Making my own 20 KW Genset

   / Making my own 20 KW Genset #21  
Born and grew up in Maine, but left when someone decided if you lived on the coast you could afford the tax for redistribution to non coastal. That was 1977. Hopefully, that madness failed, but I won’t be moving back. Seeing snow on the mountain pleases me more than shoveling it.

Ended up here on Hawaii in 2005, no HVAC at all except propane fireplace, but completely off grid. Off grid power isn’t truly free, LOL

As for propane, rejoice a bit. My last delivery was $5.18/gal. My last bulk diesel was 3.56/gal, but that was last Mar.
 
   / Making my own 20 KW Genset
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Off grid power isn稚 truly free, LOL

No, it is not free, and a lot of times it ends up being its own lifestyle....a person's hobby onto itself. Which that is fine of course.

When you factor in heating a home though, and power generation combined; it really closes the gap on buying on grid power and domestic heat.

In this case, I am using what I got for major parts to make the genset, but if I was to buy the gensets instead, I think a better approach would be to buy smaller units, and then synchronize the two together when they were needed. The cost of syncing equipment is not that expensive, and would allow one engine to run when a smaller amount of power is needed, or when heat is needed. I say the latter because it would only take one engine, at half the size, for all my heating needs. I would just need a secondary genset to fire up for the bigger electrical loads.

It has been years since I worked for the railroad and synced in AC gensets, but that was using analog controls, so I imagine today, with digital technology, it is probably a lot easier, and probably could be automated. Maybe set the second genset to lag, then have it fire up at 75% load on the first? Maybe run use one as primary, and one as back-up so that every 30,000 hours you replace just one. Or maybe alternate the units so that you get close to 60,000 hours out of them before both have to be replaced? (I do not know...same, but different I guess).

When I did the math on one bigger engine, with combined heat and power, using plug and play gensets and fuel consumption, it worked so that I was within $1200 of buying propane and buying on-grid power 24/7-150 days. Since then, propane has gone up, and grid power just went up 2% on a PUC approved KWH hike, so it is even more favorable then when I first ran the numbers. I think with a two genset setup, a person could get bought power and heat closer to self-produced power and heat...150 days (the heating season here).
 
   / Making my own 20 KW Genset #23  
Wow, they sure are proud of their fuel in other areas. Currently $1.299 in link below. There are times when propane dips below a buck a gallon here. Wifey watches the prices when our 1,000 gallon tank gets below half and has it filled when it suits. We usually go through around 500 gallons a year, so our heating costs aren't bad.

Propane Prices & Delivery in Lancaster, Berks & Lebanon County
 
   / Making my own 20 KW Genset #24  
Same here on our 1,000 gal tank. Just went and looked it’s at 45%. I will fill it again in summer when it nears $1 a gal again.
 
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Yeah I call it co-generation.

For me, this will allow my house to be heated by:

Coal
Firewood
Electricity
Diesel
Propane
Wood Pellets (back-up)

Then for electricity:

On-Grid
Off-grid

It will just give me a lot of options: and I like options!

I would be focusing more on cooling than heating the way our weather has been changing. Installed my 16KW three years ago and only used it 3 times.
 
   / Making my own 20 KW Genset #26  
Maybe...

The two things to remember are, the efficiency rate of the furnace or boiler. For instance, a oil fired boiler might be 87% efficient, and a propane boiler 95% efficient, so that has to be calculated in. But the other thing is BTU's per gallon. Fuel Oil has 131,000 btu's per gallon, and propane only has 91,000 btu's per gallon.

Depending on how those two things work, it could mean the difference between being worth switching or not.

What I like about having various forms of heat, is that I can chose which heat I use based upon price. Another thing I find myself doing a lot of, is switching between heating sources. Last year we lived in a tiny house and ended up heating with coal, firewood, oil, and wood pellets. For the most part we used wood pellets, but when it got cold we used firewood, and when it was really, really cold we used coal. When we were not home, we used oil.

Tried it all, No2 oil, propane, pellet, NG and settled on one-Natural Gas. Also upgraded the house-insulation, triple pan windows, metal roof and soon vinal siding. You do know no2 oil is very volatile-every little crisis and shortage affects its price drastically!
 
   / Making my own 20 KW Genset
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I would be focusing more on cooling than heating the way our weather has been changing. Installed my 16KW three years ago and only used it 3 times.

It has been a funny winter; the same weather pattern we had back in 1994 for some reason?

Cooling is not much of an issue because I have 55 HP available, so I can have up to a 40 KW generator. I can either run room sized air conditioners, or put in some minisplits. I got 20 KW, but that was just what I had for a generator kicking around.

Normally on this hill I just open up the windows and hope the forever-wind does not blow me off the hill! (LOL)
 
   / Making my own 20 KW Genset #28  
That should be a nice system when you get it all setup and dialed in.
 
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That should be a nice system when you get it all setup and dialed in.

Thanks...

To me it is just a fun project. As I work on various systems, slowly as it is, I get to work through the issues, and then think about the best way to get the job done. Sometimes it is as simple as getting the starter to turn, but also in how I am going to make a start circuit for it, or if I am going to mount a radiator on the engine, or off-set it and power it via an electric fan instead to take some of the parasitic load off the engine.

Being a genset, it has a lot of options because there is always power available, so it is fun to work through the different possible setups.
 
   / Making my own 20 KW Genset #30  
broke down and topped off propane tank. not sure what will happen to delivery due to stupid virus scare. the dealer called me and told me he would be in area today, so i had him top off tank. we have had 3 long power outages in past few weeks. power was off 2 days in longest one. $1.25 per gal wasnt bad price.

better safe than sorry.
 

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