Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[buckeyefarmer]

Shale oil and gas fraud: A sign of a peak in oil supplies? - Resilience

IF a true peak in crude oil reserves ever occurs that may usher in real interest in renewable forms of energy.

Looks like another anti oil group.
A lot of gas and oil is coming out of the shale, and is powering the plants that charge the electric cars.

Every time you convert energy, you have losses. In the end, electric vehicles are probably less efficient, when you look at the whole energy path. Hybrids seem to make the most sense, but they were overpriced compared to ice and the cost of gas.

When Honda first came out with a Hybrid accord, it got 1 mph better than an accord with a standard transmission, for over $10k more in cost. You would never break even.

As far as government studies, btdt, we were often told by govt officials to support such and such result. They were usually about siding with the answer that produced the most funding. If you didn’t produce what they wanted, you got no more work. They would find another “yes” man.

 

[cqaigy2]

If you keep the car through a battery change-out how would it change the chart?

Did you track down the inputs to the study to answer your question? I'd be interested to hear.

 

[txdon]

Did you track down the inputs to the study to answer your question? I'd be interested to hear.

I looked at the matinance items listed and conveniently the battery replacement was missing. Very bias.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

If you keep the car through a battery change-out how would it change the chart?

For EVS produced in the last 5 years there is no change out charges until after 8 years or 100,000 miles. Nissan Leafs had battery pack failures through 2017 especially in mid 90 summer temperatures. Our 2016 Leaf SL 30 kWh Battery Pack State Of Health dropped under 65% 5 weeks after I got it home late 2019. Nissan replaced it with a 2020 40 kWh battery with different chemistry. Their 2018+ 40 and 62 kWh packs seem more stable.

Nissan never had any battery cooling system but did Ok in Canada, Norway etc.

Oftentimes non EV owners fearful of new technology tend to make fake post about EV cost of ownership.

Today Tesla is the only EV made based on field proven EV technology today. Well BDY of China is a serious option and is the EV that Warren Buffett is behind. They have a factory in California where they built city buses. They are into heavy trucks buses like garbage trucks etc and are getting some strength in cars currently. Toyota plans to put their own car bodies on BYD EV skateboard.

I am hoping the $25,000 Tesla will have headroom so I can get in it. The size of the Leaf works great for our needs but it's just not a serious EV for the log haul.

GrumpyCat is a 2013 Tesla Model S owner so he knows about EV battery life after all these years.

 

[Grumpycat]

I read that article that describes how this study contradicts another study with an opposite result. It also didn't take into consideration a higher demand of electricity would ordinarily drive the cost of electricity up.
Sounds more like bias reporting from the government.

Meh. EV demand for electricity will drive prices down because the demand will be at night when there is great surplus that can’t be sold. That T.O.U. billing discounts nighttime consumption because the utility would rather get something than nothing.

 

[lman]

Meh. EV demand for electricity will drive prices down because the demand will be at night when there is great surplus that can’t be sold. That T.O.U. billing discounts nighttime consumption because the utility would rather get something than nothing.

It sounds like you get a discount for electric use at night. I don't and I don't see why they would start that policy. That's kind of like gas stations giving you 10 cents off after 10:00 p.m. when it's slow, I haven't seen it. Time will tell but I don't see my electric prices going down in my lifetime. I think it's common knowledge that electricity customers use more electricity now than they did 30 years ago and the price has gone up not down. More likely due to the laws of supply and demand, electric rates will go up.

 

[txdon]

GrumpyCat is a 2013 Tesla Model S owner so he knows about EV battery life after all these years.

GC what is the cost for a battery replacement?

 

[txdon]

It sounds like you get a discount for electric use at night. I don't and I don't see why they would start that policy.

We don't either. In fact we are a green energy town - we got kudos from Kerry (look up Georgetown TX) - and at night the solar panels and wind turbines are the least productive. Night time energy is dirty natural gas or coal energy.

 

[Grumpycat]

It sounds like you get a discount for electric use at night. I don't and I don't see why they would start that policy. That's kind of like gas stations giving you 10 cents off after 10:00 p.m. when it's slow, I haven't seen it. Time will tell but I don't see my electric prices going down in my lifetime. I think it's common knowledge that electricity customers use more electricity now than they did 30 years ago and the price has gone up not down. More likely due to the laws of supply and demand, electric rates will go up.

I do not but I know much of the country does and my utility keeps trying to get it approved. In recent years they replaced all electrical meters with networked smart meters which makes T.O.U. possible. I can check my usage by the hour, the most recent hour, online.

 

[Grumpycat]

GC what is the cost for a battery replacement?

Several articles online trying to guess but there have been very few replacements. About $15,000 on eBay for Tesla 85 kWh.

After 7.5 years mine still has 250 of original 265 mile range.

Meanwhile I’m on the 3rd 12v battery which costs $272 installed. And having done it once myself the labor alone is with that.

Since my car was built the 12v has been relocated several times in new cars. It is that bad.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

It sounds like you get a discount for electric use at night. I don't and I don't see why they would start that policy. That's kind of like gas stations giving you 10 cents off after 10:00 p.m. when it's slow, I haven't seen it. Time will tell but I don't see my electric prices going down in my lifetime. I think it's common knowledge that electricity customers use more electricity now than they did 30 years ago and the price has gone up not down. More likely due to the laws of supply and demand, electric rates will go up.

Introducing Megapack: Utility-Scale Energy Storage | Tesla Australia

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Iman gas stations have storage tanks.

Electric grids are just starting to get storage tanks thanks to Tesla and other grid storage battery manufactures.

Don't rush out and buy a new Tesla just because they are helping keep the lights on and reduce electric bills at the same time.

Tesla brings real solutions to real human needs.

 

[txdon]

Since my car was built the 12v has been relocated several times in new cars. It is that bad.

On my ICE Kia the 12v battery it is located in the trunk under the spare tire. The trunk has no key, it is electronic open. Crazy.
Even the Kia dealership has a hard time figuring it out:

 

[cqaigy2]

I looked at the matinance items listed and conveniently the battery replacement was missing. Very bias.

I didn't see mention of battery replacement, nor engine replacement, or repair.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

It sounds like you get a discount for electric use at night. I don't and I don't see why they would start that policy. That's kind of like gas stations giving you 10 cents off after 10:00 p.m. when it's slow, I haven't seen it. Time will tell but I don't see my electric prices going down in my lifetime. I think it's common knowledge that electricity customers use more electricity now than they did 30 years ago and the price has gone up not down. More likely due to the laws of supply and demand, electric rates will go up.

It depends on the local generating plants. Once coal or nuclear get up and running, they need to stay running. It's a PITA to shut them down, and a PITA to start them up again. Natural gas turbines can ramp up and down quickly. Hydro is fairly flexible. Wind can be shut down and start up again if the wind blows. If the majority of local generating capacity is coal or nuclear, they have to get rid of the energy somehow, thus the off hour discounts.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Bank of America projects 2022 oil prices near $100 on growing travel demand

I found this to be a good article. It doesn't spell out what will happen but takes several different paths that it prices could take.

Tesla and the other EV makers and the suppliers are driving the demand for fossil fuels higher and higher. Can you imagine how much diesel Giga Texas is burning running around the clock building the factory. Same thing in Germany China and battery companies are building all over the United States all over the world especially. Associated mining is done basically on diesel fuel.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Limetree Bay refinery to shut indefinitely

This is concerning if refinery installations age out at a time when fossil fuel demanding is on the rise.

The world stock markets are willing to fund EV development but not the past infrastructure for fossil fuels it seems. The pandemic side effects are going to hit us hard in the pocketbook from many different directions.

 

[Grumpycat]

On my ICE Kia the 12v battery it is located in the trunk under the spare tire. The trunk has no key, it is electronic open. Crazy.
Even the Kia dealership has a hard time figuring it out:

Tesla has no physical key to any of the doors. Not even to start the car. No on/off switch at all, just foot on brake and put it in gear.

There is a procedure to jump a dead 12V battery to power the door locks. Connector is hidden under the front grill or bumper.

 

[Grumpycat]

Limetree Bay refinery to shut indefinitely

This is concerning if refinery installations age out at a time when fossil fuel demanding is on the rise.

The world stock markets are willing to fund EV development but not the past infrastructure for fossil fuels it seems. The pandemic side effects are going to hit us hard in the pocketbook from many different directions.

Smart money was simply not willing to fund refurbishment of a poorly run refinery in the Caribbean. Especially when this means one can ship refined products from elsewhere, at higher cost to the locals.

Same thing in Iran/Iraq. Lots of crude oil but practically no refineries. Too many local terrorists.

 

[sd455dan]

Got a kick out of this a short at the end of this youtube video Best in Tesla with comparisons to the TV series Firebird Trans Am "KIT" car

Elon must have been a fan of Knight Rider