builds up speed after it has bogged down. Gravity-fed chippers are more efficient than hydraulically-fed chippers as there is no hydraulic mechanism to suck more power. Read many of the threads about chippers on this forum to get some feel as to the religious arguments about the merits of both types of feed and their effects on the person operating the chipper. Yet another factor is the feed (not the hopper) opening. My tractor is at the lower end of the recommended power for my chipper's size, but I can feed crooks, forks, and knotty branches through the large opening and am willing to let the engine recover if it bogs down.

Diligent reading of many of the chipper threads will reveal many anecdotes of advantages and problems; read a lot of the threads to get an adequate sample.
 
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Thank you all for your answers. I did read many of the chipper discussions. It goes from a routine operation to downright scary. I don't want to damage the tractor or me. I'm a stickler for safety. I haven't decided on a chipper brand yet. I should probably buy extra shear pins and blades. Again, this forum is awesome.
 
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My Kubota M6040 reads pto rotation as a digital display on the tach when the pto is engaged. I get 540 rpm at 2160 rpms. My Wallenstein BX62S has a flywheel that weighs - 200#.

There is seldom a need for a heavier flywheel because -

1 - I'm limited to 6" diameter material. What this chipper is designed to handle.
2 - I have only Ponderosa pines and they are a very soft wood
3 - believe me I've tried. I simply can not lift a 8" by 30' pine - drag it out a pile of other fallen
pines and up into my chipper. Every two or three years I will thin many of my pine stands on my property. Ends up looking like a giants game of Pick-Up-Sticks. Shin scabs are
the rule of the day when dragging fallen pine to the chipping pile.

Just make sure all components are properly connected - all shields are in place - wear gloves - keep your long sleeve shirts tight at the cuff. Do not let the "inexperienced" work around the chipper without proper instruction.
 
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Choosing a chipper is more challenging than I thought. I'm trying to stay within a budget of $2200-$3000. With hp considerations, 3-pt lifting power, chipper flywheel weight, and parts availability, there is a lot to consider. Has anyone here have experience with Titan chippers? They have a unit on sale that meets my criteria.
 
/ Horsepower v. Woodchipper #11  
It's close to 28-2900, you'll see an orange mark on the tach.
Wow, that's high. It's right around 2200 on my Kioti.

Speaking of PTO RPM, mine can either do 540 or 1000-ish. Is the higher RPM used in other countries?
 
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Choosing a chipper is more challenging than I thought. I'm trying to stay within a budget of $2200-$3000. With hp considerations, 3-pt lifting power, chipper flywheel weight, and parts availability, there is a lot to consider. Has anyone here have experience with Titan chippers? They have a unit on sale that meets my criteria.
If this is the one you are looking at, it is basically a clone of the Wallenstein BX42 which several of us on here have. Mech Maxx also sells a BX42 clone.
I like mine very much. It is simple, rugged, easy to work on and does a decent job. Does not have power feed, but self-feeds fairly well when knives are sharp.
 
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Yep. That's the one. The Woodmax MX-8500G and Woodland Mills TFG55 PTO and that Wallenstein BX42S look like they all fit the bill, also. Thanks.
 
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Yep. That's the one. The Woodmax MX-8500G and Woodland Mills TFG55 PTO and that Wallenstein BX42S look like they all fit the bill, also. Thanks.
For the record, I've been running a BX42 on 21 PTO HP for years and it works well for up to about 3" branches. Soft wood you can run up to 4" through it.
 
 

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