Snow Attachments Snow PUMP

[aczlan]

The old gravely's had a setup like that also. It takes some fiddling to get them to run right if they are messed up.

Looks like they can be had for $140ish: Pierce Governor, Governor Assembly, GC9917R2184, 211968 | eBay (would need the grar replaced with a pulley)


Aaron Z

 

[fitterski]

What I was describing is built into the injection pump. People swapping diesels from tractors into cars and trucks run into this problem in reverse, they need the "road" setup, not the governed tractor or stationary/generator/pump setup. If you stumbled upon one of these cummins stationary setups it would be a slick way to do it, instead of trying to build one. You will find setting up a governor is not as simple as it seems, lots of fiddling with stuff so it will not over react and "hunt" all the time and also not be sluggish and always a day late and a dollar short and your blower is clogged with snow because of it. Of course if your engine is way oversized, you may be able to just set the throttle and forget it.

It so happens there WAS a tractor engine for sale not far from here but with a Ve pump and too expensive. How do they govern from inside the pump, is there an rpm signal from the injection pulses? I haven't had much to do with governors beyond trying to set up a chainsaw and that sure did hunt all over the place I know the term is sometimes used loosely for 'limited to' which is not the same meaning at all.

 

[fitterski]

Looks like they can be had for $140ish: Pierce Governor, Governor Assembly, GC9917R2184, 211968 | eBay (would need the grar replaced with a pulley)Aaron Z

Buying something like that and hacking it to make-work would for sure be a LOT cheaper and faster than doing it from scratch. I vaguely remember seeing simpler ones but this and the linked ebay one look not bad at all as far as I can tell. I'm certainly gonna keep a file open on them.

 

[pmsmechanic]

Fitterski just look on you tube for a video on overhauling an injection pump. You'll see how the governor works.

 

[franklin2]

I did a little research on it. The guys doing 4bt swaps are running into this all the time. The statonary type governor is called a "RSV" while the road type governor is called a "RQV". Apparently it is a part of the injection pump and while it's separate, it's also part of the rest of the pump enough to where you have to know what you are doing to swap it out. Do a google search "RSV to RQV swap". Of course they want to go to the road governor, you want to go the other way.

 

[aczlan]

I did a little research on it. The guys doing 4bt swaps are running into this all the time. The statonary type governor is called a "RSV" while the road type governor is called a "RQV". Apparently it is a part of the injection pump and while it's separate, it's also part of the rest of the pump enough to where you have to know what you are doing to swap it out. Do a google search "RSV to RQV swap". Of course they want to go to the road governor, you want to go the other way.

If you go to a site that deals in swapping in Cummins engines, but I think there's one that deals specifically with 4bts for example, you can post a wanted ad and see if anybody is interested in selling or swapping their governor when they're swapping a stationary engine into a road vehicle.

Aaron Z

 

[pmsmechanic]

I was browsing around the internet and saw this picture. The engine a Deutz but I wanted to show the clutch assembly on it. This clutch attachment fits onto any same sized SAE 2 or 3 bell housing pattern. So this could potentially fit onto the bell housing that is pictured in post #108. Notice also that the Deutz bell housing has side mounting bolts holes similar to the Cummins bell housing.

These are a twin disc clutch setup that is an over centering type. There are no springs to hold the discs engaged. Search for a "Rockford" or a "Twin Disc" clutch. If you decide to install a clutch on your Cummins this would be one way to do it. I have seen them in belt applications but I don't know if it would be strong enough for what you want to do.

 

[fitterski]

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I was browsing around the internet and saw this picture. The engine a Deutz but I wanted to show the clutch assembly on it. This clutch attachment fits onto any same sized SAE 2 or 3 bell housing pattern. So this could potentially fit onto the bell housing that is pictured in post #108. Notice also that the Deutz bell housing has side mounting bolts holes similar to the Cummins bell housing.

These are a twin disc clutch setup that is an over centering type. There are no springs to hold the discs engaged. Search for a "Rockford" or a "Twin Disc" clutch. If you decide to install a clutch on your Cummins this would be one way to do it. I have seen them in belt applications but I don't know if it would be strong enough for what you want to do.

As I said my knowledge of engine-adapters is a subzero abyss even on the kelvin scale :laughing: I am slowly learning however, for example these flywheel plates are called "flywheel-housings", and with that covered if I read you right then I might even already have exactly what I would need in such a scenario. It's something I'll have to clarify in due time. Meanwhile I found out that the part # for a housing like the one in your #108 is probably 3925223.

Here a few pix including one I just took and some from 2008 of the side-mounting deutz flywheel housing



Meanwhile I've turned my 6bt with the starter and heard no catastrophic noises. It'll take me another week and a half to have the stand ready for the first a start attempt.

 

[fitterski]

While slowly also continuing the evaluation of a hydraulic solution I noticed that pumps such as (purely for the sake of an example) the Rexroth A4VSG 71 to 180 models which could conceivably play a role, the Volume-Control is by various electrical/hydroelectrical means. I don't see any 'plain-cable' notes. Anyone know how these controls are actually manipulated? I don't think I would want anything other than plain-cable.

https://www.boschrexroth.com/ics/cat/content/assets/im/A4VSG_MainPhoto_RGB.web.jpg

https://md.boschrexroth.com/modules...1AC8A43290.borex-tc&sch=M&id=12598,20,1158534

 

[fitterski]

I did a little research on it. The guys doing 4bt swaps are running into this all the time. The statonary type governor is called a "RSV" while the road type governor is called a "RQV". Apparently it is a part of the injection pump and while it's separate, it's also part of the rest of the pump enough to where you have to know what you are doing to swap it out. Do a google search "RSV to RQV swap". Of course they want to go to the road governor, you want to go the other way.

Me too, I stumbled on this youtube video about the 'governor' in the stock '94 dodge. I never knew they had one, is this something particular to diesels or what? To me a governor always meant to set the speed you want (IF you wanna go that route) and the engine will then maintain so long as it doesn't get stalled out by the load. So anyway my need would be for the classical governor that I had always known about.