Attaching pto implements

[ptsg]

Read a bunch of similar posts.
Tried it. Doesn't turn.
The shaft turns only about half an inch and when I let go off it, it turns back the same half inch, like spring loaded. Not enough time and hard to hold with one hand while trying to pull back the collar and push the implement side on. Impossible with just 2 hands.

I wish there was a way to make the pto go into "neutral" so I could spin it by hand.

Tractor off, in neutral, level ground and all that. Nothing seems to work. If the implement side can be turned, I rotate its pto shaft, most you can't turn, too difficult. So then I'm stuck playing with the pto switch and turning the main shaft until the implement side lines up and can be pushed on.
This is same regardless if button or collar.
It's extremely aggravating. The shaft is greased up and slippery, plus you dont have much room to get close to it with the shield in the way and all the arms.

I wish they would design a simpler and easier way to hook things up to the pto. It's a major pia for me every time. I dread switching out the implements

Your tractor uses a wet clutch for the PTO with a spring loaded brake. Once the PTO is off, the spring loaded brake kicks in and keeps the PTO from spinning. It will still turn half a turn or so by hand by that's it.

For some reason, they removed the 2nd PTO speed for the US models, meaning it's always in gear. While the EU and AU models get 2 PTO speeds with a Neutral in between that lets the PTO shaft free spin at all times.

 

[Cycledude]

I haven’t needed to be able to turn the PTO shaft on my LS tractor in order to hookup a PTO but after reading so many folks saying they could turn theirs I went out to the shop to try it, mine won’t turn, you can feel the normal slop in the gears but you definitely can’t turn it far enough to make it easier to hookup a PTO shaft.

I’m going to start paying a little more attention to that possibly when walking through tractors sitting on lots.

My 8N Ford PTO is very easy to turn by hand and there is no guard in the way to make it a little more difficult.

 

[tradosaurus]

After I hook my rotary cutter to the quick hitch I then make sure the shaft of the rotary cutter is about level with the PTO of the tractor.
I then place the end of the shaft on the PTO (without pulling back on the "ears" of the shaft) until it just slips on.
Then I pull the ears back on the shaft and slide it the rest of the way on the PTO until it clicks.

 

[grsthegreat]

Read a bunch of similar posts.
Tried it. Doesn't turn.
The shaft turns only about half an inch and when I let go off it, it turns back the same half inch, like spring loaded. Not enough time and hard to hold with one hand while trying to pull back the collar and push the implement side on. Impossible with just 2 hands.

I wish there was a way to make the pto go into "neutral" so I could spin it by hand.

Tractor off, in neutral, level ground and all that. Nothing seems to work. If the implement side can be turned, I rotate its pto shaft, most you can't turn, too difficult. So then I'm stuck playing with the pto switch and turning the main shaft until the implement side lines up and can be pushed on.
This is same regardless if button or collar.
It's extremely aggravating. The shaft is greased up and slippery, plus you dont have much room to get close to it with the shield in the way and all the arms.

I wish they would design a simpler and easier way to hook things up to the pto. It's a major pia for me every time. I dread switching out the implemen

Read a bunch of similar posts.
Tried it. Doesn't turn.
The shaft turns only about half an inch and when I let go off it, it turns back the same half inch, like spring loaded. Not enough time and hard to hold with one hand while trying to pull back the collar and push the implement side on. Impossible with just 2 hands.

I wish there was a way to make the pto go into "neutral" so I could spin it by hand.

Tractor off, in neutral, level ground and all that. Nothing seems to work. If the implement side can be turned, I rotate its pto shaft, most you can't turn, too difficult. So then I'm stuck playing with the pto switch and turning the main shaft until the implement side lines up and can be pushed on.
This is same regardless if button or collar.
It's extremely aggravating. The shaft is greased up and slippery, plus you dont have much room to get close to it with the shield in the way and all the arms.

I wish they would design a simpler and easier way to hook things up to the pto. It's a major pia for me every time. I dread switching out the implements

Recheck post #19, use an overrunning clutch. Cheap device that will solve all your issues. They carry them on amazon, tractor supply, etc.

 

[Santa Craig Cringle]

Shut off the tractor. You then should be able to rotate the PTO shaft to line up.

I thought I was the only one to shut off the tractor when connecting the PTO. I do it for safety purposes. I could just disengage the PTO but why risk it?

 

[BackRoad]

Funny how I think of this thread everytime I hook up an implement now...

 

[CalG]

Every tractor I ever operated, at least modern ones, all have pto stubs that will turn at least 1/4 turn freewheel to align the splines. Both my Kubota's turn a full 1/2 turn, but in reality, 1/4 turn should be enough. They all freewheel like that today.

Being a 6 spline,

360 divided by 6 = 60 degrees.
divided by 2=30 degrees.. and one spline can never be more than 1/2 off from mating.

Yep! 30 degrees +/- should cover it. ;-)

 

[WinterDeere]

Being a 6 spline,

360 divided by 6 = 60 degrees.
divided by 2=30 degrees.. and one spline can never be more than 1/2 off from mating.

Yep! 30 degrees +/- should cover it. ;-)

It's so hard to argue with basic arithmetic.

 

[shooterdon]

It's so hard to argue with basic arithmetic.

Math is racist….didn’t you get the memo?

 

[tradosaurus]

Recheck post #19, use an overriding clutch. Cheap device that will solve all your issues. They carry them on amazon, tractor supply, etc.

Since no one else will explain it, for those, like myself, who have no clue what an overriding clutch is and why you need it, this video explains it.

Sounds like its only needed for older tractors that have a clutch that when pushed in doesn't disengage the PTO, where having a rotary cutter can still be engaged and push the tractor forward.
Also the overriding clutch will extend the PTO shaft which may cause issue with extra length.