X-cord for welder

[Sberry]

Used to prevent the cleaing staff from plugging in to the other circuits
However ,, ask the diy guy why they use that end and will gett a different answer

 

[Sberry]

Prevents yhrm from using generals on institutional for the most part
Even modern 120v welders come 15 end, easy to turn one up past 20A, they come 14 cord.

 

[Sberry]

The 12 on a 30 is a size bigger than the nacine requires at 65 ft, it comes with s 14 cord and will not overheat a 12 wire no matter ehich breaker is on it.

 

[WranglerX]

There is a simple solution to keep from plugging in a air compressor or any "power tool" to a dedicated welding circuit.... Place a sign next to receptical that reads "Welding Circuit Only" or maybe "For Welder Use Only" (or some such verbiage)... Anyone who violates the signage the rathe of the gods is on them...

 

[the old grind]

Agreed again, tho' I may just be too chicken not to 'dummyproof' work I can't monitor in perpetuity. Signs come down, idiots ignore 'em, homes/shops get new owners, etc. Anyway, I'm learning but still a bit overcautious out of habit. Thanks, guys.

 

[jaxs]

There is a simple solution to keep from plugging in a air compressor or any "power tool" to a dedicated welding circuit.... Place a sign next to receptical that reads "Welding Circuit Only" or maybe "For Welder Use Only" (or some such verbiage)... Anyone who violates the signage the rathe of the gods is on them...

That's right,and the rathe of lawyers could be on the owner/electrician because the sign prove's they knew the plug posed a risk.

 

[RickB]

There is a simple solution to keep from plugging in a air compressor or any "power tool" to a dedicated welding circuit.... Place a sign next to receptical that reads "Welding Circuit Only" or maybe "For Welder Use Only" (or some such verbiage)... Anyone who violates the signage the rathe of the gods is on them...

If it were mine I'd wire it to handle anything I wanted to plug into it. Who wants to install a 240v circuit and not be able to use it?

 

[Sberry]

Ine of the guys here had it reasoned out that it wasnt safe to use a 10 on a 50 which is fine and leagal but was ok, , mainly cause he did it,, to put all his welders on 80A breakers on 6 50 so all his welders work. Not a leagal corcuit in so many ways but the teasoning was that it wouldnt overheat the wire.
Thats as deep as it goes. Only understands one rudimentary concrpt of circuit design from,,, someone told me course of study.

 

[Sberry]

I sm not saying to do it that way. I am saying you can and its safe and leagal as determined by the whole industry and that all the pet theories. I did it my way type self reason is full of dhit. This logic is not from experts but diy types.
Hank J used to be on Miller sight had o good take on it after the rest depate, just get a 20 cable and hook it up. After reading the service guide , but after a long career knew about all the future proof etc and saw how that all played out.
Contrary to popular belief the current demand in welders has went down. Old ones basically designed when no.onal was 220. Now its 240 or better, same wattage used, amps drop, now can weld from 30A service and if a guy buys an old tank he should plan to power it .
I dont have only 1 circuit for welders, dont try to run a 300 from a dryer outlet, ideas i see promoted abd dont own another piece of equipment i plug in to a welder outlet ans id we did its well within the same design parameters.

 

[Sberry]

Aint sposed to be plugging lots of other stuff in to welder circuits, not designed for that, they are not multi voltage and the 6 50 is rated to 3 hp, stuff lower than that would work provided the breaker was suzed for the appliance.

 

[Sberry]

If it were mine I'd wire it to handle anything I wanted to plug into it. Who wants to install a 240v circuit and not be able to use it?

This is faulty logic.

 

[the old grind]

So we 'go by the book' for 'utility' and/or possible varied use by one's heirs but it's called 'uneducated DIY' to prove there's another way? ok. But there's more than one way to stew a 'possum if you don't like muskrat. It's a thin line we walk when not being wrong can still cause someone to demean our best efforts for skipping what I feel is an unneeded 'life hack'. I'm hesitant to relate what gauge welding leads I prefer after this.

btw, Should I feel dumb for preferring 6-ply tires on my tractors when 4-plys would do? Wondering now why I put a Class IV hitch on my truck for Class II towing. And could I have bought a 1500 vs 2500 truck because guys less cautious than me push towing limits all the time with less? Sorry, I didn't.

Maybe I'll toss out all my electrical and welding books if I can learn more from forum posts and don't need 'em.

 

[WranglerX]

If it were mine I'd wire it to handle anything I wanted to plug into it. Who wants to install a 240v circuit and not be able to use it?

Then install circuit for you most heavily used equipment.... Welder will work just fine on that circuit although the electrical demands will be less for welder than using something like air compressor or big power hungry tools on that circuit....We had a philosophy in the telcom industry "if in doubt of conductor size, go bigger"..... In the end its the breaker that is really important issue.....

The real danger here is using conductor that is to small..... Like using a #12 when circuit minimally requires a #8...

 

[RickB]

Then install circuit for you most heavily used equipment..

Not the most heavily used. The one with the largest current draw you expect to be able to use. It's just plain foolish to run a 240v circuit capable of powering any number less than 100% of those that might need to be used in that location.

 

[RickB]

This is faulty logic.

Absolutely not. You aren't qualified to comment on any logic I use or decisions I make concerning my own property. If I own an item that draws 50 amps and there's a chance I might need it in a given location, running an inadequate circuit to that location is a stupid decision.

 

[GeneV]

Oh my what happened here, looks like Sberry had a lot to get off his chest lol.

 

[PILOON]

I think this forum needs a licensed electrician as a moderator B4 somebody burns his shop or gets electrocuted.

Over time I've just seen too many fires related to faulty/DIY hookups.

Fuses & breakers MUST be the weak link in any circuit!

 

[GeneV]

Yeh me personally, I don't know jack ish about electrical other than when running a circuit, size the wire to the breaker needed....coz you're quite possibly not gonna be the only one plugging stuff into that receptacle. KISS principle is the best way, in my humble opinionating.

 

[Sberry]

Yeh me personally, I don't know jack ish about electrical other than when running a circuit, size the wire to the breaker needed....coz you're quite possibly not gonna be the only one plugging stuff into that receptacle. KISS principle is the best way, in my humble opinionating.

There is nothing else to plug in to this that is not a cobble job.

 

[Sberry]

I cant recall ever buying a piece not a welder csne with 6 50. Its not motor rated above 3 hp, its not really a general recept.