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It's probably a lot less expensive to have the regulator rebuilt again. If the diaphragm has blown, it is most likely just old tired material in the diaphragm. It has no effect on any of the metal parts or gauges. I recommend that you speak with professionals about your regulator. It is easier to create a new one based on the principles of MTPremium – Official and make it work
 
   / Started my solar project #42  
Our solar install was finished up about 3 weeks ago... been cloudy and rainy everyday since. Even so the panels still generate some power.
 
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OP here. After 2 upgrades to get my system up to 7530kW because I upgraded my house to all electric including mini splits, my annual electrical cost for usage was under $200 for the last 2 years. In addition, I’m saving about $2000 on propane each year. SCE bills me annually for usage.

WOO HOO!
 
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I'm curious OP and others, since inflation has kicked in are you noticing a quicker ROI (return on investment)? I have been leaning towards a wind turbine due to the high winds we get here, but solar seems like less maintenance and maybe a little cheaper. They have been installing the monster towers on the next ridgeline over for the last several months. I live in PA and we can do grid tie and net metering, but of course we have snow and ice winters (lots of ice this year). My land is clear and I have pretty good sun exposure. I talked to the elec company, their transmission rates kind of kill off the sell back so I am guessing this would be just a electric bill reduction. I probably spend about 2-2.7k in electric a year. If I installed a 16k system I am looking at at least a 10 year break even, unless electric goes up again.

I use a ton of elec in the winter time, oil hot air and a pellet stove eats it up. Yesterday and today with the high winds from this polar thingamabob, and the potential loss of power once again, I have been reexamining this and ran across this thread. I do realize that the wind turbine would have kicked out during those super high winds.
 
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PA Hayseed short answer, yes the ROI is significantly better when rates went up to .34$ KWH here in NH mid year. When we installed it was .18$KWH in 2014 then .22$ KWH for 5 years before this year. With our 7.2KWH system we will generate 9000KWH this year, and average of .28$ per KWH this year, or $2500.

In 2014 we estimated 9 yr ROI, ($13K net cost after credits etc.) so we are 8 yrs installed now and paid off. We also use oil heat/DHW and put in 3 mini splits too which reduce oil use.

Snow and ice melt/slide off within a day of storms typically so doesn't impact generation much.
 
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I'm curious OP and others, since inflation has kicked in are you noticing a quicker ROI (return on investment)? I have been leaning towards a wind turbine due to the high winds we get here, but solar seems like less maintenance and maybe a little cheaper. They have been installing the monster towers on the next ridgeline over for the last several months. I live in PA and we can do grid tie and net metering, but of course we have snow and ice winters (lots of ice this year). My land is clear and I have pretty good sun exposure. I talked to the elec company, their transmission rates kind of kill off the sell back so I am guessing this would be just a electric bill reduction. I probably spend about 2-2.7k in electric a year. If I installed a 16k system I am looking at at least a 10 year break even, unless electric goes up again.

I use a ton of elec in the winter time, oil hot air and a pellet stove eats it up. Yesterday and today with the high winds from this polar thingamabob, and the potential loss of power once again, I have been reexamining this and ran across this thread. I do realize that the wind turbine would have kicked out during those super high winds.
Be careful of what exists today may not exist tomorrow. The CA PUC just voted to change the net metering numbers to the point that solar may not be viable in CA. at the same time that the state is mandating solar on new homes. The projected ROI is now predicted to be 20 years plus. Ya think someone is getting their palm greased? Fortunately, existing systems are grandfathered for 15 years and at my age that’s more than enough.
 
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I'm curious OP and others, since inflation has kicked in are you noticing a quicker ROI (return on investment)? I have been leaning towards a wind turbine due to the high winds we get here, but solar seems like less maintenance and maybe a little cheaper. They have been installing the monster towers on the next ridgeline over for the last several months. I live in PA and we can do grid tie and net metering, but of course we have snow and ice winters (lots of ice this year). My land is clear and I have pretty good sun exposure. I talked to the elec company, their transmission rates kind of kill off the sell back so I am guessing this would be just a electric bill reduction. I probably spend about 2-2.7k in electric a year. If I installed a 16k system I am looking at at least a 10 year break even, unless electric goes up again.

I use a ton of elec in the winter time, oil hot air and a pellet stove eats it up. Yesterday and today with the high winds from this polar thingamabob, and the potential loss of power once again, I have been reexamining this and ran across this thread. I do realize that the wind turbine would have kicked out during those super high winds.
This web page is a good primer for small wind. Great knowledge base before making a small wind turbine decision.

 
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Be careful of what exists today may not exist tomorrow. The CA PUC just voted to change the net metering numbers to the point that solar may not be viable in CA. at the same time that the state is mandating solar on new homes. The projected ROI is now predicted to be 20 years plus. Ya think someone is getting their palm greased? Fortunately, existing systems are grandfathered for 15 years and at my age that’s more than enough.
Figures, politicians and greed. Then again, who fills those PUC appointments? They aren't elected in my state.
 
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This web page is a good primer for small wind. Great knowledge base before making a small wind turbine decision.

Thank you for the link. I went there and remembered viewing their material before. Some of their information is good, but they are a tiny bit slanted in their information. The website's maps say there isn't enough wind in my area for turbines, but there are ridges (one that I live on) that get substantially higher winds. Those wind maps can be viewed on other websites. I know these companies aren't putting up mega turbines where there isn't enough wind, the cost (even though they are heavily subsidized) is enormous. The entire appalachian trail, for the most part, can be a high wind source. That covers a large geographic area. Having said this, I am still looking at solar now.
 
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Our solar install was finished up about 3 weeks ago... been cloudy and rainy everyday since. Even so the panels still generate some power.
Had any sunny days?

December and January are low production months unless you live in the Southwest.

Have had a 10 day stretch here that is mostly cloudy with snow and freezing rain. Still averaging 6 to 7 kw of power each day. Enough to run the well, woodstove fan, toaster, coffee maker and lights. Haven't had to hook up the PTO generator to charge the batteries yet. But did run a 2kw inverter generator to run some power tools.
 
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Worst time of year to install a new system for sure. We have had a few semi sunny days, just enough to know it is working and reducing draw from the grid. It has only been in for a shade over a month and we have a metering problem the installers have yet to fix so I cannot say positively how much it has reduced the grid usage. From looking at the live feed from the panels (which does work) on those few sunny periods we saw grid usage cut down to .5 kw or less a couple of times.

Longer days and brighter sunlight will tell me if it is/was worth the expense.
 
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I poured footings today for my 5250 watt ground mount solar project. Being a retired licensed general contractor, my intent was to do this project completely myself. I found out that San Bernardino county will not allow an owner/builder do solar even though they can build a whole house legally. I think that solar is dangerous because once the panels are exposed to the sun, they are generating electricity and that could be dangerous to a novice builder. My license is inactive since retirement so they would not allow me to use that either. I found an electrical contractor to sign off on the plans for a small fee and I will still be doing the project myself.

The original design called for drilled piers, 24 diameter by 4 feet deep. Eight of them. That is a lot of footing but I am in a 120 MPH wind zone. No trees or buildings to slow it down here in the desert.

Because of the permit issues, it took me a month to get a permit. Then Covid hit and the only driller within 50 miles that could do 24 holes shut down for an unknown period. I had to keep going so I had a friend with a backhoe dig the footings. While he is a skilled operator, there is a limit as to how small a 4 deep hole you can dig. Now I had to form all the footings. I could have used sonotube but that was $500 and the closest supplier was 50 miles away. There are some drawbacks to living in isolation. 😆

Concrete for the drilled piers would have been about 4 CY. My footings took about 4 1/2 CY.

Tomorrow it is strip forms and backfill and grade around the footings to flush them out. Then start panel installation.





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Where are you plans for disposal of the toxic heavy metals and lead from your solar panels once they stop working years from now?

Asking on behalf of the children of future generations.
 
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Just bury the panels as packaging for nuclear waste?
 
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Where are you plans for disposal of the toxic heavy metals and lead from your solar panels once they stop working years from now?

Asking on behalf of the children of future generations.
Paint me ignorant, I honestly did not know there was a waste problem with solar panels. Did a google search and read several articles about how large of a problem it actually is. Sad!
 
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Batteries have no waste solution either.
Don't make money on post sales recycling and disposal.
How do you make it worthwhile for companies to recycle or make more repairable if their is no $ made?
Of course laws could be passed, and then, as usual, forward motion stops.
 
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Batteries have no waste solution either.
Don't make money on post sales recycling and disposal.
How do you make it worthwhile for companies to recycle or make more repairable if their is no $ made?
Of course laws could be passed, and then, as usual, forward motion stops.
Lead acid batteries are over 95% recycleable. Sent a lot of forklift batteries in for a recycle, they left on the same trucks that brought the new batteries in.
 
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I am talking about EV, LIon etc batteries.
Lead acid are pretty good for the internals.
Allowed to charge a $10 core fee, means most get returned.
External parts probably go to the dump.
 
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Where are you plans for disposal of the toxic heavy metals and lead from your solar panels once they stop working years from now?

Asking on behalf of the children of future generations.
I don’t know, but it’s the same toxic heavy metals and lead are in the computers in your tractors. Hmmm
 
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Solar panels weight is 75% glass, 10% Aluminum (easily recycled) then - 5% silver, silicon, and copper, the rest is polymer and sealant. Each weigh about 60Lbs so if you have 30 panels that's 1800Lbs of waste of which 1550 lbs is glass and aluminum. 90-100 lbs is silicon, copper and silver which is recoverable but expensive.

Not saying this is good, but over 30 years, how many TV's, Laptops, Phones etc. will be recycled per household? New cell phone every 3 years, laptop every 3-4 years, TV maybe 5-8 years. So an average household over 30 years will generate a lot more e-waste than the solar will. These are energy consumption devices, not generation devices like solar panels.

The benefits IMO outweigh the alternatives.
 
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Solar panels weight is 75% glass, 10% Aluminum (easily recycled) then - 5% silver, silicon, and copper, the rest is polymer and sealant. Each weigh about 60Lbs so if you have 30 panels that's 1800Lbs of waste of which 1550 lbs is glass and aluminum. 90-100 lbs is silicon, copper and silver which is recoverable but expensive.

Not saying this is good, but over 30 years, how many TV's, Laptops, Phones etc. will be recycled per household? New cell phone every 3 years, laptop every 3-4 years, TV maybe 5-8 years. So an average household over 30 years will generate a lot more e-waste than the solar will. These are energy consumption devices, not generation devices like solar panels.

The benefits IMO outweigh the alternatives.

Not everyone has a c-phone, so those without one do not have to find a place to recycle them. My current lap top is over 10 years old and still working. If I had to use it for work, then maybe a new one would be in order, but I don't. My last TV lasted 20 years. I'm not sure where you got your number form, but they don't sound right.

Richard
 

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