Towing 10.1K with either Toyota Tundra SR5 OR F150 which is better?

[RjCorazza]

Oh, I don't disagree. I had to work really hard to get a full tank of 15 mpg in my '03 2500HD (6.0L LQ4), usually it was 12-13mpg. But now I have a 2019 F150 that effortlessly gets 19-20 mpg even if I accelerate like mad every now and then. Even a new chevy/GMC with the 5.3L and 10-spd will hit 20mpg pretty easily. The bar has been raised.

I picked up a used SCT tuner for my F150... +100 HP with the push of a button (and tank of premium fuel). Haven't hit the button yet... but it's only a matter of time. Plenty of new 3.5L Ecoboost F150s are running high 12s/low 13s in the 1/4 mile with only basic mods. Extremely powerful motor in a lightweight, aluminum body truck. And 10 speed trans that doesn't mind banging fast shifts all day long.

I literally just programmed my F250 with SCT X4 tuner. Not as brave as real tuning though... I just wanted the stupid TPMS set for my load range E tires, the factory setting of 65 psi front and rear was killing me.

 

[Farmer495]

I know a lot of guys with F250's that look nicer than, but also do a lot less towing than, my 1500 Outdoorsman. Most of them have a hitch in the receiver that never gets used, and a pair of shackles hanging either side of it... just to make their truck look a little tougher.

Here it is the 0" drop "Triple Ball" that allows you to tow anything (but never do) Stays in the truck permanently. Bonus points if it has the tow hook(also unused) and chrome.

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

It's interesting that you think I'm mad; that's just one of many assumptions you make in your long-winded, incoherent rant. It's a shame too, because you make some good points, but they get lost in the sauce.

How are you going to try to **** on Kubota when you have no understanding of Japanese agriculture?

Me saying that the Japanese economy wouldn't sell enough Kubotas locally to support themselves as a business is me **** on Kubota? I lived in Okinawa for 3.5 years.

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Toyota has consistently had better reliability than the big 3. Your anecdotes are like a gambler arguing that because someone won the lottery that everyone should gamble.

Why, because Toyota people say so? I've had way better reliability from my American vehicles than my Japanese one. (All Honda, and no Toyotas though) My boss bought a brand new, first year GEN2 Tundra, and had to replace 3 wheel bearings in the first year. When I asked if it was all the same wheel bearing, just improper installation, the answer was, "no it was the bearings on 2 different wheels." Kind of an odd issue to have with a brand new, 2WD 1/2 ton. I've known 2 people with Lexus ES300's whose engine needed replacing, and one was at roughly 120K, and the other around 150K if I remember right.

Do I feel that Toyota vehicles are generally reliable? Yes, but they can and do have issues too. My in-laws bought a new Camry to replace their 07 Camry 2-3 years ago. They kept having to spend for repairs. The one I remember was they needed a new exhaust manifold because the cat clogged on their I4 car. Now you might say, "but the car had 300K miles." Cool, but going 300K, on a properly maintained vehicle isn't unheard of, or some special feat. I've known people pushing noticeably more mileage than that, and not having to constantly repair their vehicles. I know a guy who had an 89 Mustang LX with 400K on the factory drivetrain. I've known a couple pre-AFM 5.3L Silverado owners with around 400K miles. Are there Toyota's with that kind of miles that needed little $ spent in repairs and upkeep? Sure, but the point is Toyota generally being reliable doesn't mean that other vehicles aren't reliable in general either. This is why I say reliability is overrated. I don't want a vehicle with that much wear and tear on it. At that point I'd rather get something fresh and modern.

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

So it is emotional rather than rational.

I am pleased as punch with the 2.7EB in my F-150. Terribly glad I didn't get the 3.5EB as Ford doesn't seem to be willing to do what it takes to fix the cam phaser reliability issue. Yet got it right on the 2.7EB.

What's irrational about a F150 with a Coyote? It's straight ballzy as a mofo when combined with the 10R80. Tows just fine. My 3.73 equipped truck averaged about 17.8 MPG before I switched to E85. It's rated to tow right under 11K lbs without going with some undesirable bed/cab configuration. BTW your max payload F150's run Coyotes. The 21+ 5L truck gets MPG's that rival a 2.7L, and might better it even. I'm not a fan of cylinder deactivation, but I can't front, Ford seems to have done it the best so far. These new 5L trucks are averaging mid-20 MPG's (I'm not just talking 2WD, RCSB trucks either) according to many owners, and I haven't seen where people are having big reliability issues with Fords cylinder deactivation system, and it's been on the market for 3 years now.

But yes, buying a new vehicle should be largely based on emotion. A new truck costs a butt load of $ so you'd better like it.

 

[Grumpycat]

15 mpg ain't bad in a full-size 1/2 ton pickup. I don't get that in my pickup OR my sedan.

My 2018 F-150 XLT Supercab, 4x4, 2.7EB:

 

[Grumpycat]

What's irrational about a F150 with a Coyote? It's straight ballzy as a mofo when combined with the 10R80. Tows just fine. My 3.73 equipped truck averaged about 17.8 MPG before I switched to E85. It's rated to tow right under 11K lbs without going with some undesirable bed/cab configuration.

I shopped the specs pretty hard and didn't find it easy to get 11k towing, but did find it easy to get lost in the tables and calculations.

Ultimately drove 3 virtually identical 2018s, one each 2.7EB, 3.5EB, and 5.0 Coyote. The Coyote sounded fun but at non-hooligan speeds the 2.7EB was simply more responsive and fun.

A previous day at another dealer I drove a max payload F-150. Back then the only way to get max payload was with a 3.5EB. The ride was significantly poorer than non-max payload. Load Range E tires. 7 bolt wheels. Right up there with an F-250.

That settled it, I took the 2.7EB. No regrets. Doing the numbers it is rated for 7800-8000 pounds towing. I won't try 10k cross country but if need be to take a tractor to the dealer or something then I'll have at it.

Didn't drive it home that day of the test drive because I specified the Ford factory trailer brake controller be added to the deal.

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

I shopped the specs pretty hard and didn't find it easy to get 11k towing, but did find it easy to get lost in the tables and calculations.

Ultimately drove 3 virtually identical 2018s, one each 2.7EB, 3.5EB, and 5.0 Coyote. The Coyote sounded fun but at non-hooligan speeds the 2.7EB was simply more responsive and fun.

A previous day at another dealer I drove a max payload F-150. Back then the only way to get max payload was with a 3.5EB. The ride was significantly poorer than non-max payload. Load Range E tires. 7 bolt wheels. Right up there with an F-250.

That settled it, I took the 2.7EB. No regrets. Doing the numbers it is rated for 7800-8000 pounds towing. I won't try 10k cross country but if need be to take a tractor to the dealer or something then I'll have at it.

Didn't drive it home that day of the test drive because I specified the Ford factory trailer brake controller be added to the deal.

Yes an 18 F150 with the 5L, and 3.73's in a crewcab/4x4 configuration is rated to tow up to 10,900lbs. Like you said in 18 only the 3.5L EB was offered with the Max Tow package. The 21+ trucks can get you a Max Tow with the Coyote, and it's rated to tow 13,000 lbs with a crewcab/4x4 configuration.

Agreed. I don't care to tow 5 tons with a 1/2 even if it is rated for it. I'd borrow my parents 18 F350 PSD for that. If for some reason I did have to tow that much weight with a 1/2 ton then I'd want a truck that was rated to do so, though. Oddly enough my 18 JD 5075E with a 520M FEL, fluid in the tire, and I'd guess weighing around 8,000 lbs without the trailer was delivered to my house by a GEN1 EB F150. It was a steel body truck if I remember correctly, but can't remember for sure.

 

[Farmer495]

My 2018 F-150 XLT Supercab, 4x4, 2.7EB:

Best I've seen on my 3.5EB crew cab 4x4 6.5' box & 3.73 axle ratio is 21.5 US MPG.

 

[deserteagle71]

Best I've seen on my 3.5EB crew cab 4x4 6.5' box & 3.73 axle ratio is 21.5 US MPG.

Always depends on driving conditions. Mine is a 2016 F150 Supercab 4x4 6.5 bed with 3.55 gears, 3.5 Ecoboost. Here's a screen shot of my dash display last year when driving a couple hours on fairly flat ground but with a strong tail wind:

I bought the truck new, and as with all my vehicles I keep a log book in it in which I log everything, including gas fillups. The fueling data is then entered into an Excel spreadsheet that calculates exact fuel mileage as the on-board computer is never completely accurate. The truck now has over 70,000 miles and since new the overall fuel mileage is 20.5 mpg. That includes quite a few miles towing. Hooking a trailer with some weight on it to the truck immediately halves the fuel mileage. But it IS amazing at how easily that 213 cubic inch V6 pulls a heavy load - it feels every bit the equal of the trucks I used to have with 460 cubic inch V8s.