Snow Attachments Snow PUMP

fitterski · Feb 19, 2017

pmsmechanic said:
Yes fitterski I got your email.You indicated that you weren't in too much of a rush so I never got to excited about it. I'll answer you back yet.

there is no rush, i just am not familiar with web-hosted forums

Your idea for a 7/16" adaptor will work but you can't put it between the adaptor plate and the engine.

You're right about that! I'm increasingly confident that if needed I can find a flywheel adapter with side mounting,

I just posted the pictures of the various bell housing arrangements so that you and others could see that there are different options when it comes to a Cummins.
There are several different automatics from through the years. Automotive manuals include a Getrag on the 1st gens. Then came the New Process 4500 and 5600. The last one is a Mercedes G-56.

Saw them thanks, don't worry I very carefully examine all such photo or drawing attachments because other than putting a 56 lincoln engine/trans into 32 chev 3-window around 1959-60 i have never really left the stock-configuration track with things automotive and as a result my knowledge in that field is pretty disgraceful.

When i first started kicking this topic around my older son said 'dad get youself a duramax but don't ever pay for the Allison that come with it because they are worthless, worthless because they never fail and there's no demand for used Allisons'.

So the idea of a strong automatic will always appeal to me if it can be tamed without electrics or at least with electrics but without digital or electronics. He BTW just delivered a small plane from Lachute to Saskatoon, took him 3 days.

The adaptor/bellhousing assembly I posted in post #108 is to install an Eaton/Fuller roadranger style transmission behind a Cummins. Actually Allison automatics out of a larger truck could also be installed with the same bellhousing as it has an SAE 2 or 3 flange. I don't remember which. As soon as you have an SAE flange then anything with a corresponding flange can be made to work. Your options then are just about unlimited.

Looked at those too very carefully, does that adaptor with the side mounting provisions have a name? I saw some on industrial(?) ISX engines. Problem is that most images show only one side. Would one of those be usable for any kind of transmission in addition to being perfect for a belt drive REQUIRING a dual rear mount?

fitterski · Feb 19, 2017

fitterski said:
#133 dnw64
The three story big rigs are not really in my budget but that's not the point, I don't want one. Having omne inmy yard would totally ruin the landscape. The retail market is built on hype and underperformance (what else is new). Except fopr two models that I'm keeping eyeballs on most cannot even throw wet snow to the side of the road but most cost several thousand dollars, my budget for the whole project. I can more than cook up what I need, but it takes a lot of prep and research. NOT a problem, what with all the expertise around here :dance1: What I'm after is no bigger than it needs to be, is fast, agile, turnkey, near failsafe, slipper/pajamas/coffee-in-hand while it thrown mailboxes to the next county. Like I said: NOT a problem but it does require a mean streak.

For the sake of completeness... the models I'm keeping eyes on because as a minimum I will learn something useful from them are the Schulte and since I have closely and physically examined it one engineered/made by BerVac. There's also a trio of brothers called Beaulieu in the hills behind The Bic somewhere that my and my father-ion-law visited once many years ago. These guys make abrams tanks

..they showed me a custom made reduction gearbox which alone is like 400 lbs and 5000 dollars. The two notable locally made marks are Normand and Pronovost. None of the above have answered to any emails beyond an initial 'what can we do you for?' And while most come at many thousand dollars they are all also about 2 to 3 times the weight that I was targeting when planning the existing bucket-mount rig.

pmsmechanic · Feb 19, 2017

fitterski said:
When i first started kicking this topic around my older son said 'dad get youself a duramax but don't ever pay for the Allison that come with it because they are worthless, worthless because they never fail and there's no demand for used Allisons'. So the idea of a strong automatic will always appeal to me if it can be tamed without electrics or at least with electrics but without digital or electronics. He BTW just delivered a small plane from Lachute to Saskatoon, took him 3 days.

I wonder if there is a manual valve body available for an Allison 1000. Probably not because they have all kinds of stuff going on inside that'a controlled by the computer. The Allisons I was talking about with an SAE bolt pattern are from highway tractors. Saskatoon is about 6 hours from where I live.

fitterski said:
Looked at those too very carefully, does that adaptor with the side mounting provisions have a name? I saw some on industrial(?) ISX engines. Problem is that most images show only one side. Would one of those be usable for any kind of transmission in addition to being perfect for a belt drive REQUIRING a dual rear mount?

Those adaptors come out of truck like a single axle Freightliner or equivalent. They are readily available on eBay. I paid $600 CAD for the whole setup in post #108. I don't know what they are called. The same adaptor is available for just about any engine as it's a common mounting method in larger trucks. Start looking around for a truck wrecker in your area. I'm sure they either have one ar can get one.

They are available for a cummins with a starter mount on either side and also higher or lower on the block. Just edited to add that if you see a picture of one with a mount provision on one side, there will also be a mount on the other side.

One other thing I've been thinking about is that you are going to run into issues yet with the governor. Basically automotive diesel injection pumps only govern idle and top speed. In between is governed either by the foot feed (throttle pedal) or the cruise control. So if you want the motor to stay at the same speeds under varying loads you are either going to have to install an industrial style injection pump or rig up a cruise control of some sort to control engine rpm under varying loads.

franklin2 · Feb 19, 2017

I have heard of guys using a gas engine from a car to power small sawmills, and they used the cruise control also for a governor.

fitterski · Feb 19, 2017

pmsmechanic said:
One other thing I've been thinking about is that you are going to run into issues yet with the governor. Basically automotive diesel injection pumps only govern idle and top speed. In between is governed either by the foot feed (throttle pedal) or the cruise control. So if you want the motor to stay at the same speeds under varying loads you are either going to have to install an industrial style injection pump or rig up a cruise control of some sort to control engine rpm under varying loads.

Right now the Deutz is directly controlled by a power lever on the pump in turn driven by an electric cylinder controlled from inside the 426. I'd have to spend money and effort to install any kind of governor which i don't really need because this thing is always running 1800-2400 or stalling and I set it manually. This will change with the Cummins and I will be investigating different governing options beginning with governor on/off and etc. beyond that. The top of the food chain in this respect would be a governor flyweight gizmo right on the fan as that could serve just about all possible configuration options but i'm not there yet, and it may involve a radio transmitter or lightbeam sensor for signaling.. things to figure out in due time. Actually i could put the sensor anywhere after the last reduction where the setup might be simpler.

franklin2 · Feb 19, 2017

You need one of those stationary engine setups the other guy was talking about. It bet it has the governed injection pump or whatever it takes to make the engine governed like a tractor. I think this is going to be very important, when the going gets tough you want that engine at full output, and when the load is not that bad you want it governed down so it doesn't over-rev.

fitterski · Feb 22, 2017

franklin2 said:
You need one of those stationary engine setups the other guy was talking about. It bet it has the governed injection pump or whatever it takes to make the engine governed like a tractor. I think this is going to be very important, when the going gets tough you want that engine at full output, and when the load is not that bad you want it governed down so it doesn't over-rev.

Such governors (I presume) are widely available, purely physical ones not being that hard to make from scratch. Put some flyweights on some part that spins and connect them to whatever you want to govern. Old distributors had a form of this for spark advance. There are much more sophisticated electronic/digital ones and injection pressure sensing ones, like for aftermarket diesel rpm indication ..but I don't think I'll be seeking any of those out

franklin2 · Feb 23, 2017

fitterski said:
Such governors (I presume) are widely available, purely physical ones not being that hard to make from scratch. Put some flyweights on some part that spins and connect them to whatever you want to govern. Old distributors had a form of this for spark advance. There are much more sophisticated electronic/digital ones and injection pressure sensing ones, like for aftermarket diesel rpm indication ..but I don't think I'll be seeking any of those out

What I was describing is built into the injection pump. People swapping diesels from tractors into cars and trucks run into this problem in reverse, they need the "road" setup, not the governed tractor or stationary/generator/pump setup. If you stumbled upon one of these cummins stationary setups it would be a slick way to do it, instead of trying to build one. You will find setting up a governor is not as simple as it seems, lots of fiddling with stuff so it will not over react and "hunt" all the time and also not be sluggish and always a day late and a dollar short and your blower is clogged with snow because of it.

Of course if your engine is way oversized, you may be able to just set the throttle and forget it.

pmsmechanic · Feb 24, 2017

This would be another way of adding a governor. I'm pretty sure that this is what one of the previous posters had in mind.

The external governor is above the alternator in the picture. The throttle cable is attached to the governor and then there is a rod from the governor to the carburetor.

This is on a Versatile swather with a Ford 200 engine.