Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

[rontaki]

What I found once I built a truck several months ago is that you no longer are able to order it. Rather, they will "find you something nearby."
Their offerings may or may not be close to what you are looking for. If you asked for a extended cab 6 cyl 4x4 it'll give you both body styles, 4 as well as 6 cylinder, and certainly no regard to color or other options you chose.
That's not exclusive to Nissan, they all do it. It's pretty much a waste of time.

"Just hand over yer cash and be happy. We quit caring about you, get over it."

 

[ultrarunner]

What I found once I built a truck several months ago is that you no longer are able to order it. Rather, they will "find you something nearby."
Their offerings may or may not be close to what you are looking for. If you asked for a extended cab 6 cyl 4x4 it'll give you both body styles, 4 as well as 6 cylinder, and certainly no regard to color or other options you chose.
That's not exclusive to Nissan, they all do it. It's pretty much a waste of time.

Had this often… but if timing is right and willing to wait a factory order is the way to go.

Last factory order was Super Duty F250 and before a factory delivery BMW and prior factory order and build watch 2001 Corolla S.

Was able to see Corolla being made which for a car person is a great experience.

The Super Duty was the easiest… dealer said special orders are almost all trucks.

Tge BMW was hard… 5 dealers did everything to have me buy off the lot… they did not understand I needed a car in Germany!

 

[paulsharvey]

So, Here is one in Jacksonville, at the dealer, extended, 4x4, 2025, at $31,749

 

[Oaktree]

How much more power did the diesel have than the standard 4 banger? I wouldn't wish a chevette with the gas 4 on anyone. I drove my sisters going up and down the hills on I30 in Arkansas when was 19 or so. I had to get up to 75 plus going down the hill or I would hit 40 going up the next one. Never again.

To be fair, nobody else's 4 banger econoboxes of that era were much better. I traveled a lot for my job in the 70s/80s and drove a LOT of rental cars, few impressed me much.

 

[Oaktree]

So, I guess a better way to say it "How cheap would an absolutely bare bones truck have to be for You to actually buy it new, right now".

What i mean, lets say, a Ford Ranger/S10 type truck, 2.2L Na, 85hp/100ft lbs; vinyl bench, crank windows, AM radio, no cruise, stick or auto; 1 cup holder (maybe), 2 wd. If that was on the dealer lots, for $25k; you buying? What about $20k? (Modeling of a 1995 Dakota i had)

You lost me with 2WD, where I live 4WD is a must. A wimpy 85 hp engine isn't gonna cut it either. Other than that, I'd be fine with it. Well, nothing worth listening to on AM anymore, so I'd want a stereo that could play from a flashdrive.

OTOH, I've kind of gotten spoiled by my Colorado. Some of the features I never use...heated seats/steering wheel, appleplay, Sirius, Onstar, etc. It's just old enough (2019) where the infotainment screen hasn't taken over the dash.

Is that 4wd? I am pondering an upgrade, and Nissan seems to be the only mid sized left with a V-6.
Or an extended vs double cab

From what I've read, they're the 3rd best selling less-than-fullsize truck even thoguh I hardly ever see any on the road. Our mail lady seems to like hers.

 

[paulsharvey]

You lost me with 2WD, where I live 4WD is a must. A wimpy 85 hp engine isn't gonna cut it either. Other than that, I'd be fine with it. Well, nothing worth listening to on AM anymore, so I'd want a stereo that could play from a flashdrive.

OTOH, I've kind of gotten spoiled by my Colorado. Some of the features I never use...heated seats/steering wheel, appleplay, Sirius, Onstar, etc. It's just old enough (2019) where the infotainment screen hasn't taken over the dash.


From what I've read, they're the 3rd best selling less-than-fullsize truck even thoguh I hardly ever see any on the road. Our mail lady seems to like hers.

That's kinda my point. Even if we upgrade from the base model, 1990 S10, to the 4wd; MSRP is $12,830. Without AC, thats a tough sell, even at 1990 price. BTW, I was wrong, the 1990 S10 had 94 hp...

It looks like the 90 model did come with ABS standard, and Power steering; but even an AM radio was an optional upgrade


BTW; if we just run straight Gov inflation, thats $30,838 in 2024 USD; and we gained over 200 hp, AC, radio, air bags, cruise control, cloth seats, power windows, back up cameras, in our Nissan. We also very very likely reduced our maintenance costs, gained fuel economy (i assume), ect

Edit: we went from 19 mpg hwy with our 94hp S10 to 21 mph hwy with our 310 hp Frontier

 

[paulsharvey]

Im running Nissian vs, because I think they are the closest to a "base" truck available at this current time; not cause I love nissian (im neutral).
I dont think a Colorado vs S10 is as fair

 

[John0829]

I dont think a Colorado vs S10 is as fair

I agree, maybe when the Colorado name badge was first introduced it MIGHT have been a closer comparison between them but now days the Colorado I a WAY bigger truck than the S10 ever was. BTW I had two S series trucks and loved them both for light hauling and as my daily drivers.

 

[ultrarunner]

That's kinda my point. Even if we upgrade from the base model, 1990 S10, to the 4wd; MSRP is $12,830. Without AC, thats a tough sell, even at 1990 price. BTW, I was wrong, the 1990 S10 had 94 hp...

It looks like the 90 model did come with ABS standard, and Power steering; but even an AM radio was an optional upgrade


BTW; if we just run straight Gov inflation, thats $30,838 in 2024 USD; and we gained over 200 hp, AC, radio, air bags, cruise control, cloth seats, power windows, back up cameras, in our Nissan. We also very very likely reduced our maintenance costs, gained fuel economy (i assume), ect

Edit: we went from 19 mpg hwy with our 94hp S10 to 21 mph hwy with our 310 hp Frontier

I had a 1991 S10 V6 long bed with A/C, stereo but 2wd.

It was a pretty good truck but did have repairs… the cluster started having problems at 28,000 miles and later had to replace sending unit and fuel pump… rode nice but the mpg was very close to my 5.7 91 Silverado.

As I could not trust the instrument cluster I added a mechanical temp gauge which was spot on and verified the truck never overheated.

 

[newbury]

A guy I worked with drove a diesel Rabbit until he just wore it slap out, unbelievable mpg and he drove it hard. Just like a Timex it kept on tickin

I had a 79 diesel rabbit, routinely got 50+mpg around town, occasionally 65 on long trips.

So Toyoda pricing here (relatively) doesn't look that bad..... what limits them is Towing. I was surprised that the Sequoia has a higher tow-rating than the Tundra now, by about 800# in the model I'd pick. Tundra is a tick over 8000#, which is plenty for many personal-use applications, but obviously not tri-axle floats, loaded anyway....

Rgds, D.

I don't know about the "Toyoda" but the Toyota Tundra can be rated for over 10K, which I consider a decent tick over 8,000 lbs.

The maximum towing capacity for a modern Toyota Tundra is up to 12,000 pounds, achieved with the standard i-FORCE 3.4L Twin-Turbo V6 engine, a 6.5-foot bed, and a rear-wheel-drive configuration, typically on the SR5 Double Cab model. Models with the i-FORCE MAX hybrid powertrain have a slightly lower maximum towing capacity of around 11,450 pounds. Towing capacities vary by year, configuration, and engine, so it's essential to check the specific ratings for your vehicle

per google of toyota tundra tow capacity

 

[ruffdog]

I had a fairly basic 2007 Ford Ranger XL that had a MSRP of $18555. In todays dollars that would be $29000.

 

[3930dave]

Couldn't take the screenshot I wanted, now stuck in bold..... Towing @ very bottom of clip below (just under 8300#, with a dagger-note - haven't tried a build, perhaps a Tow pkg is avail here for more capacity ?). Mebbe Kanuck # are heavier ?

'yoda, was the founding-family's actual name (sloppy clipping, from Wikipedia)

Rgds, D.

Tundra CrewMax SR
$62,703.58​

Safety & Convenience
Convenience
Power Door Locks
12Volt Accessory Power Outlet
Smart Key w/Push Button Start + Tailgate
Safety
Roll-Sensing Front Head/Side Curtain Airbags
Child Protector Rear Door Locks
Front Seat Side Airbags
Driver and Front Passenger Knee Airbags
Driver & Passenger Airbag Supplemental Restraint System (SRS)
Driver & Passenger Side B-Pillar Assist Grip, Passenger Side A-Pillar Assist Grip
Backup Camera with Back Guide Monitor
Multi-Terrain Monitor
Intuitive Parking Assist with Auto Braking
Blind Spot Monitoring with RCTA
Security
Anti-Theft Alarm System
Star Safety System
Star Safety System: Smart Stop Technology (SST)
Star Safety System: Vehicle Stability Control (VSC)
Star Safety System: Anti-lock Brake System (ABS)
Star Safety System: Traction Control (TRAC)
Star Safety System: Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD)
Star Safety System: Brake Assist (BA)
Toyota Safety Sense 2.5
Automatic High Beam (AHB)
Sway Warning System
Lane Tracing Assist
Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist
Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC)
Left Turn Oncoming Vehicle Detection/Braking
Right/Left Turn Oncoming Pedestrian Detection/Braking
Pre-Collision System (PCS)
Warning
Low Washer Fluid Warning
Tire Pressure Monitoring System with Auto Location
Infotainment
Audio
USB Input/Charging Port
Toyota Multimedia
Wireless Apple CarPlay Compatibility
Wireless Android Auto Compatibility
Bluetooth Capability
Toyota Assistant
9 Speakers
HD Radio
SiriusXM Audio
8" Toyota Multimedia w/ Service/Safety Connect (up to 10yr trial), Remote Con.(3yr trial), Drive Con. capable (Sub. Required)
14'' Toyota Multimedia w/ Service/Safety Connect (up to 10yr trial),Remote Con.(3yr trial), Drive Con. capable (Sub. Required)
Dimensions
Dimensions
Transmission	Automatic
Drivetrain	4WD
Number Cylinders	6
Body Type	PU
Horsepower (kW)	358 (267)
Fuel Capacity litres (gal.)	122 (32)
Fuel Consumption - City/Highway/Combined L/100km	13.7/10.8/12.4
Fuel Consumption - City/Highway/Combined mpg	21/26/23
Length mm (in.)	5932 (233.5)
Width mm (in.)	2032 (80)
Height mm (in.)	1984 (78.1)
Wheelbase mm (in.)	3701 (145.7)
Ground Clearance mm (in.)	279 (11)
Seating Capacity	5
Total Number of Airbags	8
Front Headroom mm (in.)	1042 (41)
Rear Headroom mm (in.)	978 (38.5)
Front Legroom mm (in.)	1047 (41.2)
Rear Legroom mm (in.)	1057 (41.6)
Front Shoulder Room mm (in.)	1651 (65)
Rear Shoulder Room mm (in.)	1585 (62.4)
Cargo Bed Length mm (in.)	1677 (66)
Gross Vehicle Weight kg (lbs.)	3270.4 (7210)
Towing Capacity kg (lbs.)†	3760 (8289)

 

[Jstpssng]

It looks like the 90 model did come with ABS standard, and Power steering; but even an AM radio was an optional upgrade

I believe that was rear wheel ABS only, which was the same as having no brakes in snowy conditions.

My Colorado has about the same footprint as my old '84 F150 and weighs about 460lbs more. (4300 vs 4760)
Likely the extra weight is from the extended cab, 4WD... and a little more on me than 40 years ago.

 

[RB5]

I had an 85 s10 extended cab with the v6. I was able to get 25 - 26 mpg on the highway. That was the main reason I went with the smaller truck. It had a/c and no stereo and rubber floor, which I prefer over carpet. I added a nice after market sound system. The first time I carried a load in it and tied a loop in the rope to pull it tight against the front of the bed I bent the front of the bed. The early edition of ABS and the crummy uniroyal tiger paw radials barely stopped the truck in an emergency. I know one wreck I had was due to this combo not stopping the truck. I had another wreck as well that likely would have been prevented with the after market tires I put on later. Those tires actually gripped the road. The ABS brakes in that thing would pulse and not lock up. After I replaced the tires it rode and handled much better. The v6 was supposed to run on regular unleaded, but it clattered every time I went up a hill unless I had premium in it. I towed a 15' skeeter with a 60 horse Merc on it. It was not that heavy and it towed ok. I don't miss most of the 70s and 80s vehicles that tried to reduce weight and get higher mpg's by using under powered engines. To be fair I had a full size chevy 10 rental with a regular cab and 8 foot bed one time when my S10 was in the shop. I'd always had chevy trucks to that point. The ride on that truck was terrible. The back end was so light that it was bouncy without a load. I previously had a Big10 that I really liked, but those 2 got me away from Chevy.

 

[paulsharvey]

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[RB5]

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No, but in 86 I could get a chicken fried steak and 2 made from scratch vegetables for $2.75 at the local beer and liquor store that had a kitchen serving lunch.

 

[Hay Dude]

No, but in 86 I could get a chicken fried steak and 2 made from scratch vegetables for $2.75 at the local beer and liquor store that had a kitchen serving lunch.

You got Brisket & Shiner Bock down there, too.
I was down Texas a couple years ago for a few days and came home 5 pounds heavier.

I’m afraid to move down south. I’d eat myself to 300 pound with all that good food.

 

[paulsharvey]

I know this is likely a generation thing; but just before the world ended in the great apocalypse in 2008, I think we kinda peaked in trucks. Then, we had about 8 years of something, and then maybe 2015-18, things started moving forward again.

So, my 2005 Chevy 2500HD, 6.0, 4x4, extended, with CD player, power seats, power windows, and crusie; I paid $33.5k (maybe it was $35?) for. If that same truck was available, for the same money, I would absolutely consider it. I would add aftermarket (but not rigged up) back up camera; maybe a hardwired, (again not rigged up) power inverter. Maybe some if that is rose colored glasses though.

When I look at early/mid 90s trucks I've driven, none where something i would seek out again.

Too add, most of the early-mid 90s trucks ive used have been F150s (couple Dakota too), but largely work trucks, of one form or another. So, that influences my thoughts too; and those reg cab, vinyl benchs were not something built for hours of sitting.

 

[RB5]

You got Brisket & Shiner Bock down there, too.
I was down Texas a couple years ago for a few days and came home 5 pounds heavier.

I’m afraid to move down south. I’d eat myself to 300 pound with all that good food.

Don't forget the beef ribs. I have a pit made from a 120 gallon propane tank. It does a good job on the briskets and ribs. I also have a smaller pit that was my dad's. One time my wife and her brother and sister in law went to the casino while I stayed home by myself and ran the smaller smoker. I cooked pork ribs, chicken, sausage, pork chops, and I can't remember if it was a pork butt or something else. Might have been a brisket. Every time something got done I would eat and toss more meat in the pit. By the time the last of it was done I'd had enough. I probably ate 3 pounds of smoked meat while they were gone. They feasted when they got back. I'd weigh much more than 300 if I still ate like that.

 

[Renze]

I highly doubt that ^ from GM was what the powertrain chief-engineer wanted to do, but it likely hit the price point GM wanted. Unfortunately, didn't help the image and confidence that N. American consumers had in light-diesels.

I think this is the reason that many Americans think an inline 6 is so much sturdier than a V8: GM Oldsmobile 88 5.7 diesel, the 6.5, Cummins V8 diesels, were all low budget high rpm engines, often sleeveless.

Ford could have picked the Navistar DT360 instead of the which is very similar to the BTA5.9... GM rebadged International DT466 too as Detroit series 40..