Advice on YM Purchase

[bmaverick]

The other difference of a 2-cly vs 3-cly is the loader up and down speed. My friend's JD650 with the 2T80 is slow. All the other 3-cly JD750, 850, 950 and 1050 do really well.

As for the 2TR20 engine, it's in a back-hoe and a TC2000 Harvester. Nothing else showed up on the Yanmar RePower list for land vehicles. It could be in boats.
There is nothing showing the 2TR20 is a 2T90 anywhere.

Per this website, the 2T90 and the 2TR20 do not share anything. But it seems they are direct swaps that will bolt up. hmmmm
Mismatched engine

They mention that the 2T90 has a longer stroke. There is a 2TR22 (YM2200) and 2TR27 (YM2700). more of that Yanmar mystery.

Whew. Took a bunch of digging.

Here's the 2TR Series and the 2T90.

 

[California]

The other difference of a 2-cly vs 3-cly is the loader up and down speed. My friend's JD650 with the 2T80 is slow. All the other 3-cly JD750, 850, 950 and 1050 do really well.

As for the 2TR20 engine, it's in a back-hoe and a TC2000 Harvester. Nothing else showed up on the Yanmar RePower list for land vehicles. It could be in boats.
There is nothing showing the 2TR20 is a 2T90 anywhere.

Per this website, the 2T90 and the 2TR20 do not share anything. But it seems they are direct swaps that will bolt up. hmmmm
Mismatched engine

They mention that the 2T90 has a longer stroke. There is a 2TR22 (YM2200) and 2TR27 (YM2700). more of that Yanmar mystery.

That Mismatched thread is interesting. Looks like there are different 2TR20 versions and maybe the late one is what was beefed up to make 2T90. One post there says both engines take the same cylinder liner, another says bore is different. i thought I read displacement is identical but I'm not going to go look it up. It seems the only credible information is that either will bolt in, in place of the other. Wayne (LMTC). That's a name we haven't seen here for a decade or so.

2QM20 is the marine version of 2TR20. Hoye has some parts. I see they offer the same bare replacement cylinder head for YM2000, YM2210, and marine 2QM20. But different head gaskets!

My cousin heard the YM240 run and said that's the identical racket he heard all summer working on a salmon boat in Alaska. I've seen 2QM20 listed where later replacement boat engines are offered. Yanmar is primarily a marine engine company, tractors are a minor sideline, so I suspect there are a lot of those in small commercial fishing boats all over the world.

I bought a Thermostart module from the local ThermoKing (semitrailer reefer unit) dealer. He said the stationary version of 2TRT20 was widely used starting from the 70's and they were dead reliable for years in that application where they run unattended, up high on the front of a semitrailer.

 

[bmaverick]

2QM20 is the marine version of 2TR20. Hoye has some parts. I see they offer the same bare replacement cylinder head for YM2000, YM2210, and marine 2QM20. But different head gaskets!

WOW, that's the cleanest pixs I've seen on a Yanmar marine motor showing the back end of the engine. Yes, now it's understandable how the marine rear impeller shaft assy can be removed and a clutch used to fit this in a tractor. I had reservations about how well this could be done.

As for the thermostart, it seems to be a universal part for many of the Japan tractors like Mitsubishi-Satoh, Jima, Hinomoto, Isekie and others in that era. It's a really neat device.


Back to the OP's topic at hand, we sure wrangled out the YM2210 as being LOUD, parts are so-so to acquire for some items and not so good for others, takes a little longer to lift the FEL, Hp is much lower that would even limit a brush mower size & brand type, and limited lift capability on the 3PT arms.

For the OP's 5 acres, the YM2310D would be the minimum to consider. I have a post-hole auger. The ability to mount onto the 3PT with a taller tractor indeed helps a whole bunch. The front end weight of the tractor is a must, with added suitcase weights, will allow the 3PT to pull the auger out of the ground and not lift the front end up doing wheelies. So, the YM2210 would be out of the picture there too. Ideally, the YM2820D or YM3110D or YM2610D would work using the post-hole auger.

Here is how the auger rests before backing up and hooking up. No, I didn't come up with this scheme, but did make modifications so it's EZ to load and store.





As for ditch making, no need for a backhoe. I make 2 passes with the Cub Cadet rear tiller for the garden to bust up the soil. Then take the straight blade on the YM2610, offset the right 3PT arm that greatly tilts the blade, angle the blade via it's pin stop, then start cutting. The ditch turns out as nice as the highway dept does. And, if it's a simple French Drain, the tiller does all the work with passes, dirt removal and more passes. I've gone down 3FT with the tiller alone.

 

[CoyPatton]

CHEAPER than a back hoe, and just as functional.

Not intending to slam a stump bucket, but anyone that claims a stump bucket is as functional as a backhoe, has 1) never used a backhoe or 2) has been smoking too much of what he raises!

That said, I am not a fan of 3PH backhoes on compact and smaller tractors! Those build to attached directly to the tractor with supports tying into the FEL are better. However if you have a lot of digging work, consider a compact dedicated backhoe or a full-size one. You could offset some expense by not purchasing a FEL for the tractor and using the backhoe for projects need the FEL.

 

[fried1765]

Not intending to slam a stump bucket, but anyone that claims a stump bucket is as functional as a backhoe, has 1) never used a backhoe or 2) has been smoking too much of what he raises!

That said, I am not a fan of 3PH backhoes on compact and smaller tractors! Those build to attached directly to the tractor with supports tying into the FEL are better. However if you have a lot of digging work, consider a compact dedicated backhoe or a full-size one. You could offset some expense by not purchasing a FEL for the tractor and using the backhoe for projects need the FEL.

Agree........except, the part about not buying an FEL.

 

[bmaverick]

Agree........except, the part about not buying an FEL.

Or just simply rent a small excavator for the few times one ever needs to backhoe.

Yes, a FEL is ideal for many things!

 

[fried1765]

Or just simply rent a small excavator for the few times one ever needs to backhoe.

Yes, a FEL is ideal for many things!

To lift my well pump out of the pit?
I should rent an excavator?

To dig out a single stump next week?
I should rent an excavator?

To replace a failed yard hydrant?
I should rent an excavator?

 

[California]

Dunno if this clarifies anything. Original from Yanmar, and the box for the new one from the ThermoKing reefer dealer.

 

[California]

As for a FEL I think one is essential for any sort of rural life. Think of as a powered wheelbarrow, a lifting or unloading device, even a digging tool. Compare it to a shovel and wheelbarrow on a project and there's no comparison.

For a 2 wheel drive, drop it and use it as a toboggan to back out of mud that buried the front wheels. BTDT and I also had to do this once with the 4x4 YM186D.

And you can crab the bucket with the lip down to inch back up a slope that was too slippery to back up. BTDT, too.

It really extends the usefulness of a tractor. Don't spend your last dollar for a fancier tractor and expect to put on a loader later, price a tractor with FEL within your budget.

 

[bmaverick]

To lift my well pump out of the pit?
I should rent an excavator?

To dig out a single stump next week?
I should rent an excavator?

To replace a failed yard hydrant?
I should rent an excavator?

Only in reference to the OPs posting for doing ditches.

As for a well pump out of a pit or a yard hydrant, I would use my 3PT boom pole off the auger.